I just don't see how the players have a leg to stand on within the construct of 50%/50% Revenue Sharing.
Yes, it sucks in light of having a deal signed within the past 5 months that now needs to be revamped.

There may have been some schannigans by the Owners in CBA negotiations to get the return to play hammered out for last season primarily, but that financial arrangement of 20% Escrow and 10% Deferral simply doesn't work to achieve 50% Revenue Sharing. If I'm a player, I'd be pissed too...but the reality is it has to be re-worked.

the IOC is the most corrupt organization in the world.
- ImThatGuy

the US government is working on showing them whats up

As a goalie, I approve this message. So tired of decent goalies getting high praise because they were on great teams. The Jonathan Quick's of the world deserve their Cups for their performances in that limited sample. To get to the HoF you should've been one of the biggest contributors on a great team, not riding the coat tails of such a team.

Imagine Osgood's picture up between Dryden and Roy or Hasek and Plante. Ridiculous.
- RhinoFan

i will not

Imagine Osgood's picture up between Dryden and Roy or Hasek and Plante. Ridiculous.
- RhinoFan

should the HOF remove Billy Smith or Grant Fuhr?

should the HOF remove Billy Smith or Grant Fuhr?
- homiedclown

Traded to Buffalo by Toronto with Toronto's 5th round choice (Kevin Popp) in 1995 Entry Draft for Dave Andreychuk, Daren Puppa and Buffalo's 1st round choice (Kenny Jönsson) in 1993 Entry Draft, February 2, 1993.

should the HOF remove Billy Smith or Grant Fuhr?
- homiedclown

Billy Smith has a Conn Smythe and a Vezina. Grant Fuhr has Vezina and 6 all star games.

Chris Osgood has no Vezinas, no Smythes, 2 all star games and a poop load of wins on stacked teams. Apples and oranges

So he really has 2 Cups,
but was on superior teams to any Miller played with
IMO of course
I know we had 2 really good teams with Miller,
but those Wings teams were littered with the
Hall of Famers that those good Buffalo teams just didn’t have


Idk of my opinion only matters at certain times though?
I know at least one troll who has an opinion on that, so maybe u can pretend to care what he thinks, bc i just don’t at all
- jdfitz77

Then why do you keep going on and on about this crap? Shut the (frank) up already and act normal maybe.

the US government is working on showing them whats up
- SabresFaninIndiana

Unfortunately this is true.

It blows my mind that of all teh developed nations in the world the US has the worst government.

https://sports.yahoo.com/...anking-nhl-195303192.html

They say there's not enough of a record to rank, but...
- Wetbandit1

If I had to grade

Draft - D
Free agency - C+ (Hall saves this from an F, so glad Adams could be in the room while Krueger sold him and Terry wrote a check)
Trades- C - Staal was fine, even though he might be 43 when the NHL starts playing again, but not making other trades is inexcusable
Calling other GM’s on Sabres embedded and looking clueless - A++

Billy Smith has a Conn Smythe and a Vezina. Grant Fuhr has Vezina and 6 all star games.

Chris Osgood has no Vezinas, no Smythes, 2 all star games and a poop load of wins on stacked teams. Apples and oranges
- jcragcrumple

Osgood won 30+ games in a season for two other franchises.

If Curtis Joseph and Miller get in, so should Osgood.

If I had to grade

Draft - D
Free agency - C+ (Hall saves this from an F, so glad Adams could be in the room while Krueger sold him and Terry wrote a check)
Trades- C - Staal was fine, even though he might be 43 when the NHL starts playing again, but not making other trades is inexcusable
Calling other GM’s on Sabres embedded and looking clueless - A++
- sbroads24

Risto, Miller and Montour are still on the roster.

That equals an F for me. Its inexcusable.

Unfortunately this is true.

It blows my mind that of all teh developed nations in the world the US has the worst government.
- ImThatGuy

i like the layout with the checks and balances... but its the people and how they have leveraged the loop holes for their own financial growth. it amazes me how 99% of americans want term limits but yet it never gets brought up..

should the HOF remove Billy Smith or Grant Fuhr?
- homiedclown

I don't think I'd remove people, but wouldn't be voting for them now. Their save percentages ebbed and flowed with the teams they were on. They didn't ever truly dominate in any season statistically. And while they were in the league a long time, they each essentially have a 4-5 good years and a lot of average starter numbers.

Osgood won 30+ games in a season for two other franchises.

If Curtis Joseph and Miller get in, so should Osgood.
- dadeadhead

i dont think any of the goalies in this message should get in.. but thats just my opinion

Osgood won 30+ games in a season for two other franchises.

