2019-20 (minimum 15 games)

5v5: ice-time/game (pts per 60 min./team rank)…(goals per 60 min./team rank)


1. Jack 17:57 (1.98/2)…(0.91/3)
2. Reinhart 17:07 (2.12/1)…(0.98/2)
3. Olofsson 14:56 (1.70/3)…(0.62/7)
4. Johansson 14:22 (1.50/7)…(0.37/13)
5. Skinner 14:00 (1.52/6)…(1.06/1)


6. Larsson 12:49 (1.18/9)…(0.39/12)
7. Sobotka 12:36 (0.91/14)…(0.30)
8. Vesey 12:28 (1.42/8)…(0.63/6)
9. Okposo 12:04 (1.69/4)…(0.80/4)


10. Sheary 11:40 (1.54/5)…(0.77/5)
11. Gus 11:37 (1.09/13)…(0.62/8)
12. Frolik 11:37 (0.84/15)…(0.00/16)

You have all lost your damn minds. The guy was here since the first Obama term and never hit 20 points. Broads literally just said swapping Larsson for Staal is a net loss. I am all for advanced stats but this has entered the "chimera is a poor man's eichel" territory. Pure insanity.
- jcragcrumple

I'm not in the middle of this one. I just want to see it in your signature. I think it's hilarious.

2019-20 (minimum 15 games)

5v5: ice-time/game (pts per 60 min./team rank)…(goals per 60 min./team rank)


1. Jack 17:57 (1.98/2)…(0.91/3)
2. Reinhart 17:07 (2.12/1)…(0.98/2)
- Michael Pachla

2019-20 (minimum 15 games)

5v5: ice-time/game (pts per 60 min./team rank)…(goals per 60 min./team rank)

1. Jack 17:57 (1.98/2)…(0.91/3)
2. Reinhart 17:07 (2.12/1)…(0.98/2)
3. Olofsson 14:56 (1.70/3)…(0.62/7)
4. Johansson 14:22 (1.50/7)…(0.37/13)
5. Skinner 14:00 (1.52/6)…(1.06/1)


6. Larsson 12:49 (1.18/9)…(0.39/12)
7. Sobotka 12:36 (0.91/14)…(0.30)
8. Vesey 12:28 (1.42/8)…(0.63/6)
9. Okposo 12:04 (1.69/4)…(0.80/4)

10. Sheary 11:40 (1.54/5)…(0.77/5)
11. Gus 11:37 (1.09/13)…(0.62/8)
12. Frolik 11:37 (0.84/15)…(0.00/16)
- Michael Pachla

Where did you get those numbers from?

And Staal and Eichel.

The Sabres defensemen are bad at defense. The Sabres goalies are bad at stopping the puck .

Larsson stopped other teams from getting opportunities in those 15 minutes

Any positive gains Staal is bringing offensively is being offset by losing Larsson and giving it back defensively

The offseason was really cool if you like household names. Not so great if you wanted actual improvements
- sbroads24

I like:
Entertaining hockey
Scoring an average of say 3.25 G / Gm
Rolling 4 lines
Winning
Drafting 31st...soon to be 32nd
Forwards who can play offence and contribute at the two-way game
Defensemen who are good at defence and transition game whi can also jump up as appropriate

I don't like:
Dull hockey of running around not doing anything productive
Forwards who are just horrible at offense
Defensemen who aren't good at defense and the transition game
Goalies who can't stop a puck

I'm not in the middle of this one. I just want to see it in your signature. I think it's hilarious.
- Lunaion

The comparison is not Larsson with Staal.

The comparison is with Eakin.

Staal will and should be compared to what Mojo provided last year.

But yea we get it defence doesn’t matter.

