It's been five years since the Eichel draft and it's taken all of those years to begin to restock the system. That's how much GMTM gutted it.
- Michael Pachla

Also, GMTM did bring in some good studs in ROR, Kane, Lehner all of who have gone onto be highly effective once they left the Sabres organization.

To me, the real question is why did those guys and others go on to enjoy success elsewhere...like Bogo, when they became problem child in this cancerous organization.

Also, GMTM did bring in some good studs in ROR, Kane, Lehner all of who have gone onto be highly effective once they left the Sabres organization.

To me, the real question is why did those guys and others go on to enjoy success elsewhere...like Bogo, when they became problem child in this cancerous organization.
- IonSabres

No forward depth, disaster of a defence corps, and Eichel and Reinhart really took off the year ROR was dealt.

Also, GMTM did bring in some good studs in ROR, Kane, Lehner all of who have gone onto be highly effective once they left the Sabres organization.

To me, the real question is why did those guys and others go on to enjoy success elsewhere...like Bogo, when they became problem child in this cancerous organization.
- IonSabres

Well to me with the trades for those guys you gave away pieces to get them and didn't leave much to build around them to make them and the team better.

Also, GMTM did bring in some good studs in ROR, Kane, Lehner all of who have gone onto be highly effective once they left the Sabres organization.

To me, the real question is why did those guys and others go on to enjoy success elsewhere...like Bogo, when they became problem child in this cancerous organization.
- IonSabres

He wanted leadership in the young vets. Kane is not a leader. Lehner had issues that would not allow him to be a leader if he even was one to begin with.

ROR may be a leader, but not on the scale he thought he was nor was he enough of a leader for a very young team like that.

And Bogo? He was injured all the time.

Also, GMTM did bring in some good studs in ROR, Kane, Lehner all of who have gone onto be highly effective once they left the Sabres organization.

To me, the real question is why did those guys and others go on to enjoy success elsewhere...like Bogo, when they became problem child in this cancerous organization.
- IonSabres

Those teams don't have Sam Reinhart centering Benoit balls and Seth Griffith, ROR isn't centering Scott Wilson, Marco scandella on the top pair, Kane has always been Kane and Robin Lehner isn't hungover on game days anymore.

The Sabres aren't built on an Indian burial ground, the last two GMs just sucked ass at rounding out a roster

He wanted leadership in the young vets. Kane is not a leader. Lehner had issues that would not allow him to be a leader if he even was one to begin with.

ROR may be a leader, but not on the scale he thought he was nor was he enough of a leader for a very young team like that.

And Bogo? He was injured all the time.
- Michael Pachla

I didn't like the ROR trade at all, he's a good player, but he always seemed to be a player to get like St.Louis to finish of your roster, that last big piece to the puzzle, not a piece you acquire to start your puzzle. Would have liked to see Compher and Zadarov in are Lineup.

Those teams don't have Sam Reinhart centering Benoit balls and Seth Griffith, ROR isn't centering Scott Wilson, Marco scandella on the top pair, Kane has always been Kane and Robin Lehner isn't hungover on game days anymore.

The Sabres aren't built on an Indian burial ground, the last two GMs just sucked ass at rounding out a roster
- jcragcrumple

Cody Eakin and Girgensons think it’s 3 in a row

Cody Eakin and Girgensons think it’s 3 in a row
- sbroads24

I had a feeling this was coming. Can we at least see how Adams' roster performs before we definitively say he is officially mayor of garbagetown?

I had a feeling this was coming. Can we at least see how Adams' roster performs before we definitively say he is officially mayor of garbagetown?
- jcragcrumple

Nope

Nope
- jochfr

Tough but fair

Flacco was right. The Rangers aren't making Lafreniere available for the World Juniors. The Devils aren't allowing Jack Hughes to go either.

Flacco was right. The Rangers aren't making Lafreniere available for the World Juniors. The Devils aren't allowing Jack Hughes to go either.
- buffalofan19

🤝

I had a feeling this was coming. Can we at least see how Adams' roster performs before we definitively say he is officially mayor of garbagetown?
- jcragcrumple

This is an outrage!!!
WTF are you thinking?!!
Jezes H Christ, draw and quarter this man, but boil his balls first!

I had a feeling this was coming. Can we at least see how Adams' roster performs before we definitively say he is officially mayor of garbagetown?
- jcragcrumple

You can. I’ve explained myself. Im approaching this one the opposite I did of the other two. I backed Murray and Botterill hires. I’m against Adams from day 1 hoping I end up happy and wrong instead of angry and wrong

You can. I’ve explained myself. Im approaching this one the opposite I did of the other two. I backed Murray and Botterill hires. I’m against Adams from day 1 hoping I end up happy and wrong instead of angry and wrong
- sbroads24

Funny thing is we are actually gonna see how Botts did, finally gonna start seeing a influx of prospects coming up through Rochester. Amazing how drained are system was.

Funny thing is we are actually gonna see how Botts did, finally gonna start seeing a influx of prospects coming up through Rochester. Amazing how drained are system was.
- Buff36

Eh. Botts was a bad GM. But I think how bad will be determined.

Murray was terrible, but over the last year I think it’s obvious Pegula’s handcuffed him a little bit as well.

I have said I think the job itself is over rated. A lot of luck is involved

Hit on some surprises in the draft and get your superstar and go contend

Eh. Botts was a bad GM. But I think how bad will be determined.

Murray was terrible, but over the last year I think it’s obvious Pegula’s handcuffed him a little bit as well.

I have said I think the job itself is over rated. A lot of luck is involved

Hit on some surprises in the draft and get your superstar and go contend
- sbroads24

That's kinda what I meant with Botts, we really need some of his picks to hit, are system has been abysmal since the Eichel draft.

