https://sabrenoise.com/2020/11/11/buffalo-sabres-will-borgen-nhl-time/amp/

Just trade Montour for whatever. They could sign Soderberg, use Borgen in a depth role (or higher) and they would be so much better.

I dont care if Sabres management gets a mid round pick and a mediocre prospect for Montour. If they use the cap space on a goalie or another 3rd liner, it's worth it
- jcragcrumple

Montour is way better than you think. Borgen doesn’t not deserve a shot yet.

Drink less, read more

Hoffman doesn’t score only PP goals
18 of his 29 goals were even strength- 62%
Olofsson scored under half his goals 5v5
So not quite the same

And Olofsson got much better 5v5 as the year progressed. He was just a rookie, so it’s reasonable to think he can continue to improve
- jdfitz77

Sure, and the 40 goals against he’s on the ice for at 5v5 makes the fact that he scores 18 goals moot.

He’s an asset on the man advantage and a liability at even strength.

National Hockey League forwards reach their peak scoring performance at age 28 and defencemen peak at age 29, while goaltenders show little change in performance based on age, says a new study that crunched the numbers.

Those are the key findings of a study by the UBC business school that looked at the data from the 14 regular seasons between 1997-98 and 2011-12.

For co-author James Brander, the bottom line of their study is that "the key to winning is having good, young players."

"This study provides a more complete and more accurate assessment of how that works," he added.

The study will be published in the June issue of the Journal of Quantitative Analysis in Sports. Brander's co-authors are Edward Egan and Louisa Yeung. They analyzed peak performance in a number of ways, but the statistics they relied on were regular season points scored and plus-minus for skaters and save percentage for goalies.

Brander's team also found that forwards:

Improve more quickly than they decline and typically begin "a significant decline in their early 30s."
Perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 32 years old.
25 is their most common age, with 24-27 very similar.


*Girgensons contract is looking like a steal for the Buffalo Sabres. (Kidding)

Who and Why did they give him this contract?
Who should be blamed?

The market did probably re-set a bit after ufa ended
- Hall&Eich's-28

Who cares how much we overpaid for Girgs.

700k. Whoopty freaking do.

Skinner is overpaid by 2.5 million and okposo is overpaid by 3 to 4 million

So 700 K or a few million overpaid

Which is worse

Big decision. It's happy hour at Starbucks. What shall I order ? I'm thinking Mocha Cookie Crumble Frappuccino or maybe a Salted Caramel Cream Cold Brew.
- kritter65

Kinda funny that I am drinking a mocha cookie frapp from Starbucks as I read this

Edit- yes I am a basic female dog

Montour is way better than you think. Borgen doesn’t not deserve a shot yet.

Drink less, read more
- Sabretooth9

I dont care if it's Miller, Montour or Risto who they move. Borgen will be 24 when the season starts so it's getting to the now-or-never phase to see if he should be protected in the expansion. Moving one of the 3 above allows him to transition to the NHL as a 6/7 D while not counting on him to be anything good. Id like to see what he's got, especially because he adds a different physical dynamic to the defense

Yeah, because you don’t know which Allen you are getting. I get ripped a new one because I point out Allen sucked during the titans, jets, chiefs, and patriots game.

And everyone can just see the Seahawks game where the hawks defense is shattering the single season passing yards against record.

Blind and bias. Someone on another site was convinced the bills are super bowl contenders 😂😂😂
- Sabretooth9

The only bad games I see are the Titans, and just as much blame should be put on the defense, and KC. Jets game he was 30 of 43 for 310yrds, NE they just ran the ball.

Yeah, because you don’t know which Allen you are getting. I get ripped a new one because I point out Allen sucked during the titans, jets, chiefs, and patriots game.

And everyone can just see the Seahawks game where the hawks defense is shattering the single season passing yards against record.

Blind and bias. Someone on another site was convinced the bills are super bowl contenders 😂😂😂
- Sabretooth9

Russel Wilson had 3 turnovers in the first 5 games.