2019-20 (minimum 15 games)

5v5: ice-time/game (pts per 60 min./team rank)…(goals per 60 min./team rank)


1. Jack 17:57 (1.98/2)…(0.91/3)
2. Reinhart 17:07 (2.12/1)…(0.98/2)
3. Olofsson 14:56 (1.70/3)…(0.62/7)
4. Johansson 14:22 (1.50/7)…(0.37/13)
5. Skinner 14:00 (1.52/6)…(1.06/1)


6. Larsson 12:49 (1.18/9)…(0.39/12)
7. Sobotka 12:36 (0.91/14)…(0.30)
8. Vesey 12:28 (1.42/8)…(0.63/6)
9. Okposo 12:04 (1.69/4)…(0.80/4)


10. Sheary 11:40 (1.54/5)…(0.77/5)
11. Gus 11:37 (1.09/13)…(0.62/8)
12. Frolik 11:37 (0.84/15)…(0.00/16)
- Michael Pachla

I looked up the same thing on natural stat trick yesterday, strange that they have significantly different results. For example, they have VO at 1.48 5v5 pts/60 and Okposo at 1.67. Switches the list around quite a bit.

Where did you get those numbers from?
- kingcong39

nhl.com

I looked up the same thing on natural stat trick yesterday, strange that they have significantly different results. For example, they have VO at 1.48 5v5 pts/60 and Okposo at 1.67. Switches the list around quite a bit.
- Lunaion

the original idea for that was to show what ralph was working with last season outside the top line

the original idea for that was to show what ralph was working with last season outside the top line
- Michael Pachla

guess I'm distracting from your point, the difference just surprised me

2019-20 (minimum 15 games)

5v5: ice-time/game (pts per 60 min./team rank)…(goals per 60 min./team rank)


1. Jack 17:57 (1.98/2)…(0.91/3)
2. Reinhart 17:07 (2.12/1)…(0.98/2)

- Michael Pachla

oh my

The comparison is not Larsson with Staal.

The comparison is with Eakin.

Staal will and should be compared to what Mojo provided last year.

But yea we get it defence doesn’t matter.
- Pegullaville

That's an exaggeration and not what is being said.

What is funny is the glorification of:
- Forwards who can't produce actually offence, and similarly
- Defencemen who can't actually defend and turn the puck over again and again due to horrible transition games.

So, fans resort to glorify F's who are 1 dimensional in puck possession but who produce zero with all that time...and to make up for lack of offensive production they seek out 1 dimensional Dmen who have offensive flair.

Give me guys like Cozens and Quinn who can play both ends, and guys like Johnson who are good defensively and transition the game north quickly.

That is more accurate to what is being said.

Edit: should have said IMO, of course.

That's an exaggeration and not what is being said.

What is funny is the glorification of:
- Forwards who can't produce actually offence, and similarly
- Defencemen who can't actually defend and turn the puck over again and again due to horrible transition games.

So, fans resort to glorify F's who are 1 dimensional in puck possession but who produce zero with all that time...and to make up for lack of offensive production they seek out 1 dimensional Dmen who have offensive flair.

Give me guys like Cozens and Quinn who can play both ends, and guys like Johnson who are good defensively and transition the game north quickly.

That is more accurate to what is being said.
- IonSabres

Larsson goes out on the ice and McDavid doesn’t score.

That’s good enough for me.

Our other 3 lines scoring on their other 3 lines is what is important

Larsson goes out on the ice and McDavid doesn’t score.

That’s good enough for me.

Our other 3 lines scoring on their other 3 lines is what is important
- Pegullaville

mcdavid only had 4 more even strength points then eichel last season

mcdavid only had 4 more even strength points then eichel last season
- homiedclown

Right and our 3rd and 4th lines were useless last year.

The Larsson line was essentially a 2nd line by default last year because of how useless those other two lines were for the most part.

Vegas is one of the best teams in the NHL and the Carrier-Nosek-Reaves line plays a decent chunk of minutes a night.

No reason the Sabres had to pay Eakin more than Larsson to be worse then he is. Soderberg got less. Wennberg got less.

That's an exaggeration and not what is being said.

What is funny is the glorification of:
- Forwards who can't produce actually offence, and similarly
- Defencemen who can't actually defend and turn the puck over again and again due to horrible transition games.

