Which sucks, because his shot is actually pretty good. He just makes decisions so slowly, he runs out of space, and has to waffle it from the line.
He’d be best served in Laine’s spot on unit 2. Let him use his mobility to his advantage, rather than being the fixed point at the top of the umbrella
- Rexypoo

It's not a fair comparison, but the reality is that Pionk is not Buff. Buff was a serious threat to score every time he wound up to shoot.

This is correct.

Pionk at 3mil? Sign him again until he’s like 32. He’s got value as a player, and is a perfect chaotic 4/5 on a contender, especially with the firepower we have up front opening up ice for him to attack on the cycle.

Pionk at 6mil? Walk away.
- Rexypoo

Just like Trouba at 8 mil, walk away. Dodged that cap bullet

It's not a fair comparison, but the reality is that Pionk is not Buff. Buff was a serious threat to score every time he wound up to shoot.
- bennythehat

Buff also knew to get that pass packaged and out the door to Laine as fast as possible on the Powerplay.
Pionk is just too slow on the draw to be the feeder

Buff also knew to get that pass packaged and out the door to Laine as fast as possible on the Powerplay.
Pionk is just too slow on the draw to be the feeder
- Rexypoo

And yet Pionk had more power play points last year than ANY Winnipeg Jet 2.0 defenceman ever!!!!

And yet Pionk had more power play points last year than ANY Winnipeg Jet 2.0 defenceman ever!!!!
- Ross77

Okay? And?
Let’s remember that the Jets never really had a proper powerplay until 17-18, and for that next two years, everything ran through Wheeler.
Now that Wheeler has lost his shiftiness, and Buff no longer needs to be covered by the PK, Pionk had a lot more time and space than anyone else would have when the team was still a contender. Luck also plays a role. I doubt his production is sustainable.

Before Laine, we didn’t have a proper trigger man until you go back to the days of Enstrom feeding Kovalchuk.

https://twitter.com/tony_.../1331976639102603264?s=21

Tony coming in hot with some Laine defensive play commentary

https://twitter.com/tony_.../1331976639102603264?s=21

Tony coming in hot with some Laine defensive play commentary
- Rexypoo

it shows Laine is not good defensively. spinning it by comparing him to others on our team is useless and makes no sense, its like saying my kid is ugly but not as ugly as that kid.
with that said, I think Laine has a HUGE year this year

Okay? And?
Let’s remember that the Jets never really had a proper powerplay until 17-18, and for that next two years, everything ran through Wheeler.
Now that Wheeler has lost his shiftiness, and Buff no longer needs to be covered by the PK, Pionk had a lot more time and space than anyone else would have when the team was still a contender. Luck also plays a role. I doubt his production is sustainable.

Before Laine, we didn’t have a proper trigger man until you go back to the days of Enstrom feeding Kovalchuk.
- Rexypoo

you sure like to pick and choose what facts and results you value.

David Pagnotta and Frank Seraveli both now saying Laine has asked for a trade for over a year. He played with 55 more than any other center last year so lets stop with its because who he plays with. he just wants out.

the good news is Kane asked for a trade for over 2 years before Chevy got what he wanted, he will do the same with Laine, no rush

David Pagnotta and Frank Seraveli both now saying Laine has asked for a trade for over a year. He played with 55 more than any other center last year so lets stop with its because who he plays with. he just wants out.

the good news is Kane asked for a trade for over 2 years before Chevy got what he wanted, he will do the same with Laine, no rush
- Ross77

Yes, they are kind of saying that Laine wants out, or the team wants him out (not sure which one, maybe both) not next year - but THIS one.

Hello Florida, CBS, Philly - or long-shots NYR NYI and NJ!

you sure like to pick and choose what facts and results you value.
- Ross77

I don’t think “total points” is a worthwhile result on a one year sample when there’s so many visible issues with the process

it shows Laine is not good defensively. spinning it by comparing him to others on our team is useless and makes no sense, its like saying my kid is ugly but not as ugly as that kid.
with that said, I think Laine has a HUGE year this year
- Ross77

It shows he’s not actually a problem on his line. The average star forward in the NHL is categorically bad defensively, but overpowers that impact by a substantial margin.

I don’t think “total points” is a worthwhile result on a one year sample when there’s so many visible issues with the process
- Rexypoo

and I don't think shots for or against is because its useless in predicting anything. agree to disagree on some things I guess

It shows he’s not actually a problem on his line. The average star forward in the NHL is categorically bad defensively, but overpowers that impact by a substantial margin.
- Rexypoo

then they are not a star!!!!

David Pagnotta and Frank Seraveli both now saying Laine has asked for a trade for over a year. He played with 55 more than any other center last year so lets stop with its because who he plays with. he just wants out.

the good news is Kane asked for a trade for over 2 years before Chevy got what he wanted, he will do the same with Laine, no rush
- Ross77

I heard those same interviews and neither guy said that.

I think the Eakin trade clinched it for Laine, after that he knew where he stood with the organization.

I heard those same interviews and neither guy said that.

I think the Eakin trade clinched it for Laine, after that he knew where he stood with the organization.
- JetFuel

In my opinion it seems the Jets lack of development at the Center position has led to many players having ruffled feathers in the Jets locker room.

