That's a good point. Goes back to Swami's point that the NHL draft should be set to a later age to prevent the crapshoot aspect.

Yes, I have no doubt you say this through personal experience given what you have said about your kids.

- PT21

It's a really interesting universe to come to understand.

Give me the name of ONE highly prized football recruit in the past 20 years who had the same projected position in college, with the same chances of starting, for the same scholarship help, and chose a lower tier football school that was better in academics because of academic reasons.
- PT21

Give it up. Go back to what you originally said.

Give it up. Go back to what you originally said.
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Here is what I wrote:

"I am comparing it to the development route for NFL players, where no one thinks about the quality of education (the College factor is a given, of course), and so is generally the scholarship. Its all about the role you have been promised and the nature of the program."

I am highlighting the relevant parts for your impaired reading comprehension once more, because, well, I am a very nice dude and its Friday, and you helped me blow an hour of my time.

Usually when things are well developed, an explicit ranking system follows.

Its not usually '"well this could work, and so could that."...
- PT21

It's so complicated because there are geographical considerations and restrictions in place, so kids' paths are dictated by where they live/are born.

Like if you're American, you can't just go over to Canada and play for any CHL team. There are territorial rights, so you can only be drafted by a team in your geographic domain. The CHL has import limits for European players, etc. If you're Canadian and you play major junior, you become NCAA ineligible, so you're forced to play Junior A in Canada or cross over to the USHL, which also has import restrictions for non-Americans.

It's not as simple as "hey, I wanna be an NHL'er so I'll play for the London Knights".

European club teams are an entirely different thing. They're like local community athletic clubs, fancy YMCAs, who span vertically from youth sports up to professional sports. Some of them have like over a hundred years of history. AFAIK, they don't really accept non-local kids until the semi-pro levels.

Here is what I wrote:

"I am comparing it to the development route for NFL players, where no one thinks about the quality of education (the College factor is a given, of course), and so is generally the scholarship. Its all about the role you have been promised and the nature of the program."

I am highlighting the relevant parts for your impaired reading comprehension once more, because, well, I am a very nice dude and its Friday, and you helped me blow an hour of my time.
- PT21

Got it no one ever choose academics over a top sports program. What was I thinking.

It's so complicated because there are geographical considerations and restrictions in place, so kids' paths are dictated by where they live/are born.

Like if you're American, you can't just go over to Canada and play for any CHL team. There are territorial rights, so you can only be drafted by a team in your geographic domain. The CHL has import limits for European players, etc. If you're Canadian and you play major junior, you become NCAA ineligible, so you're forced to play Junior A in Canada or cross over to the USHL, which also has import restrictions for non-Americans.

It's not as simple as "hey, I wanna be an NHL'er so I'll play for the London Knights".

European club teams are an entirely different thing. They're like local community athletic clubs, fancy YMCAs, who span vertically from youth sports up to professional sports. Some of them have like over a hundred years of history.
- Tomahawk

Instead of saying well developed, I should have said well defined.

Clearly a slap in the face of my academic scholar creds.

(Thanks)

Got it no one ever choose academics in a lower sports program school over a top sports program with lower academics when they were a blue chip football recruit who had the same chances of starting at the same position and got the same financial assistance. .
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Glad we are finally on the same page. Took you long enough.

What was I thinking
- login

You were thinking about steam therapy for relieving menstrual cramps, for reasons best known, and best kept, to yourself.

Give me the name of ONE highly prized football recruit in the past 20 years who had the same projected position in college, with the same chances of starting, for the same scholarship help, and chose a lower tier football school that was better in academics because of academic reasons.
- PT21

I hate that it looks like im siding with the moron but it happens all the time. Notre Dame's whole pitch is 40 years, not four

I hate that it looks like im siding with the moron but it happens all the time. Notre Dame's whole pitch is 40 years, not four
- KINGKENZO

Hey buddy how are you? Hitting up any good pizza spots for dinner?

I hate that it looks like im siding with the moron but it happens all the time. Notre Dame's whole pitch is 40 years, not four
- KINGKENZO

Yeah, I know that stupid slogan. Its so untrue. But anyway Notre Dame is a decent academic school with a very good football program. Kind of in the same league as anyone else athletically. The comparison was academics over athletics, so you would need to find a program that has lower quality athletics and higher quality academics and a recruit who favors that program over one with the reverse, while keeping the same the other factors.

There are a couple of Harvard guys in the NFL, with that barking madman Eagles tormentor Fitzpatrick one of them. So that is a possible path. Would anyone turn down Notre Dame to go to Harvard, keeping all else the same?

More realistically, did anyone choose UCal over a program like Alabama, Penn State, Notre Dame and so on for academic reasons alone? That's a decent school football program wise but not elite, and yet a great academic school.

Yeah, I know that stupid slogan. Its so untrue. But anyway Notre Dame is a decent academic school with a very good football program. Kind of in the same league as anyone else athletically. The comparison was academics over athletics, so you would need to find a program that has lower quality athletics and higher quality academics and a recruit who favors that program over one with the reverse, while keeping the same the other factors.

There are a couple of Harvard guys in the NFL, with that barking madman Eagles tormentor Fitzpatrick one of them. So that is a possible path. Would anyone turn down Notre Dame to go to Harvard, keeping all else the same?

