A sample size of 1000 people? Ok yeah. Real accurate.

What community was this poll conducted in? high class? middle class? lower class? Those polls are bs.
- Santo_44

Ok Trump, Stop The Vote.

Leger is a major pollster. Sample size is 1500 which is standard. But if you disagree, it must be bullpoop.

https://leger360.com/surv...y-survey-october-14-2020/

I'm all for lock down. Shut it down. I never put health over finance and I dont feel sorry for those who didn't set them selves up for financial security or emergencies because they have to drive a nice car, own Apple products and subscribe to 40 streaming channels. Most dont want to make the sacrifices to achieve well paying jobs and im not sorry i had my head on right going through life.

Keeping things open and acting like life is normal is going allow people to let their guard down and think they're invincible without a care for elderly loved ones because they just absolutely have to eat at restaurants and run on treadmills instead of sidewalks.

I would hate to lose one of my in-law parents or my own mom because one of us infected them with covid.
- systemtool

So lock it all down with zero exceptions for businesses that are absolutely complying to health and safety protocols (like the example of my wife's salon)?

That seems incredibly silly to me. Why punish businesses who are following guidelines - especially small, independents - just because other businesses/institutions may not be?

Even the World Health Organization has expressed caution in the application of full lockdowns. They have made it clear that the financial/economic and mental health impact may exceed the risks of the pandemic per sustained lockdowns.

Ok Trump, Stop The Vote.

Leger is a major pollster. Sample size is 1500 which is standard. But if you disagree, it must be bullpoop.
- Canada Cup

I am far from Trump. There needs to be more push from the media on health. There are plenty of ways to hep curb this virus.

I just need to see how the poll was conducted before I can even use it as evidence. That poll would be massively different if it was conducted in a high class community compared to a low class community.

So lock it all down with zero exceptions for businesses that are absolutely complying to health and safety protocols (like the example of my wife's salon)?

That seems incredibly silly to me. Why punish businesses who are following guidelines - especially small, independents - just because other businesses/institutions may not be?

Even the World Health Organization has expressed caution in the application of full lockdowns. They have made it clear that the financial/economic and mental health impact may exceed the risks of the pandemic per sustained lockdowns.
- mjones242

Fully agree with this.

There is more at stake here, have to find a balance.

Yeah we aren't doing this.

People are binging McDonalds and all the media has been pushing is limiting contact. There are plenty of other ways we could be curbing this virus with our health and there hasn't been any sort of push for this.

How will people exercise this winter? Lets close the gyms...sure. Now what? Go buy a 1K treadmill? Go run out in -8 degree weather?

Also mental health is extremely important.

We cant have tunnel vision here.
- Santo_44

Closing gyms are a no-brainer. Easily a business that can be called a super spreader. Exercising without gyms for a few months is a very small sacrifice. Compensate those businesses to allow them to stay afloat.

Agree that mental illness is an important issue - it is very close to home for you because you mention it in most of your posts. This is especially hard with the isolation caused by various measures that have been in place for the last 9 months. Ask yourself this question honestly. Will this serious health issue go away if greater steps to combat covid are avoided? Then ask yourself this question what is the liklihood that a close relative survives covid is he is fighting cancer?

Losing a loved one, not being able to hold their hand as they take their last breath is something that will cause anguish for scores of people for the rest of their lives. Not putting the greatest concerted effort to reduce this pandemic to manageable levels is unacceptable.

Half of Canadians have a vitamin D deficiency(projected to be more) in the winter months.

Vitamin D is vital for immune function.

But hey, the most push I have read online about this is from Zezel on HB.

I am willing to bet the people most vocally calling for lockdowns are epidemiologists, public health specialists and doctors and nurses treating the dead and dying.
- Canada Cup

And they should be listened to and their recommendations should be considered in conjunction with other factors.

There is balance to all of this.

What price would you pay if there was a lockdown? What would you lose? How would your life change?

My guess? You would lose nothing and your life wouldn't change at all. You are fine with other people paying the price of course.

I am far from Trump. There needs to be more push from the media on health. There are plenty of ways to hep curb this virus.

I just need to see how the poll was conducted before I can even use it as evidence. That poll would be massively different if it was conducted in a high class community compared to a low class community.
- Santo_44

So you don’t understand how polling works I guess. Leger is one of the major polling companies in Canada. Their methodology is explained with each poll.

