People enjoy their freedom. Unfortunately, so does the virus.

Another lockdown would be political suicide. It's not what people want.
- Leafs43

He had fairly broad support in the early stages when he was shutting things down. Political suicide is if it gets completely out of control after he failed to take action especially if he loses the “i was following science” line.

Your son went with your girlfriend to visit her family? Little father son “bonding” these days, eh?
- RickJames77

I hope I’m not making a mistake

He had fairly broad support in the early stages when he was shutting things down. Political suicide is if it gets completely out of control after he failed to take action especially if he loses the “i was following science” line.
- Canada Cup

Ontario already has higher infection rates than several European countries that are back in lockdown.

What boggles my mind is there was no mandatory mask policy for businesses where the employees don't interact with the public. So warehouses, food processing, manufacturing, etc, etc. There's been no talk of how that's driving infection, which it clearly would be in Peel.

He had fairly broad support in the early stages when he was shutting things down. Political suicide is if it gets completely out of control after he failed to take action especially if he loses the “i was following science” line.
- Canada Cup

Support at the beginning is not evidence of support now.

We do not have unlimited financial resources to continue to compensate people and businesses for lockdowns and restrictions. I think the average person is starting to think that the negative consequences to Covid lockdowns and restrictions are worse than the effects of the virus itself.

I hope I’m not making a mistake
- Canada Cup

Halton and Hamilton now in Covid “Red Zones” which means one step away from a total lockdown. People told only to leave their houses for essentials. But bars, restaurants and gyms to stay open if limited to 10 customers? So going to the bar with 9 friends is essential? If they’re really worried about the social and economic impacts of a full lockdown, why are they (frank)ing around?
- Canada Cup

Shut down the gyms ffs

Support at the beginning is not evidence of support now.

We do not have unlimited financial resources to continue to compensate people and businesses for lockdowns and restrictions. I think the average person is starting to think that the negative consequences to Covid lockdowns and restrictions are worse than the effects of the virus itself.
- Leafs43

My wife owns and operates a small hair salon. She has been following strict protocols since she was allowed to re-open her business: temperature checks, customer signatures, masks at all times, gloves, plexiglass shield at her front desk, no friends/family allowed during a customer visit, washing down stations/equipment between clients, etc.

She also is currently running the salon by herself as it was apparent that one of her staff (pre-lockdown) was not going to take safety protocols seriously ("I just don't worry about these things!") and the other seems to be going through a midlife crisis triggered by this pandemic.

What more can be asked per safety at her place of business? Any health and safety auditor would give her efforts a glowing review. Which is maybe what needs to be done: auditing (especially small, independent) businesses for following safety pandemic health and safety procedures/guidelines. These audit scores would then determine whether a business should be forced to temporarily close or remain open.

A broadbrush, full lockdown seems pretty insane at this point in time.

My wife owns and operates a small hair salon. She has been following strict protocols since she was allowed to re-open her business: temperature checks, customer signatures, masks at all times, gloves, plexiglass shield at her front desk, no friends/family allowed during a customer visit, washing down stations/equipment between clients, etc.

She also is currently running the salon by herself as it was apparent that one of her staff (pre-lockdown) was not going to take safety protocols seriously ("I just don't worry about these things!") and the other seems to be going through a midlife crisis triggered by this pandemic.

What more can be asked per safety at her place of business? Any health and safety auditor would give her efforts a glowing review. Which is maybe what needs to be done: auditing (especially small, independent) businesses for following safety pandemic health and safety procedures/guidelines. These audit scores would then determine whether a business should be forced to temporarily close or remain open.

A broadbrush, full lockdown seems pretty insane at this point in time.
- mjones242

I think this is what Ford has been trying to communicate. There are a lot of businesses operating with extremely safe measures in an attempt to prevent transmission of the virus in their place of business. The media seem to pick up on a few businesses that aren't following guidelines and use those to justify lockdowns.

Lockdowns do seem insane at this point.. I am willing to bet that the majority of people calling for lockdowns have little to lose from a large scale lockdown.

My wife owns and operates a small hair salon. She has been following strict protocols since she was allowed to re-open her business: temperature checks, customer signatures, masks at all times, gloves, plexiglass shield at her front desk, no friends/family allowed during a customer visit, washing down stations/equipment between clients, etc.

She also is currently running the salon by herself as it was apparent that one of her staff (pre-lockdown) was not going to take safety protocols seriously ("I just don't worry about these things!") and the other seems to be going through a midlife crisis triggered by this pandemic.

What more can be asked per safety at her place of business? Any health and safety auditor would give her efforts a glowing review. Which is maybe what needs to be done: auditing (especially small, independent) businesses for following safety pandemic health and safety procedures/guidelines. These audit scores would then determine whether a business should be forced to temporarily close or remain open.

A broadbrush, full lockdown seems pretty insane at this point in time.
- mjones242

Absolutely agree.

I think it does a lot more harm than good. It is not the solution anymore.

