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Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Dec 12 @ 12:20 PM ET
A lot of mocks moved him up in their final mock drafts because he started getting buzz as a top 10 pick.

I just pulled up one from two weeks before the draft and he was mocked 14th

He was almost universally considered a mid first rounder until a few days before the draft

IMO he’s closer to Peterka who was a steal at 34 than he is Rossi who I think is a top 5 prospect

- sbroads24


Bob mckenzies final prospect ranking had him as the 10th best player in this years draft.

NHL.com had Quinn at 9th best player at mid season and 7th best final player ranking
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:22 PM ET
Bob mckenzies final prospect ranking had him as the 10th best player in this years draft.
- Sabretooth9

Craig Button had him 6th.

But then a bunch of others had him 10,16,20,23.

I posted an article on here a few weeks ago that cited where he was ranked by 6 or 7 sources
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:22 PM ET
Figures.
- IonSabres


Absolutely does.
Safety is- & should be- the top priority
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:23 PM ET
Bob mckenzies final prospect ranking had him as the 10th best player in this years draft.

NHL.com had Quinn at 9th best player at mid season and 7th best final player ranking

- Sabretooth9


Only the sources Sbroads lists matters though
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Dec 12 @ 12:23 PM ET
Craig Button had him 6th.

But then a bunch of others had him 10,16,20,23.

I posted an article on here a few weeks ago that cited where he was ranked by 6 or 7 sources

- sbroads24


Bobs list holds more water based on where he gets his information from
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:26 PM ET
Bobs list holds more water based on where he gets his information from
- Sabretooth9


Regarding who he is hearing is interested in drafting the player, yes, but not regarding how good the player is as a prospect.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:29 PM ET
Bobs list holds more water based on where he gets his information from
- Sabretooth9

Even if that’s true.

10 is not 8, and Rossi was ranked 7th in his final rankings

They reached. It’s fine. He will probably be good, but there are very, very few people who thought he was at or better than the 8th prospect
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 12 @ 12:29 PM ET
A lot of mocks moved him up in their final mock drafts because he started getting buzz as a top 10 pick.

I just pulled up one from two weeks before the draft and he was mocked 14th

He was almost universally considered a mid first rounder until a few days before the draft

IMO he’s closer to Peterka who was a steal at 34 than he is Rossi who I think is a top 5 prospect

- sbroads24


Ya, I looked st a mock that had him at 11. 11 vs 8, is it really that big? I don't think so by any means. Furthermore, it depends on how Analysts and Scouts weight certain elements...seems the Sabres under Kevyn Krueger gave more emphasis to the Character type elements than those in the past have...so somebody like Quinn who ranks high in those elements would rise up their board.
Are they right? Only time will tell.
This comes from a guy who was dancing on the floor when Rossi fell into their laps.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 12 @ 12:30 PM ET
Absolutely does.
Safety is- & should be- the top priority

- jdfitz77


Yawn.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:31 PM ET
A lot of mocks moved him up in their final mock drafts because he started getting buzz as a top 10 pick.

I just pulled up one from two weeks before the draft and he was mocked 14th

He was almost universally considered a mid first rounder until a few days before the draft

IMO he’s closer to Peterka who was a steal at 34 than he is Rossi who I think is a top 5 prospect

- sbroads24


How many of Rossi’s games did u watch?
How many of Quinn’s?

Or are u just a YouTube highlights scout?
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 12 @ 12:32 PM ET
Bobs list holds more water based on where he gets his information from
- Sabretooth9


Quinn was over drafted by 2 or 3 spots.

Adams felt he was a better prospect then Rossi, Perfetti, Lundell. I respectfully disagree but I will say that he definitely fills a role that was lacking in our prospect pipeline and I can see why Sabres management thought the same. The Quinn selection says a lot about what the organization thinks about Cozens grabbing that 2C spot as well.

It would be nice though if a Sabres GM could make a better draft selection then a random Canadian with a hockeybuzz account for once and I’d be more then happy to be mocked on this board for the next 10 years if Quinn ends up being a better pro then Rossi/Lundell whom would have been my 2 preferences at that spot
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:33 PM ET
Yawn.
- IonSabres


No use in b!tching about health & safety protocols that are put in place
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:37 PM ET
Quinn was over drafted by 2 or 3 spots.

Adams felt he was a better prospect then Rossi, Perfetti, Lundell. I respectfully disagree but I will say that he definitely fills a role that was lacking in our prospect pipeline and I can see why Sabres management thought the same. The Quinn selection says a lot about what the organization thinks about Cozens grabbing that 2C spot as well.