One team that got me thinking about drafting and developing centres is Columbus. Since 2010, that team has been able to draft three #1 centres and not all in the first round. Ryan Johansen, William Karlsson and Pierre Luc Dubois. Though Johansen and Karlsson no longer play for them, they were drafted by Columbus nonetheless.

In my opinion it seems the Jets lack of development at the Center position has led to many players having ruffled feathers in the Jets locker room.

One team that got me thinking about drafting and developing centres is Columbus. Since 2010, that team has been able to draft three #1 centres and not all in the first round. Ryan Johansen, William Karlsson and Pierre Luc Dubois. Though Johansen and Karlsson no longer play for them, they were drafted by Columbus nonetheless.
- TheUltimateJet

It’s curious why they haven’t been able to get PLD signed yet? They have over 9 mil in space. Let’s hope maybe he’s part of Laine deal.

Gourde is a no-brainer, but so is Cirelli.
Anyone else doesn’t interest me. We don’t need help on D, we need to let the kids play.
We need help at forward.
- Rexypoo

Rexy, I want to pop a bottle of fine champagne! We agree so rarely, but this is one of those times! I would love to see what the kids can do on the back-end. Offensive D are very over-rated, and each team only needs one. The rest just need to get the job done in their own zone. I really need to see Niku given a fair chance with a decent partner. Samberg and Heinola show a ton of promise as well.

What should be expected of Forbert. At first I wasn't a fan of this addition, but many people seem to be a fan of the guy. I haven't seen enough of him to make a fair judgement.

Just like Trouba at 8 mil, walk away. Dodged that cap bullet
- Ross77

I was never a fan of Trouba, and that trade could not have worked out any better!!!! Well, I guess Chevy could have demanded 2020's first round selection instead of 2019's......

then they are not a star!!!!
- Ross77

Why don’t we just look at the top point getters? Players who are, at best, below average defensively:
- Leon Draisaitl
- Connor McDavid
- Patrick Kane
- Jonathan Huberdeau
- John Carlson
- Kyle Connor
- Mark Scheifele
- Alex Ovechkin

That’s just in the first 25. A bunch more just tread water, and then you have a guy like Roman Josi who was bad for a while before a sudden shutdown year

Rexy, I want to pop a bottle of fine champagne! We agree so rarely, but this is one of those times! I would love to see what the kids can do on the back-end. Offensive D are very over-rated, and each team only needs one. The rest just need to get the job done in their own zone. I really need to see Niku given a fair chance with a decent partner. Samberg and Heinola show a ton of promise as well.

What should be expected of Forbert. At first I wasn't a fan of this addition, but many people seem to be a fan of the guy. I haven't seen enough of him to make a fair judgement.
- bikeguy99

I’m not sure we actually agree here. The reason I want Heinola, Samberg, and hopefully Niku to get full time jobs in the top 6 next season is because our biggest weakness as a team is offence from the back end.
We have no transition game whatsoever, and it’s costing our top players. We are literally desperate for offensive D.

As for Forbort, he’s a solid 5/6 defenceman. Strong defence, 0 offence.

Why don’t we just look at the top point getters? Players who are, at best, below average defensively:
- Leon Draisaitl
- Connor McDavid
- Patrick Kane
- Jonathan Huberdeau
- John Carlson
- Kyle Connor
- Mark Scheifele
- Alex Ovechkin

That’s just in the first 25. A bunch more just tread water, and then you have a guy like Roman Josi who was bad for a while before a sudden shutdown year
- Rexypoo

You are changing your words again. My point was when you said categorely bad defence. Now you are saying below average. Very different.

In my opinion it seems the Jets lack of development at the Center position has led to many players having ruffled feathers in the Jets locker room.

One team that got me thinking about drafting and developing centres is Columbus. Since 2010, that team has been able to draft three #1 centres and not all in the first round. Ryan Johansen, William Karlsson and Pierre Luc Dubois. Though Johansen and Karlsson no longer play for them, they were drafted by Columbus nonetheless.
- TheUltimateJet

Idk if it's that, I think the majority of the "ruffled feathers" can be traced back to Wheeler who's a pr*ck from what I've heard and Maurice's preferential treatment of certain guys, honestly think it's less about the city, that's just an easy excuse/crutch that many want to go back to constantly.

Gourde is a no-brainer, but so is Cirelli.
Anyone else doesn’t interest me. We don’t need help on D, we need to let the kids play.
We need help at forward.
- Rexypoo

Yet in the previous thread, you rated the Jets D as bottom two in the NHL. Your blather remains highly inconsistent and continually defies logic.

Jets have excellent top-six forwards with talent that few NHL teams can match. Perfetti also on the way. Our Defense is in my opinion is middle of the pack. It's where the improvement is needed until Henoila and Sanberg and maybe Niku are more ready.

Yet in the previous thread, you rated the Jets D as bottom two in the NHL. Your blather remains highly inconsistent and continually defies logic.

Jets have excellent top-six forwards with talent that few NHL teams can match. Perfetti also on the way. Our Defense is in my opinion is middle of the pack. It's where the improvement is needed until Henoila and Sanberg and maybe Niku are more ready.
- jetsnation

Speaking of Perfetti, what do you make of Team Canada putting him on the wing?

Somewhere Paul Maurice is loving that decision!