I think this is what Ford has been trying to communicate. There are a lot of businesses operating with extremely safe measures in an attempt to prevent transmission of the virus in their place of business. The media seem to pick up on a few businesses that aren't following guidelines and use those to justify lockdowns.

Lockdowns do seem insane at this point.. I am willing to bet that the majority of people calling for lockdowns have little to lose from a large scale lockdown.
- Leafs43

Yup.

I find it crazy how the media is pushing social distancing(which its perfectly fine) but not to invest into our health.

The amount of people that have vitamin D deficiency in the winter months is insane. The majority of the population does and it is vital for our immune systems and you barely hear a peep on it on the news.

Even BC is around 600 per day now 😞
(3 co-workers have had influenza, but all tested negative)
Saw someone post the other day that flu levels are way down🤨
- mr.sir

Yup according the the government website they are way down and have been the past few months.

I think this is what Ford has been trying to communicate. There are a lot of businesses operating with extremely safe measures in an attempt to prevent transmission of the virus in their place of business. The media seem to pick up on a few businesses that aren't following guidelines and use those to justify lockdowns.

Lockdowns do seem insane at this point.. I am willing to bet that the majority of people calling for lockdowns have little to lose from a large scale lockdown.
- Leafs43

It really is a tough call and isn't about what people say, rather the actions and what really matters. Back in March I believe, I made a rough guess that this pandemic would claim the lives of 1.5 Million people. Santos - called me out as an alarmist and stated that I was grossly overestimating reasonable results even said people like me cause undue panic. The current situation in the world shows that I grossly under estimated the expected death toll. What matters is that everyone has to participate in wearing a mask publicly, everyone should practice social distancing. Protocols are effective when all participate. Businesses might have greater success in the long run if we are able to flatten the curve over a short period of time rather than trying to operate with minimal staff and few customers. The biggest issue and cause of the recent world-wide spike (IMO) is the return to schools, colleges and universities. This is very complicated, issues of the value of distance learning being of a lower standard than classroom studies is one issue. The most important issue remains, if young children that need parental supervision have no schools or daycares to attend, working adults' ability to work is seriously diminished if they are unable to work from home.

I'm all for lock down. Shut it down. I never put health over finance and I dont feel sorry for those who didn't set them selves up for financial security or emergencies because they have to drive a nice car, own Apple products and subscribe to 40 streaming channels. Most dont want to make the sacrifices to achieve well paying jobs and im not sorry i had my head on right going through life.

Keeping things open and acting like life is normal is going allow people to let their guard down and think they're invincible without a care for elderly loved ones because they just absolutely have to eat at restaurants and run on treadmills instead of sidewalks.

I would hate to lose one of my in-law parents or my own mom because one of us infected them with covid.

I'm all for lock down. Shut it down. I never put health over finance and I dont feel sorry for those who didn't set them selves up for financial security or emergencies because they have to drive a nice car, own Apple products and subscribe to 40 streaming channels. Most dont want to make the sacrifices to achieve well paying jobs and im not sorry i had my head on right going through life.

Keeping things open and acting like life is normal is going allow people to let their guard down and think they're invincible without a care for elderly loved ones because they just absolutely have to eat at restaurants and run on treadmills instead of sidewalks.

I would hate to lose one of my in-law parents or my own mom because one of us infected them with covid.
- systemtool

Uhmmm there is more to health than just covid. Try to understand that.

And very insensitive, yeah people who own restaurants and sports businesses should of foreseen this. They should have been prepared for this. Give me a break.

Come on man, everyone isnt in the same situation as you, physical and mental health wise, show some compassion.

I'm all for lock down. Shut it down. I never put health over finance and I dont feel sorry for those who didn't set them selves up for financial security or emergencies because they have to drive a nice car, own Apple products and subscribe to 40 streaming channels. Most dont want to make the sacrifices to achieve well paying jobs and im not sorry i had my head on right going through life.

Keeping things open and acting like life is normal is going allow people to let their guard down and think they're invincible without a care for elderly loved ones because they just absolutely have to eat at restaurants and run on treadmills instead of sidewalks.

I would hate to lose one of my in-law parents or my own mom because one of us infected them with covid.
- systemtool

In summary: You have nothing to lose from lockdowns and refuse to give any consideration to those who have everything to lose from lockdowns.

I'm all for lock down. Shut it down. I never put health over finance and I dont feel sorry for those who didn't set them selves up for financial security or emergencies because they have to drive a nice car, own Apple products and subscribe to 40 streaming channels. Most dont want to make the sacrifices to achieve well paying jobs and im not sorry i had my head on right going through life.

Keeping things open and acting like life is normal is going allow people to let their guard down and think they're invincible without a care for elderly loved ones because they just absolutely have to eat at restaurants and run on treadmills instead of sidewalks.

I would hate to lose one of my in-law parents or my own mom because one of us infected them with covid.
- systemtool

Good post, health over finances for sure. Agree, life has changed. There should be measures taken to help the businesses that are affected to the highest extent. It doesn't have to be complicated. We can't allow businesses to go under just because they have to pay rent. Put some financial burden on banks and companies like Amazon. No company on Earth has profited more by the pandemic than Amazon.

