Someone in a bureaucratic position will have to, and I suppose their methodology will be to first determine how to reduce mortality in the least amount of time, and then how to most benefit the economy in the least amount of time
- TheMussel

Sounds like a pretty good plan, actually.

First of all, the moustache is an essential worker. Let’s not get ridiculous.

Secondly, the priority is on protecting people from dying before protecting people from getting bored.

There’s also a long line of vulnerable people and people performing essential services that have to work and who are getting sick in big numbers (agriculture, meat packing, trucking, sanitation, besides all the obvious health and police).
- Canada Cup

Jesus. Here’s my point. There are people who face serious health risks who need to be vaccinated before those in sports.

There are people who are vulnerable because they perform essential services who need to be vaccinated before those in sports.

They get vaccinated before those in sports. And for lots of other people music, theatre, art is just as important, a point you dismiss because I add mime.

Is anyone on this thread trying to say its at the top?

I see a lot saying how it doesn't matter at all and it is just entertainment, those are the ones I am referring to.

It is only entertainment to most on here, unfortunately for many many others it is a lot more than that.

"We’re on here entertaining ourselves without hockey, therefore hockey isn’t needed."

"brain numbing passive entertainment they provide."

Again, just because something doesn't effect you directly, doesn't mean its not effecting others. I have friends in the sports industry struggling.
- Santo_44

1) Passive entertainment - yes. this is a fact. sitting and watching someone else do something is a passive form of entertainment.

2) brain-numbing. Hockey is one of few sports like rugby that is probably less this.

the nfl is probably the most extreme version of it. watching 4 replies of an incomplete pass on 2nd down shortly followed by a meaningless punt and a series of commercials is brain numbing. repeat countless times with a beer soaked brain with 15 minutes of actual live plays over 3.5 to 4 hours.

saying that most pro sports watched are brain numbing is extremely accurate.

Is anyone on this thread trying to say its at the top?

I see a lot saying how it doesn't matter at all and it is just entertainment, those are the ones I am referring to.

It is only entertainment to most on here, unfortunately for many many others it is a lot more than that.

"We’re on here entertaining ourselves without hockey, therefore hockey isn’t needed."

"brain numbing passive entertainment they provide."

Again, just because something doesn't effect you directly, doesn't mean its not effecting others. I have friends in the sports industry struggling.
- Santo_44

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ok

Jesus. Here’s my point. There are people who face serious health risks who need to be vaccinated before those in sports.

There are people who are vulnerable because they perform essential services who need to be vaccinated before those in sports.

They get vaccinated before those in sports. And for lots of other people music, theatre, art is just as important, a point you dismiss because I add mime.
- Canada Cup

I have two relatives who will die if they get COVID.

One is the mother to 4 kids.

Martin Marincin shouldn't be ahead of them in line.

1) Passive entertainment - yes. this is a fact. sitting and watching someone else do something is a passive form of entertainment.

2) brain-numbing. Hockey is one of few sports like rugby that is probably less this.

the nfl is probably the most extreme version of it. watching 4 replies of an incomplete pass on 2nd down shortly followed by a meaningless punt and a series of commercials is brain numbing. repeat countless times with a beer soaked brain with 15 minutes of actual live plays over 3.5 to 4 hours.

saying that most pro sports watched are brain numbing is extremely accurate.
- Tumbleweed

Basically

sports go beyond this, far far beyond this.

But again, its great that that's what it is to you. I am happy for you.

I have two relatives who will die if they get COVID.

One is the mother to 4 kids.

Martin Marincin shouldn't be ahead of them in line.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'd like to see who is saying they shouldnt?

All I see is a small handful of people dismissing sports because of what it is to them.

I dont see anyone arguing against your point here.

Maybe in Eks thread but not here.

Someone in a bureaucratic position will have to, and I suppose their methodology will be to first determine how to reduce mortality in the least amount of time, and then how to most benefit the economy in the least amount of time
- TheMussel

I doubt the economic part of the equation will come into it. It’s a public health issue and public health criteria will drive the decisions. Jobs will only be a factor in looking at people who are performing essential services - those that keep us safe, that feed and move our poop away.

Financial impact isn't the only metric I was trying to relate to. Sports is woven into the fabric of our culture like few other enterprises. The externalities are not just financial - they are emotional, psychological, and social in nature. People come together for these kinds of things and there is a financial and cultural impact that is most definitely felt.

This isn't about privileging "million dollar athletes" over "regular" folk but you are certainly allowed your reductive take. Not every athlete is playing in top tier leagues professionally or making millions of dollars.

You haven't missed sports and yet here you are in a (frank)ing sports forum conversing with sports fans. Irony.

Look, I'm not suggesting that sports players should be higher on the vaccine list than those who are health care workers, are immuno-compromised, or in positions where they can spread the virus far more than "regular" public types. Not at all.

What I am suggesting is that there aren't many people who are even playing professional sports, it'd be a drop in the bucket, and the positive externalities are much more impactful than you can imagine.
- mjones242

Actually that isnt irony...considering most topics on here arent sports related.
People coming together is the problem right now.

my kids being in school and playing sports are far ahead of professional sports and the brain numbing passive entertainment they provide.

vaccines should be made available to high risk people first and foremost. if most people over 65 choose to get vaccinated deaths will drop dramatically. once that's done, the vaccine should be made available to others who want it.
- Tumbleweed

Agreed.

Sure. And I'm all for providing the vaccine to those who are in and provide essential services above all others.