So, fans resort to glorify F's who are 1 dimensional in puck possession but who produce zero with all that time...and to make up for lack of offensive production they seek out 1 dimensional Dmen who have offensive flair.

Give me guys like Cozens and Quinn who can play both ends, and guys like Johnson who are good defensively and transition the game north quickly.

That is more accurate to what is being said.

Edit: should have said IMO, of course.
- IonSabres

I have never seen devotion by so many to a 1-dimensional player imo of course. He's a folk hero. Never seen anything like it. He didn't even hit or fight or win faceoffs or excel on the PK. He wasn't fun to watch. There is (imo) literally nothing remarkable about this player except for two lines on a graph which has led to an unbelievably strange cult following

Right and our 3rd and 4th lines were useless last year.

.
- Pegullaville

part of that was on ralph


he never tried reinhart at center

he never gave asplund a shot in the middle 6

he put sobotka on the "second" line

he never tried casey between olofsson or skinner and player y


he never flipped skinner and olofsson and tried olofsson with asplund (they had great chemistry in rochester)


ralph gets some blame IMO

Anybody got an insight as to what girardi brings to the table?

Anybody got an insight as to what girardi brings to the table?
- IndianaSabresFan

ask garth, he claims to be a "close" friend

part of that was on ralph


he never tried reinhart at center

he never gave asplund a shot in the middle 6

he put sobotka on the "second" line

he never tried casey between olofsson or skinner and player y


he never flipped skinner and olofsson and tried olofsson with asplund (they had great chemistry in rochester)


ralph gets some blame IMO
- homiedclown

I don’t disagree.

All I’m saying is that having a line you can depend on to flip the ice and not get scored on that plays 10 minutes a night is a positive.

If Larry put up 15 more points but that line gave up an additional 20 goals would that make everyone sleep better at night ?

I don’t see the net difference

I looked up the same thing on natural stat trick yesterday, strange that they have significantly different results. For example, they have VO at 1.48 5v5 pts/60 and Okposo at 1.67. Switches the list around quite a bit.
- Lunaion

I could be wrong, but I believe Natural Stat Trick includes empty net situations in their 5v5 and even strength numbers.

Anybody got an insight as to what girardi brings to the table?
- IndianaSabresFan

Leadership, will to win, put his body on the line every game, like Weber did. I think he has a thing or two to teach the players. Say what you want about MFE, but I think he's the kind of guy who knows how to find guys that can teach the game well.

Leadership, will to win, put his body on the line every game, like Weber did. I think he has a thing or two to teach the players. Say what you want about MFE, but I think he's the kind of guy who knows how to find guys that can teach the game well.
- TheSabresTaco

Undrafted player who carved out a pretty solid career. He probably knows a thing or two about development

Right and our 3rd and 4th lines were useless last year.

The Larsson line was essentially a 2nd line by default last year because of how useless those other two lines were for the most part.

Vegas is one of the best teams in the NHL and the Carrier-Nosek-Reaves line plays a decent chunk of minutes a night.

No reason the Sabres had to pay Eakin more than Larsson to be worse then he is. Soderberg got less. Wennberg got less.
- Pegullaville

They didn't sign Eakin to replace Larsson's defensive play. The resigned Lazar, have Asplund on the bubble and gave a PTO for Sheahan ... those are Larssons replacements.

Eakin , if deployed properly plays the 3rd line for, oddly enough, tertiary scorning.

Let's not move the goal posts all over the field in this discussion also.

They didn't sign Eakin to replace Larsson's defensive play. The resigned Lazar, have Asplund on the bubble and gave a PTO for Sheahan ... those are Larssons replacements.

Eakin , if deployed properly plays the 3rd line for, oddly enough, tertiary scorning.

Let's not move the goal posts all over the field in this discussion also.
- IonSabres

Right, and I would assume the 3rd line will still get a ton of d-zone starts and d-zone usage unless they are going to put that responsibility on on the Eichel line so Eakin can play sheltered minutes ?

Skinner and Staal should get heavily o-zone sheltered minutes.