In summary: You have nothing to lose from lockdowns and refuse to give any consideration to those who have everything to lose from lockdowns.
- Leafs43

That was a pathetic comment by him.

Apparently anyone who is struggling is because they chose to buy fancy cars and extra TV channels.

Nobody is suffering from Mental health disorders and anyone who owns a restaurant is just a rich snob who owns fancy cars.

Good post, health over finances for sure. Agree, life has changed. There should be measures taken to help the businesses that are affected to the highest extent. I doesn't have to be complicated. We can't allow businesses to go under just because they have to pay rent. Put some financial burden on banks and companies like Amazon. No company on Earth has profited more by the pandemic than Amazon.
- winsix

The cons against a lockdown isn't just because of finances.

Not everyone has a neurotypical Brain either, a lockdown does far more damage for some than others.

I am happy for you that a lockdown would help you out, and any close to you. Try to understand its not the same for everyone else.

Not everyone has your life or mental health.

Uhmmm there is more to health than just covid. Try to understand that.

And very insensitive, yeah people who own restaurants and sports businesses should of foreseen this. They should have been prepared for this. Give me a break.

Come on man, everyone isnt in the same situation as you, physical and mental health wise, show some compassion.
- Santo_44

You should have the brains not to give a retort to that kinda comment.

I mean; where to start...?

You should have the brains not to give a retort to that kinda comment.

I mean; where to start...?
- 21peter

It just hits close to home man, I get pretty fired up about people like this.

So many people suffer in silence and people like this make it worse. I have to say something when I can.

The cons against a lockdown isn't just because of finances.

Not everyone has a neurotypical Brain either, a lockdown does far more damage for some than others.

I am happy for you that a lockdown would help you out, and any close to you. Try to understand its not the same for everyone else.

Not everyone has your life or mental health.
- Santo_44

I never mentioned a lockdown, however if we go there, exponential growth of this virus when we know there is a reasonable chance that an effective vaccine is close to release is unacceptable. We have to look at minimizing activities that create the largest chance of increasing the number of cases. We want this virus eliminated worldwide, only way to do it is to have an effective plan. Use science and knowledge to fix the issue, not pick our spots and use patchwork.

Support at the beginning is not evidence of support now.

We do not have unlimited financial resources to continue to compensate people and businesses for lockdowns and restrictions. I think the average person is starting to think that the negative consequences to Covid lockdowns and restrictions are worse than the effects of the virus itself.
- Leafs43

Most people think the average person agrees with them.

In fact, 72% of Canadians believe that preventing the spread of Covid is more important than preventing economic fallout and job loss. This was from a month ago and I would bet that view has hardened as the virus has worsened. A more recent poll showed 2/3s of Canadians would support a nighttime curfew to slow the spread.

Slowing the spread now will cost less than dealing with a completely out of control pandemic later. These are limited shutdowns with schools open. The next steps will be more expensive. Watch what will happen Un the US as the lesson for us.

I never mentioned a lockdown, however if we go there, exponential growth of this virus when we know there is a reasonable chance that an effective vaccine is close to release is unacceptable. We have to look at minimizing activities that create the largest chance of increasing the number of cases. We want this virus eliminated worldwide, only way to do it is to have an effective plan. Use science and knowledge to fix the issue, not pick our spots and use patchwork.
- winsix

Yeah we aren't doing this.

People are binging McDonalds and all the media has been pushing is limiting contact. There are plenty of other ways we could be curbing this virus with our health and there hasn't been any sort of push for this.

How will people exercise this winter? Lets close the gyms...sure. Now what? Go buy a 1K treadmill? Go run out in -8 degree weather?

Also mental health is extremely important.

We cant have tunnel vision here.

Most people think the average person agrees with them.

In fact, 72% of Canadians believe that preventing the spread of Covid is more important than preventing economic fallout and job loss. This was from a month ago and I would bet that view has hardened as the virus has worsened. A more recent poll showed 2/3s of Canadians would support a nighttime curfew to slow the spread.

Slowing the spread now will cost less than dealing with a completely out of control pandemic later. These are limited shutdowns with schools open. The next steps will be more expensive. Watch what will happen Un the US as the lesson for us.
- Canada Cup

A sample size of 1000 people? Ok yeah. Real accurate.

What community was this poll conducted in? high class? middle class? lower class? Those polls are bs.

I think this is what Ford has been trying to communicate. There are a lot of businesses operating with extremely safe measures in an attempt to prevent transmission of the virus in their place of business. The media seem to pick up on a few businesses that aren't following guidelines and use those to justify lockdowns.

Lockdowns do seem insane at this point.. I am willing to bet that the majority of people calling for lockdowns have little to lose from a large scale lockdown.
- Leafs43

I am willing to bet the people most vocally calling for lockdowns are epidemiologists, public health specialists and doctors and nurses treating the dead and dying.