If Curtis Joseph and Miller get in, so should Osgood.
- dadeadhead

Any goalie who hasn't won a Vezina is not HOF material

Any goalie who hasn't won a Vezina is not HOF material
- jcragcrumple

what

Risto, Miller and Montour are still on the roster.

That equals an F for me. Its inexcusable.
- ImThatGuy

Risto, Hutton, Okposo, Montour,


A ton of money in players who lose you games. And he did nothing.

He sucks. Just like Botterill. Just like Murray

It's sincerely not hard to reach for the 15th best prospect at pick 8, dial the phone for your coach so he can talk to Taylor Hall, and slap a one year deal on everyone so you don't actually have to make any decisions.

At least we know now, so any good he does will be a pleasant surprise

what
- 3rd GM's the charm

Wat

Maybe the double negative was confusing. You have to have a Vezina to be in the Hall. Not all vezina winners are HOFers but all HOFers are Vezina winners

Risto, Hutton, Okposo, Montour,


A ton of money in players who lose you games. And he did nothing.

He sucks. Just like Botterill. Just like Murray

It's sincerely not hard to reach for the 15th best prospect at pick 8, dial the phone for your coach so he can talk to Taylor Hall, and slap a one year deal on everyone so you don't actually have to make any decisions.

At least we know now, so any good he does will be a pleasant surprise
- sbroads24

I don’t think having flexibility next offseason is a negative thing.

I do not blame you though for not believing this management team will do the right thing with the said flexibility though.

I’m hoping Jack Quinn will end up being a top 8 player in this class because missing on that pick will be even worse then the Mitts/Nylander picks with the current state the organization is in.

Time will tell.

i dont think any of the goalies in this message should get in.. but thats just my opinion
- SabresFaninIndiana

If you win 400+ games you should get in.

Kinda like the 300 win club in baseball. Which is now become more like the 250 win club because of starts.

Only 13 guys have done it.

It’s a pretty big accomplishment, IMO of course.

I don’t think having flexibility next offseason is a negative thing.

I do not blame you though for not believing this management team will do the right thing with the said flexibility though.

I’m hoping Jack Quinn will end up being a top 8 player in this class because missing on that pick will be even worse then the Mitts/Nylander picks with the current state the organization is in.

Time will tell.
- Pegullaville

That’s the thing though. They won’t

Voluntarily letting Kahun and Larsson walk for Eakin and Girgensons, and to pay them 2x of the former is some of the most brainless roster management ive seen

They’re going to trade Reinhart to keep Hall, who’s 4 years older, will cost more, and isn’t that much better (to be clear he’s absolutely better, but it’s not night and day)

Billy Smith has a Conn Smythe and a Vezina. Grant Fuhr has Vezina and 6 all star games.

Chris Osgood has no Vezinas, no Smythes, 2 all star games and a poop load of wins on stacked teams. Apples and oranges
- jcragcrumple

Osgood is even worse.

Apples to oranges is comparing any of those three against the goalies that already made it. Obviously the Brodeurs, Roys, Plantes and Haseks are going to beat them.

But even when stacked against their peers they weren't the best. If you look at the best SALA seasons by goaltenders in the 80s, you see Roy, Linbergh, Hrudey, Froese, Hextall, Peeters, Melanson...then Fuhr and Smith. In the 70s, it was Dryden, Espo, Tretiak and Cheevers...not Billie Smith. These guys were good goalies, played a long time and won some hardware with great teams.

If you win 400+ games you should get in.

Kinda like the 300 win club in baseball. Which is now become more like the 250 win club because of starts.

Only 13 guys have done it.

It’s a pretty big accomplishment, IMO of course.
- dadeadhead

I think if you put Nikolai Khabibulin on those Detroit teams he would would have a pair of Vezinas and be a sure-fire HOFer. Any reasonably good goalie of that era would have stacked wins like crazy.

Osgood was in the right place at the right time but all he has is wins

i like the layout with the checks and balances... but its the people and how they have leveraged the loop holes for their own financial growth. it amazes me how 99% of americans want term limits but yet it never gets brought up..
- SabresFaninIndiana

well, the people have the ability to impose term limits through the vote but would rather vote to reelect their same representation.

The Govt isnt the issue, the ignorant people are.

That’s the thing though. They won’t

Voluntarily letting Kahun and Larsson walk for Eakin and Girgensons, and to pay them 2x of the former is some of the most brainless roster management ive seen

They’re going to trade Reinhart to keep Hall, who’s 4 years older, will cost more, and isn’t that much better (to be clear he’s absolutely better, but it’s not night and day)
- sbroads24

I’m going to try to remain optimistic until they make those types of decisions.

Pretty much all we can do at this point.