well I guess in this case the "fair deal" would be to keep what was initially negotiated then... anyways I really hope they get this done and start in January, it would suck balls for both the fans and the sport in general to have no hockey at all
- Pat1993

And just as a point, it wasn't like people didn't see this poop coming when the cba was signed. Many people pointed out how flawed it was and what is playing out now was predictable when it was signed

As the NFL learned in the 80s with replacement players that strategy may only take you so far. Hell the NHL was treating the players like farm animals until Gretzky forced the issue in the early 90s
- Takemedrunkimhome

Oh I don't disagree, but these guys didn't become billionaires by throwing money around like drunkin' sailors.

Hell I think most of them would steal Christ off the cross, and come back for the nails..

Oh I don't disagree, but these guys didn't become billionaires by throwing money around like drunkin' sailors.

Hell I think most of them would steal Christ off the cross, and come back for the nails..
- pete26

Fully agreed. That's where bargaining in good or bad faith comes in. Once you start bargaining in bad faith you should start arming yourself because war is coming just a matter of when

He who holds the gold makes the rules.

Been that way for some time now, not just in sports either..
- pete26

yep, imo negotiations for the next cba will get ugly. players won't get fooled again. they now know owners' word is worth nothing.

Oh I don't disagree, but these guys didn't become billionaires by throwing money around like drunkin' sailors.

Hell I think most of them would steal Christ off the cross, and come back for the nails..
- pete26

noice

Fully agreed. That's where bargaining in good or bad faith comes in. Once you start bargaining in bad faith you should start arming yourself because war is coming just a matter of when
- Takemedrunkimhome

my point exactly

my point exactly
- fidopro

And I'm pretty confident Jeremy Jacobs has used up all his capital with other owners. Not sure how willing some of them, especially in the smaller markets, will be to line up behind him

And I'm pretty confident Jeremy Jacobs has used up all his capital with other owners. Not sure how willing some of them, especially in the smaller markets, will be to line up behind him
- Takemedrunkimhome

they need to come to an agreement where they are business partners. for real.
revenues for last season were 1B? (or whatever the amount is) players will get half of that for next season. period. and so on.
now lets work on how we can increase that number year after year.

my butt hurts
- Streit2ThePoint

Why ?

they need to come to an agreement where they are business partners. for real.
revenues for last season were 1B? (or whatever the amount is) players will get half of that for next season. period. and so on.
now lets work on how we can increase that number year after year.
- fidopro

Too logical. They still can't even agree on what constitutes hockey related revenue despite that being what they have agreed to split

Fully agreed. That's where bargaining in good or bad faith comes in. Once you start bargaining in bad faith you should start arming yourself because war is coming just a matter of when
- Takemedrunkimhome

They'll always bargain in bad faith, because they're armed with the money..

is there any way jack edwards can get the covid and die a very slow, painful, drawn out death before they start back up though? that'd be super.
- kicksave856

Im on it

noice
- Pat1993

ty

An old grampa26 quote.

Im on it
- KINGKENZO

ty, friend.

They'll always bargain in bad faith, because they're armed with the money..
- pete26

Which is why the league gets shut down after every (frank)ing cba. It's stupid business and only hurts their ability to grow the league

Why ?
- Xizord

i don't know ask your dad

wait

Which is why the league gets shut down after every (frank)ing cba. It's stupid business and only hurts their ability to grow the league
- Takemedrunkimhome

exactly. my previous post would end this for ever. only little details would need to be negotiated for each cba because all the financials would be settled for good.

wait
- Streit2ThePoint

exactly. my previous post would end this for ever. only little details would need to be negotiated for each cba because all the financials would be settled for good.
- fidopro

Does that split include gambling revenues?

Does that split include gambling revenues?
- Takemedrunkimhome

for them to negociate, but imo ALL revenues should be included. period.

Which is why the league gets shut down after every (frank)ing cba. It's stupid business and only hurts their ability to grow the league
- Takemedrunkimhome

Yup, biggest expense in most business, next to cost of goods is labour, trimming that is straight profit.

That's how they'll always see it.

wait
- Streit2ThePoint

for them to negociate, but imo ALL revenues should be included. period.
- fidopro

Again too logical, and the owners disagree from my understanding

Yup, biggest expense in most business, next to cost of goods is labour, trimming that is straight profit.

That's how they'll always see it.
- pete26

In this case labour is the goods and without it they are left with no income but still have to pay expenses like arena rent. Empty arenas are expensive