It would be nice though if a Sabres GM could make a better draft selection then a random Canadian with a hockeybuzz account for once though and I’d be more then happy to be mocked on this board for the next 10 years if Quinn ends up being a better pro then Rossi/Lundell whom would have been my 2 preferences at that spot

- Pegullaville

I’m just not sure there’s any argument for Quinn over Lundell or Rossi. And it’s hard to make an argument Perfetti wasn’t clearly better as a prospect

It is what it is
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:40 PM ET
I’m just not sure there’s any argument for Quinn over Lundell or Rossi. And it’s hard to make an argument Perfetti wasn’t clearly better as a prospect

It is what it is

- sbroads24


Rossi was higher ranked
Almost all of us wanted him instead
But even YOU “like” Quinn...
so why are u STILL dwelling on this pick?
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 12 @ 12:48 PM ET
Quinn was over drafted by 2 or 3 spots.

Adams felt he was a better prospect then Rossi, Perfetti, Lundell. I respectfully disagree but I will say that he definitely fills a role that was lacking in our prospect pipeline and I can see why Sabres management thought the same. The Quinn selection says a lot about what the organization thinks about Cozens grabbing that 2C spot as well.

It would be nice though if a Sabres GM could make a better draft selection then a random Canadian with a hockeybuzz account for once though and I’d be more then happy to be mocked on this board for the next 10 years if Quinn ends up being a better pro then Rossi/Lundell whom would have been my 2 preferences at that spot

- Pegullaville


Maybe they did.

The previous regimes placed heavier weighting on physical skills as evidenced by picks in similar draft positions in Nylander and Mitts. That hasn't worked out so well.

Kevyn Krueger stated they want guys with strong Character Traits and increased the weighting of those. Honestly, it isn't much different than what the Bill's did in selecting their QB...the guy you have argued is Elite ( to which I'm almost there as well). If that same type of relentless drive is what they are seeking, I'm all for it...and let's not sidetrack this to say it is one or the other, rather just what I saidweighting those higher thereby changing your internet rankings.

Pick a guy at 8 who others rank at 10 isn't a reach at all in my book...maybe if he was consistently ranked at 18 or 20..but in fact he wasn't.

We shall see. I think you have preordained Adam's as a loser GM and you are finding weak tea as evidence to fit that narrative. The Jury is out and wont be known for years.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 12 @ 12:50 PM ET
Rossi was higher ranked
Almost all of us wanted him instead
But even YOU “like” Quinn...
so why are u STILL dwelling on this pick?

- jdfitz77


Same reason I cried about Reinhart over Draisatil for years.

We are all die hard fans that want to see Jack Eichel lift the Stanley Cup over his head one day.

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Dec 12 @ 12:52 PM ET
Same reason I cried about Reinhart over Draisatil for years.

We are all die hard fans that want to see Jack Eichel lift the Stanley Cup over his head one day.

- Pegullaville


No ones even arguing against u guys though
It’s pointless complaining that we all just need to accept & move on
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 12 @ 12:53 PM ET
Maybe they did.

The previous regimes placed heavier weighting on physical skills as evidenced by picks in similar draft positions in Nylander and Mitts. That hasn't worked out so well.

Kevyn Krueger stated they want guys with strong Character Traits and increased the weighting of those. Honestly, it isn't much different than what the Bill's did in selecting their QB...the guy you have argued is Elite ( to which I'm almost there as well). If that same type of relentless drive is what they are seeking, I'm all for it...and let's not sidetrack this to say it is one or the other, rather just what I saidweighting those higher thereby changing your internet rankings.

Pick a guy at 8 who others rank at 10 isn't a reach at all in my book...maybe if he was consistently ranked at 18 or 20..but in fact he wasn't.

We shall see. I think you have preordained Adam's as a loser GM and you are finding weak tea as evidence to fit that narrative. The Jury is out and wont be known for years.

- IonSabres

If this was the consensus ranking I’d agree.

His average ranking was 14/15th across a lot of different draft sources

https://thehockeywriters....l-draft-prospect-profile/

Shoots: Right

Position: Right wing

NHL Draft Eligibility: 2020 first-year eligible

Rankings

NHL Central Scouting: 9th (Among NA skaters)
Bob McKenzie, TSN: 19th
HockeyProspect.com: 11th
ISS: 10th
McKeen’s Hockey: 16th
Future Considerations: 23rd
The Hockey Writers (Bell): 19th

This was in June. He rose around the draft after not playing any games.

