Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Myers, Alumni, TIFH

Provy, sanheim, Meyers, we really do have some great home grown D. Hoping a couple other prospects can come along as well. We could end up with that Nashville type unit.

The difference in pro games played, points and the current cap climate suggest he should probably get offered less than Sanheim.

Even though I feel strongly that Myers will ultimately become the better dman.

The difference in pro games played, points and the current cap climate suggest he should probably get offered less than Sanheim.

Even though I feel strongly that Myers will ultimately become the better dman.
- Tomahawk

I do too.

That is the kind of player I would frankly be ok taking a gamble on. A 4-5 year deal at 4.5 say.

Provy, sanheim, Meyers, we really do have some great home grown D. Hoping a couple other prospects can come along as well. We could end up with that Nashville type unit.
- ClaudeFather

How many cups did Nashville win? Must have been a few, under that modern mastermind Barry Trotz?

How many cups did Nashville win? Must have been a few, under that modern mastermind Barry Trotz?
- PT21

Was just suggesting we would have great home grown defensive depth, I see you tried to spin it into a negative but what else is new.

Was just suggesting we would have great home grown defensive depth, I see you tried to spin it into a negative but what else is new.
- ClaudeFather

I do too.

That is the kind of player I would frankly be ok taking a gamble on. A 4-5 year deal at 4.5 say.
- PT21

With only 4.8 of cap space they will have a lot of trouble doing that unless they trade someone first.

I see him signing a bridge deal, 2 years at 2.75 aav. (ish)

How many cups did Nashville win? Must have been a few, under that guy from my evulution chart mastermind Barry Trotz?
- PT21

Yea, he kinda look like one of the first men on earth 🤣

Yea, he kinda look like one of the first men on earth 🤣
- Landsbergfan

I always thought he looked like one of those characters from Beetelguice.

Was just suggesting we would have great home grown defensive depth, I see you tried to spin it into a negative but what else is new.
- ClaudeFather

Sorry, I don't engage in spin. I am just dismissive of lazy arguments.

The ultimate objective is to win. Those Nashville teams won nothing with great defensive depth. There is nothing to admire about them. There is nothing to emulate.

Period.

Saying that they didn’t win is the lazy argument. Being a team that had, drafted and developed many strong d men is something to emulate. You don’t do what they did with their forwards. No. And don’t blame Trotz. Minus his d his teams were pretty weak. And look at what he was able to accomplish esp on a team who wasn’t on a tight budget.

Saying that they didn’t win is the lazy argument. Being a team that had, drafted and developed many s men is something to emulate. You don’t do what they did with their forwards. No. And don’t blame Trotz. Minus his d his teams were pretty weak. And look at what he was able to accomplish esp on a team who wasn’t on a tight budget.
- Peter Richards

anytime you can draft and build out your D, there is something to look at. The Preds had a very small window it seems but for a couple seasons they looked like they were going to get a cup. Just shows how hard it is.

Was just suggesting we would have great home grown defensive depth, I see you tried to spin it into a negative but what else is new.
- ClaudeFather

I guess we can back go back to the previous modus operandi and blow all of our salary cap on FA defenseman. No need to build and develop a stable of young, cost controlled defenseman in a salary cap world, I guess. Problem solved.

I guess we can back go back to the previous modus operandi and blow all of our salary cap on FA defenseman. Problem solved.
- Sublime55

The formula to win is written. Only one team per year is allowed to follow the formula though.

With only 4.8 of cap space they will have a lot of trouble doing that unless they trade someone first.

I see him signing a bridge deal, 2 years at 2.75 aav. (ish)
- MBFlyerfan

That sounds about right.

anytime you can draft and build out your D, there is something to look at. The Preds had a very small window it seems but for a couple seasons they looked like they were going to get a cup. Just shows how hard it is.
- wcorvette

The Predators issues were, they never built anything through the middle, you just simply can’t win without a #1 center, and, they were just too mediocre all the time to draft at the top where the best players are.

Saying that they didn’t win is the lazy argument. Being a team that had, drafted and developed many strong d men is something to emulate. You don’t do what they did with their forwards. No. And don’t blame Trotz. Minus his d his teams were pretty weak. And look at what he was able to accomplish esp on a team who wasn’t on a tight budget.
- Peter Richards

Agreed....the argument you are responding to is an example of a post hoc fallacy.

Provy, sanheim, Meyers, we really do have some great home grown D. Hoping a couple other prospects can come along as well. We could end up with that Nashville type unit.
- ClaudeFather

that's not good we need a sniper that can put up goals

Saying that they didn’t win is the lazy argument. Being a team that had, drafted and developed many strong d men is something to emulate. You don’t do what they did with their forwards. No. And don’t blame Trotz. Minus his d his teams were pretty weak. And look at what he was able to accomplish esp on a team who wasn’t on a tight budget.
- Peter Richards

Nashville is a poor example. They put forward a bottom heavy team, with a very good goalie, in a defensive system.

Amd failed to win with multiple tries.

Choosing only the good part of Nashvilke and ignoring the bad part suggests they are independent. Why did Nashville not develop their forward corps? If you look at the answer to that question, I bet you will find it correlated with the development of their defensive depth.

Agreed....the argument you are responding to is an example of a post hoc fallacy.
- Sublime55

Nope.

Nashville is a poor example. They put forward a bottom heavy team, with a very good goalie, in a defensive system.

Amd failed to win with multiple tries.

Choosing only the good part of Nashvilke and ignoring the bad part suggests they are independent. Why did Nashville not develop their forward corps? If you look at the answer to that question, I bet you will find it correlated with the development of their defensive depth.
- PT21

So you are saying its not good that the Flyers developing a strong young defense core? Because, I gotta say, that is all he was saying.

The Predators issues were, they never built anything through the middle, you just simply can’t win without a #1 center, and, they were just too mediocre all the time to draft at the top where the best players are.
- Dave21Brown

yeah the Seth Jones trade to fill the middle was OOPS

Nope.
- PT21

Sorry bud, it is

So you are saying its not good that the Flyers developing a strong young defense core? Because, I gotta say, that is all he was saying.
- MBFlyerfan

Lol exactly, my direct words were Nashville type unit, as in defensive unit. Nothing to do with any other part of their team but people will do anything to try and paint our team in a negative light.