BTW, nobody uses the terms high class and low class communities.

https://www.lispop.ca/content/list-pollsters

https://leger360.com/surv...y-survey-october-14-2020/

Closing gyms are a no-brainer. Easily a business that can be called a super spreader. Exercising without gyms for a few months is a very small sacrifice. Compensate those businesses to allow them to stay afloat.

Agree that mental illness is an important issue - it is very close to home for you because you mention it in most of your posts. This is especially hard with the isolation caused by various measures that have been in place for the last 9 months. Ask yourself this question honestly. Will this serious health issue go away if greater steps to combat covid are avoided? Then ask yourself this question what is the liklihood that a close relative survives covid is he is fighting cancer?

Losing a loved one, not being able to hold their hand as they take their last breath is something that will cause anguish for scores of people for the rest of their lives. Not putting the greatest concerted effort to reduce this pandemic to manageable levels is unacceptable.
- winsix

I work in the mental health field. Its not about "avoiding greater steps". We have been avoiding greater steps the past year. We've been pushing social distancing and masks which is great. What we aren't doing is pushing health and wellness. Which boggles my mind but its been boggling my mind my whole life even before this pandemic. The number of deaths from lack of education and funding in health and wellness each year is astonishing. It is in the millions in the US alone. Thats another story and I am getting carried away but it is relative.

Losing a loved one to covid sucks. Losing my neighbour to suicide a few months ago sucked as well. My active father went in for an angiogram out of percaustion a month before this pandemic started and was able to get a stent put in at 95% blockage in an artery just before lockdown. His friend who wasn't able to get an angiogram once the lockdown started wasn't so lucky. He couldn't get an appointment because they stopped them for the lockdown.

Yes the lockdown has does some serious damage to some people, people that don't show up in the covid death toll. Do we throw away everything and say (frank) covid? no. But we dont jump into a lockdown and crazy measures with the snap of our fingers because its not that simple.

Compassion needs to be showed to those who truly suffer from these measures that are being taken, just as compassion is deserved for those who have been affected form covid. Understand that these measures have caused deaths for people.

And they should be listened to and their recommendations should be considered in conjunction with other factors.

There is balance to all of this.

What price would you pay if there was a lockdown? What would you lose? How would your life change?

My guess? You would lose nothing and your life wouldn't change at all. You are fine with other people paying the price of course.
- Leafs43

Yes, they should be listened to in conjunction with others. And they decisions should be made based on understanding that not acting now will require more painful action later. It astounds me that people have such a hard time grasping this point. “No, I don’t want to.”

I’ve never said anything about a full lockdown. I think the basic, current approach is correct. Where the numbers warrant, take focussed action.

It’s hard for me to know precisely what is the correct focussed action because I don’t have all the data. Essentially, it’s a quest of trying to find those places that add to the spread while providing the least economic benefit. Bars, restaurants and gyms would make sense. Schools might provide as much spread but the impact would be overwhelming.

I think the idea of limited to 10 customers is stupid. If we are in a Code Red and people are being told to only leave the house for essentials they should be closed.

Mike Augello: Pandemic’s biggest impact may be on player development
- mikeinbuffalo

I work in the mental health field. Its not about "avoiding greater steps". We have been avoiding greater steps the past year. We've been pushing social distancing and masks which is great. What we aren't doing is pushing health and wellness. Which boggles my mind but its been boggling my mind my whole life even before this pandemic. The number of deaths from lack of education and funding in health and wellness each year is astonishing. It is in the millions in the US alone. Thats another story and I am getting carried away but it is relative.

Losing a loved one to covid sucks. Losing my neighbour to suicide a few months ago sucked as well. My active father went in for an angiogram out of percaustion a month before this pandemic started and was able to get a stent put in at 95% blockage in an artery just before lockdown. His friend who wasn't able to get an angiogram once the lockdown started wasn't so lucky. He couldn't get an appointment because they stopped them for the lockdown.

Yes the lockdown has does some serious damage to some people, people that don't show up in the covid death toll. Do we throw away everything and say (frank) covid? no. But we dont jump into a lockdown and crazy measures with the snap of our fingers because its not that simple.

Compassion needs to be showed to those who truly suffer from these measures that are being taken, just as compassion is deserved for those who have been affected form covid. Understand that these measures have caused deaths for people.
- Santo_44

Why is it either/or? Of course, the impacts on people suffering from mental health issues in isolation are huge. Zoom doesn’t cut it, but the fact remains that failing to take focussed action now just means we are going to be facing more drastic problems later.