He was a reach.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Dec 12 @ 12:55 PM ET
No use in b!tching about health & safety protocols that are put in place
- jdfitz77


Context. CONTEXT.
It is what separates Apes from Man.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Dec 12 @ 1:00 PM ET
Maybe they did.

The previous regimes placed heavier weighting on physical skills as evidenced by picks in similar draft positions in Nylander and Mitts. That hasn't worked out so well.

Kevyn Krueger stated they want guys with strong Character Traits and increased the weighting of those. Honestly, it isn't much different than what the Bill's did in selecting their QB...the guy you have argued is Elite ( to which I'm almost there as well). If that same type of relentless drive is what they are seeking, I'm all for it...and let's not sidetrack this to say it is one or the other, rather just what I saidweighting those higher thereby changing your internet rankings.

Pick a guy at 8 who others rank at 10 isn't a reach at all in my book...maybe if he was consistently ranked at 18 or 20..but in fact he wasn't.

We shall see. I think you have preordained Adam's as a loser GM and you are finding weak tea as evidence to fit that narrative. The Jury is out and wont be known for years.

- IonSabres


Now here’s Rossi. A true consensus top 10

2019-20 Team: Ottawa 67s (#23)
Date of Birth: September 23, 2001
Place of Birth: Feldkirch, AUT
Ht: 5’9” Wt: 179 lbs
Shoots: Left
Position: Center/Wing
NHL Draft Eligibility: 2020 first-year eligible

Rankings

NHL Central Scouting: 5th (among NA Skaters)
Future Considerations: 8th
THW Josh Bell’s Rankings: 5th
THW Andrew Forbes’ March Rankings: 7th
THW Larry Fisher’s March Rankings: 8th
ISS: 7th
Hockey Prospect: 8th
Sportsnet: 5th
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 12 @ 1:00 PM ET
Not following.
Staal was acquired specifically for 2C for secondary scoring with Skinner, and to mentor Cozens on his wing.
I'd fall over if Staal is relegated elsewhere.

- IonSabres

if cozens is ready for second line center, it will be his


then the question is, do they move staal to rw, where he has played before or third line center

cozen has more upside then an aging staal if ready

just like quinn has more upside then rieder, if ready
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 12 @ 1:02 PM ET
Maybe they did.

The previous regimes placed heavier weighting on physical skills as evidenced by picks in similar draft positions in Nylander and Mitts. That hasn't worked out so well.

Kevyn Krueger stated they want guys with strong Character Traits and increased the weighting of those. Honestly, it isn't much different than what the Bill's did in selecting their QB...the guy you have argued is Elite ( to which I'm almost there as well). If that same type of relentless drive is what they are seeking, I'm all for it...and let's not sidetrack this to say it is one or the other, rather just what I saidweighting those higher thereby changing your internet rankings.

Pick a guy at 8 who others rank at 10 isn't a reach at all in my book...maybe if he was consistently ranked at 18 or 20..but in fact he wasn't.

We shall see. I think you have preordained Adam's as a loser GM and you are finding weak tea as evidence to fit that narrative. The Jury is out and wont be known for years.

- IonSabres


Tough to find a better character guy in last years draft than Marco Rossi with all due respect.

Takes a lot of guts to move to Canada from
Austria and try to make the NHL as a 5’9 forward whom had been told his entire life he would never make it.

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 12 @ 1:03 PM ET


Let’s see what the kid looks like in Camp first

- jdfitz77

this is what I see will be different this year


in years past, some guys had no shot to make the big club no matter how well they did

signing hall pushes all the chips to the center of the table and if certain kids are ready, they will get the minutes

cozens is a legit second line center with upside

quinn has potential right now to score more goals in a shortened season then a lot of the projected bottom half of the roster
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Dec 12 @ 1:06 PM ET
with the quinn pick, I think they were looking at 2 boxes to be checked


1. who is going to score the most goals in the nhl
2. who is most likely going to contribute sooner rather then later


just a hunch and quinn checks both boxes
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Dec 12 @ 1:09 PM ET
with the quinn pick, I think they were looking at 2 boxes to be checked


1. who is going to score the most goals in the nhl
2. who is most likely going to contribute sooner rather then later


just a hunch and quinn checks both boxes

- homiedclown


The Sabres had a need for a goal scoring winger.

With Eichel and Cozens as play driving center man and Quinn being a respectable 200 foot winger with the goal scoring acumen i can definitely see the fit.

Time will tell if selecting for need/fit is better then selecting the BPA.
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