More realistically, did anyone choose UCal over a program like Alabama, Penn State, Notre Dame and so on for academic reasons alone? That's a decent school football program wise but not elite, and yet a great academic school.
- PT21

Maybe not to that extreme, but recruits turn away from Bama, Ohio State and football factory like schools for a relative athletic opportunity and greater academic requirements....it just doesnt happen that ND gets the Upper echelon athletes anymore

Maybe not to that extreme, but recruits turn away from Bama, Ohio State and football factory like schools for a relative athletic opportunity and greater academic requirements....it just doesnt happen that ND gets the Upper echelon athletes anymore

- KINGKENZO

ND don't get those upper echelon athletes, as you said, so these are not blue chip guys then.... Its not like Matthews going off to play in the Swiss League for a year without a thought about how it might affect his draft status (My general point was that the route to NFL is a much more narrow one).

ND may not be elite anymore, but its still a storied program, isn't it. I just looked - they are ranked #2 in the AP poll.

Does anyone know how you can watch the college hockey games online or through an app with price/options?
Prefer a free route if you have one.
- ClaudeFather

http://onhockey.tv/

game is on now, 1-0 badgers

ND don't get those upper echelon athletes, as you said, so these are not blue chip guys then.... Its not like Matthews going off to play in the Swiss League for a year without a thought about how it might affect his draft status (My general point was that the route to NFL is a much more narrow one).

ND may not be elite anymore, but its still a storied program, isn't it. I just looked - they are ranked #2 in the AP poll.
- PT21

im aware. There is a large gap between the "student" athletes ND gets and what Bama OSU and Clemson have been pulling in. ND has been able to get highly touted Oline and TE but year in year out those programs entire roster is full of 4-5 recruits.

They actually have stellar 21 and 22 classes lined up

im aware. There is a large gap between the "student" athletes ND gets and what Bama OSU and Clemson have been pulling in. ND has been able to get highly touted Oline and TE but year in year out those programs entire roster is full of 4-5 recruits.

They actually have stellar 21 and 22 classes lined up
- KINGKENZO

Could ND win their first championship this year since forever?

Could ND win their first championship this year since forever?
- PT21

In short, no. THey beat Clemson without Trevor Lawrence and 3 D starters. They'll most likely have to play them again in the ACC Championship. Bama and Ohio State are loaded. ND is closing the gap and they might not get blown out but, to my point regarding top levell talent, they dont have enough game breaking talent to beat those teams.

In short, no. THey beat Clemson without Trevor Lawrence and 3 D starters. They'll most likely have to play them again in the ACC Championship. Bama and Ohio State are loaded. ND is closing the gap and they might not get blown out but, to my point regarding top levell talent, they dont have enough game breaking talent to beat those teams.
- KINGKENZO

Sure, I was angry because nothing in my question had anything to do with my profession. Stop emulating MJL - there is nothing there that is remotely aspirational in his persona.

And I couldn't be less interested in your PM history, but man to man, its only fair to point out the obvious: that multiple people said publicly you had sent them PMs that were in poor taste, not to say bloody creepy, and I suspect that incident is not just at the back of my mind but also that of others.

That's all I have to say about the previous matter. You have a issue with the previous, take it up with those who made the accusation. My exasperation just brought it out in the open.
- PT21

It's hysterical that you use the phrase man to man. I've challenged you over and over to meet man to man in debate. You just keep punking out and calling me out when I'm not around. Then you have the gall to post man to woman!

In short, no. THey beat Clemson without Trevor Lawrence and 3 D starters. They'll most likely have to play them again in the ACC Championship. Bama and Ohio State are loaded. ND is closing the gap and they might not get blown out but, to my point regarding top levell talent, they dont have enough game breaking talent to beat those teams.
- KINGKENZO

I think this is all very accurate, but it still doesn’t convince me that notre dame football isn’t firmly in the upper crust. It does seem in the last 7 or 8 years the crust has consolidated to basically just Clemson/bama/Ohio state, but notre dame is still blue blood royalty for football

I think this is all very accurate, but it still doesn’t convince me that notre dame football isn’t firmly in the upper crust. It does seem in the last 7 or 8 years the crust has consolidated to basically just Clemson/bama/Ohio state, but notre dame is still blue blood royalty for football
- stayinthefnnet

Certainly but I would suggest that the academic standards are not the same at most top football universities than it is at ND.

I think this is all very accurate, but it still doesn’t convince me that notre dame football isn’t firmly in the upper crust. It does seem in the last 7 or 8 years the crust has consolidated to basically just Clemson/bama/Ohio state, but notre dame is still blue blood royalty for football
- stayinthefnnet

Certainly but I would suggest that the academic standards are not the same at most top football universities than it is at ND.

I think this is all very accurate, but it still doesn’t convince me that notre dame football isn’t firmly in the upper crust. It does seem in the last 7 or 8 years the crust has consolidated to basically just Clemson/bama/Ohio state, but notre dame is still blue blood royalty for football
- stayinthefnnet

without a doubt

I need hockey back.

Yep...that's how I watched Lacynski play about 12-15 games,
- juiced

Cool I have it I’ll check it out

Certainly but I would suggest that the academic standards are not the same at most top football universities than it is at ND.
- MJL

I mean this as no slight whatsoever at ND, but let’s not pretend that the “academic standards” for the general student populous apply to the “insert football blue chip recruit here” standard whatsoever. If you want to say that for the regular Joe who applies ND is a more selective university than say Ohio st, penn state, etc, I’ll buy it. But it’s entirely a different standard for the athletic elite, unspoken or otherwise.