Eh. Botts was a bad GM. But I think how bad will be determined.

Murray was terrible, but over the last year I think it’s obvious Pegula’s handcuffed him a little bit as well.

I have said I think the job itself is over rated. A lot of luck is involved

Hit on some surprises in the draft and get your superstar and go contend
- sbroads24

Hahahaha what?! Seriously? You think these guys don't work their butt off? It's professional sports. It is an incredibly competitive and cut throat position. Is there some luck involved with drafting, sure but with everything else that goes on behind the scenes....that is a very bold statement.

Eh. Botts was a bad GM. But I think how bad will be determined.

Murray was terrible, but over the last year I think it’s obvious Pegula’s handcuffed him a little bit as well.

I have said I think the job itself is over rated. A lot of luck is involved

Hit on some surprises in the draft and get your superstar and go contend
- sbroads24

Murray went to fast, we weren't ready for those trades yet.

Hahahaha what?! Seriously? You think these guys don't work their butt off? It's professional sports. It is an incredibly competitive and cut throat position. Is there some luck involved with drafting, sure but with everything else that goes on behind the scenes....that is a very bold statement.
- Bufsaints8

Where did I say they don’t work hard?

The failure/success of a GM can hinder on good/bad luck rather than skill or “hard work”. If Botts picks work out Adams will luck out as that didn’t happen with the previous two GM’s

Eh. Botts was a bad GM. But I think how bad will be determined.

Murray was terrible, but over the last year I think it’s obvious Pegula’s handcuffed him a little bit as well.

I have said I think the job itself is over rated. A lot of luck is involved

Hit on some surprises in the draft and get your superstar and go contend
- sbroads24

Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. It isn't all about luck, although to some degree they all enjoy a bit of it.

Murray and Botts represent the relative incompetent GM's you reference as being lucky ... and a good number of GMs may fall into that category.

However, there are others who have a clue to various degrees, with a few/several being really good and who perform well with different teams, rebuilding them into competitive franchises. Is luck involved?...I suppose to some degree. But there is more than that.

Largely, I think those that can replicate success with different teams have a strong ability to evaluate what is needed on the team and are able to properly assess players in their ability bring to fill those needs...be it skill, character, leadership, work ethic, etc.. For them, I don't think that is luck.

I am interested in what Kevyn Krueger can do, as they have first defined what it means to be a Buffalo Sabre, then sought out players who fit that mold to fill their needs. That intrigues me...I just wish I knew what that definition is to see if I align with it...but from whom they targeted, I am more onboard than not. For example, if Quinn becomes a good, solid player and part of the core ... is that luck, or is that a result of them understanding success metrics and selecting players who score high against those metrics?

Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more.
Murray and Botts represent the relative incompetent GM's you Reference as needing luck ... and the majority if GMs likely fall into that category.

However, there are others who gave a clue to various degrees, with a few/several being really good and can perform well with different teams, rebuilding them into competitive franchises. Is luck involved?...I suppose to some degree.

Largely, I think those that can replicate success with different teams have a strong ability to evaluate what is needed on the team and are able to properly assess players in their ability bring to fill those needs...be it skill, character, leadership, work ethic, etc.. For them, I don't think that is luck.
- IonSabres

Chirelli and Rutherford have a combined 4 cups and have made some of the most ridiculous moves I’ve ever seen.

Hahahaha what?! Seriously? You think these guys don't work their butt off? It's professional sports. It is an incredibly competitive and cut throat position. Is there some luck involved with drafting, sure but with everything else that goes on behind the scenes....that is a very bold statement.
- Bufsaints8

Amateur scouts have the toughest jobs in hockey.

GM’s mostly sit there and do nothing because they are too risk averse. Most GM’s when they do eventually do something do something stupid.

Joe Sakic is the exception.

Julian Brisebois showed some real stones this year too and finished the job Yzerkan started.

85% of GM’s are replacement level

Amateur scouts have the toughest jobs in hockey.

GM’s mostly sit there and do nothing because they are too risk averse. Most GM’s when they do eventually do something do something stupid.

Joe Sakic is the exception.

Julian Brisebois showed some real stones this year too and finished the job Yzerkan started.

85% of GM’s are replacement level
- Pegullaville

There are very few good one's.

Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more. It isn't all about luck, although to some degree they all enjoy a bit of it.

Murray and Botts represent the relative incompetent GM's you reference as being lucky ... and a good number of GMs may fall into that category.

However, there are others who have a clue to various degrees, with a few/several being really good and who perform well with different teams, rebuilding them into competitive franchises. Is luck involved?...I suppose to some degree. But there is more than that.

Largely, I think those that can replicate success with different teams have a strong ability to evaluate what is needed on the team and are able to properly assess players in their ability bring to fill those needs...be it skill, character, leadership, work ethic, etc.. For them, I don't think that is luck.

I am interested in what Kevyn Krueger can do, as they have first defined what it means to be a Buffalo Sabre, then sought out players who fit that mold to fill their needs. That intrigues me...I just wish I knew what that definition is to see if I align with it...but from whom they targeted, I am more onboard than not. For example, if Quinn becomes a good, solid player and part of the core ... is that luck, or is that a result of them understanding success metrics and selecting players who score high against those metrics?
- IonSabres

Definitely not all luck, but a substantial part.

Take Brayden Point for example. The Lightning could’ve truly loved him as a prospect, they also passed on him for players who are worse. Same with Kucherov

It’s just not plausible that they had any clue those guys were superstars.

Do we give the former GM of Detroit all the credit for Zetterberg and Datsyuk? Or the scouts? Or admit they were lucky they panned out like they did which led to Stanley cups