What I'm saying is: those hockey players should be well the (frank) ahead of the line than me and probably you.

That "boredom" you flippantly dismiss is pretty (frank)ing impactful.
- mjones242

If you're bored cause there is no sports to watch and you need to be entertained by sports then your life was already pretty boring to begin with.
Now, if youre bored cause you cannot play sports or your kids cannot play sports then yes, would love to get that back to normal...which would require the public to get vaccinated if they choose.
But no athlete should take priority over anyone.

I'd like to see who is saying they shouldnt?

All I see is a small handful of people dismissing sports because of what it is to them.

I dont see anyone arguing against your point here.

Maybe in Eks thread but not here.
- Santo_44

I really am curious how you equate someone taking a position on where sports should rank on getting Covid vaccines with dismissing sports.

Brains are wondrous and mystifying machines.

I have two relatives who will die if they get COVID.

One is the mother to 4 kids.

Martin Marincin shouldn't be ahead of them in line.
- Atomic Wedgie

But how entertaining is the mother to 4 kids.....cause marincin apparently provides required entertainment

I really am curious how you equate someone taking a position on where sports should rank on getting Covid vaccines with dismissing sports.

Brains are wondrous and mystifying machines.
- Canada Cup

I am not ranking them.

I am pointing out your insensitivity and lack of compassion.

I am happy for you that you don’t think the world needs sports because you have found other ways to keep yourself busy on a hockey blog site. We don’t need sports now because CC is happy. Yay.

Basically

sports go beyond this, far far beyond this.

But again, its great that that's what it is to you. I am happy for you.
- Santo_44

it's a no-brainier if i had to choose between my kid playing and watching hockey; or any sport/activity for that matter.

If you're bored cause there is no sports to watch and you need to be entertained by sports then your life was already pretty boring to begin with.
Now, if youre bored cause you cannot play sports or your kids cannot play sports then yes, would love to get that back to normal...which would require the public to get vaccinated if they choose.
But no athlete should take priority over anyone.
- Fakepartofme

I'd like to see who is saying they shouldnt?

All I see is a small handful of people dismissing sports because of what it is to them.

I dont see anyone arguing against your point here.

Maybe in Eks thread but not here.
- Santo_44

Umm no one is dismissing sports.
The initial point was mj thought athletes should be higher on the priority list than the public
- well himself (after health care workers and the compromised)
The counter point was, no they should be at the same level of priority (athletes and public)

No one is dismissing sports.

I did say i havent missed it yet, but ive been really busy with renos and life stuff.

Jesus. Here’s my point. There are people who face serious health risks who need to be vaccinated before those in sports.

There are people who are vulnerable because they perform essential services who need to be vaccinated before those in sports.

They get vaccinated before those in sports. And for lots of other people music, theatre, art is just as important, a point you dismiss because I add mime.
- Canada Cup

Jesus, indeed.

We agree on this point. I even made a couple of references to my wife being immuno-compromised being at the front of the line. And guess what? She does not work for an essential service.

There are clearly a number of tiers that are above sports but I argue that sports is pretty essential to life in North America. I would argue that music and arts are in the same position as sports: they provide essential entertainment that is consumed by, and enriches, our culture economically, psychologically, and socially.

I dismissed your very specific mime analogy because hockey is orders of magnitude more important to this society than mime.

My argument has never been that hockey players should take precedence. But I think there is a very real argument that some non-essential industries should be elevated above the general public.

I doubt the economic part of the equation will come into it. It’s a public health issue and public health criteria will drive the decisions. Jobs will only be a factor in looking at people who are performing essential services - those that keep us safe, that feed and move our poop away.
- Canada Cup

At the risk of sounding like Ayn Rand, having a healthy economy promotes public health

Jesus, indeed.

We agree on this point. I even made a couple of references to my wife being immuno-compromised being at the front of the line. And guess what? She does not work for an essential service.

There are clearly a number of tiers that are above sports but I argue that sports is pretty essential to life in North America. I would argue that music and arts are in the same position as sports: they provide essential entertainment that is consumed by, and enriches, our culture economically, psychologically, and socially.

I dismissed your very specific mime analogy because hockey is orders of magnitude more important to this society than mime.

My argument has never been that hockey players should take precedence. But I think there is a very real argument that some non-essential industries should be elevated above the general public.
- mjones242

Tell that to the various mime school operators across our great nation!!

Actually that isnt irony...considering most topics on here arent sports related.
People coming together is the problem right now.


- Fakepartofme

Most topics on here being non-sports related is irrelevant. People sought out this forum because they wanted to discuss sports and non-sports related content with fellow sports fans.

To dismiss sports as being super relevant on a sports forum isn't just ironic, it's (frank)ing hilarious.

Tell that to the various mime school operators across our great nation!!

- TheMussel

I think I just did.

Most topics on here being non-sports related is irrelevant. People sought this forum because they wanted to discuss sports and non-sports related content with fellow sports fans.

To dismiss sports as being super relevant on a sports forum isn't just ironic, it's (frank)ing hilarious.
- mjones242

I thought we were all here because we're in purgatory

If you're bored cause there is no sports to watch and you need to be entertained by sports then your life was already pretty boring to begin with.
Now, if youre bored cause you cannot play sports or your kids cannot play sports then yes, would love to get that back to normal...which would require the public to get vaccinated if they choose.
But no athlete should take priority over anyone.
- Fakepartofme

Thank you for your mental health assessment and nuanced argument, Dr. Fakepartofme.