- winsix

Tom Petty the kitten asleep beside me



Put it on Sonos and made my wife happy

I work in the mental health field. Its not about "avoiding greater steps". We have been avoiding greater steps the past year. We've been pushing social distancing and masks which is great. What we aren't doing is pushing health and wellness. Which boggles my mind but its been boggling my mind my whole life even before this pandemic. The number of deaths from lack of education and funding in health and wellness each year is astonishing. It is in the millions in the US alone. Thats another story and I am getting carried away but it is relative.

Losing a loved one to covid sucks. Losing my neighbour to suicide a few months ago sucked as well. My active father went in for an angiogram out of percaustion a month before this pandemic started and was able to get a stent put in at 95% blockage in an artery just before lockdown. His friend who wasn't able to get an angiogram once the lockdown started wasn't so lucky. He couldn't get an appointment because they stopped them for the lockdown.

Yes the lockdown has does some serious damage to some people, people that don't show up in the covid death toll. Do we throw away everything and say (frank) covid? no. But we dont jump into a lockdown and crazy measures with the snap of our fingers because its not that simple.

Compassion needs to be showed to those who truly suffer from these measures that are being taken, just as compassion is deserved for those who have been affected form covid. Understand that these measures have caused deaths for people.
- Santo_44

Very well said!

That was a pathetic comment by him.

Apparently anyone who is struggling is because they chose to buy fancy cars and extra TV channels.

Nobody is suffering from Mental health disorders and anyone who owns a restaurant is just a rich snob who owns fancy cars.
- Santo_44

come on man.

I can say that about this post as well. It's his opinion just like yours here.

Something needs to be done to slow down the the spread of covid.

they are extreme measures but what else can be done?

I get pissed off at people who cannot follow direction in a grocery store or wear the mask improperly.

People will do what they want and other be damned

[quote=Santo_44]

The US is a model of how not to approach the pandemic. Hospitals are virtually operating at full capacity with no immediate relief in sight as the number of cases reported expands exponentially. Fortunately for Canadians, better measures and more responsible behavious is generally the case. For all the criticism that Trudeau takes, one of the best moves he made was buying futures in vaccines from every major drug company. This move virtually guarantees that Canadians will be at the front of the line for vaccines when they hit the public market. 20 Million doses were purchased from Pfizer as well as options for 56 million more. Similar quanitities were also purchased from Moderna in August.

Tom Petty the kitten asleep beside me



Put it on Sonos and made my wife happy
- Canada Cup

New music from Tom, especially from the Wildflowers era is like gold for me.

come on man.

I can say that about this post as well. It's his opinion just like yours here.

Something needs to be done to slow down the the spread of covid.

they are extreme measures but what else can be done?

I get pissed off at people who cannot follow direction in a grocery store or wear the mask improperly.

People will do what they want and other be damned
- dmnted

A few weeks ago - I made a comment to a guy wearing a mask with nostrils exposed walking the wrong direction at Longos and he wanted to start a fight in the store. Really sad that inconsiderate bafoons like this are among us.

A few weeks ago - I made a comment to a guy wearing a mask with nostrils exposed walking the wrong direction at Longos and he wanted to start a fight in the store. Really sad that inconsiderate bafoons like this are among us.
- winsix

It's the weirdest thing for me; looks like 'half' of those Americans wearing a mask need to push their mask up all the time to cover the nostrils. Don't think I've seen one single person doing it here.

Brain damage

[quote=winsix]

Interesting that they’re looking at putting a distribution priority on those with lower access to health care including Indigenous populations when they do start to roll out vaccines. (Obviously front line health care workers are top priority.)

It's the weirdest thing for me; looks like 'half' of those Americans wearing a mask need to push their mask up all the time to cover the nostrils. Don't think I've seen one single person doing it here.

Brain damage
- 21peter

But flared nostrils are so sexy

But flared nostrils are so sexy
- Canada Cup

yeah, they say most have a fetish for something...

yeah, they say most have a fetish for something...
- 21peter

If it was a real fetish I would have asked a series of detailed questions about the size, shape and colour the the nostril, the nature of the openings, that kind of thing.

- winsix

Taking piano lessons from my daughter. Once a month she sends a piece of music to all her students (piano and voice). Yesterday’s was Grieg “In the Hall of the Mountain King”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp_Hh6DKWc

Taking piano lessons from my daughter. Once a month she sends a piece of music to all her students (piano and voice). Yesterday’s was Grieg “In the Hall of the Mountain King”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp_Hh6DKWc
- Canada Cup

hear, hear!