Has 7 in the last two.

Wonder what Wilson they are getting this week

Who cares how much we overpaid for Girgs.

700k. Whoopty freaking do.

Skinner is overpaid by 2.5 million and okposo is overpaid by 3 to 4 million

So 700 K or a few million overpaid

Which is worse
- Sabretooth9

All of the above.

Russel Wilson had 3 turnovers in the first 5 games.

Has 7 in the last two.

Wonder what Wilson they are getting this week
- sbroads24

Goes to show you how important Chris Carson is to that offence.

Big decision. It's happy hour at Starbucks. What shall I order ? I'm thinking Mocha Cookie Crumble Frappuccino or maybe a Salted Caramel Cream Cold Brew.
- kritter65

Go to a bar and help a local business survive.

Goes to show you how important Chris Carson is to that offence.
- Pegullaville

Carson is great but I’m not sure how that really correlates with a few bad interceptions and fumbles.

In fact Carson had 7 fumbles himself last season

Kinda funny that I am drinking a mocha cookie frapp from Starbucks as I read this

Edit- yes I am a basic female dog
- sbroads24

That's what I went with. So good !

The only bad games I see are the Titans, and just as much blame should be put on the defense, and KC. Jets game he was 30 of 43 for 310yrds, NE they just ran the ball.
- Buff36

Jets game vs the leagues worse team ...... 0 tds

Russel Wilson had 3 turnovers in the first 5 games.

Has 7 in the last two.

Wonder what Wilson they are getting this week
- sbroads24

Wilson is a proven nfl QB ..... with years of production under his belt

Allen has 5 out of 9 good games.

3 of those wins were playing one of the worse teams and defenses in the nfl

So excuse me for not being bias or blind

I dont care if it's Miller, Montour or Risto who they move. Borgen will be 24 when the season starts so it's getting to the now-or-never phase to see if he should be protected in the expansion. Moving one of the 3 above allows him to transition to the NHL as a 6/7 D while not counting on him to be anything good. Id like to see what he's got, especially because he adds a different physical dynamic to the defense
- jcragcrumple

So if a prospect turns 24 the Sabres should automatically give him a spot?

Borgen isn’t nhl ready yet. Don’t read into everything.

Who cares how much we overpaid for Girgs.

700k. Whoopty freaking do.

Skinner is overpaid by 2.5 million and okposo is overpaid by 3 to 4 million

So 700 K or a few million overpaid

Which is worse
- Sabretooth9

Okposo, as he is a 4th liner at 1st line salary.

Girgs Covid comparable might be KaBOOM! At $975k...so $1.3m / $2.2m = 59% over payment
Skinner $2.5 is probably high if avg production is considered, but $2.5m / $9.0m = 26%
Okposo, if we use the avg of $3.50...$3.5m / $6.0m = 58%...very close, it's probably close to $3.75 / $6.0 = 63%
- all figures rounded.

Okposo = 63% overpayment
Girgensons = 59% overpayment
Skinner = 26% overpayment

Wilson is a proven nfl QB ..... with years of production under his belt

Allen has 5 out of 9 good games.

3 of those wins were playing one of the worse teams and defenses in the nfl

So excuse me for not being bias or blind
- Sabretooth9

He’s played 3 seasons. This 5/9 thing doesn’t hold up for you or Fitz.

Year 2 was better than year 1. Year three has been a giant leap from year 2.

I already posted what his last 16 games has been.

4,024 passing yards, 29 passing TD’s, and 10 rushing TD’s with 7 or 8 picks (forgot which one)

It’s now been at least 16 games he’s been an above average starter with the last 9 being......elite

Carson is great but I’m not sure how that really correlates with a few bad interceptions and fumbles.

In fact Carson had 7 fumbles himself last season
- sbroads24

Adds another play maker to the offence, perhaps a few more hand offs too.

Could set up better down and distances and more favourable passing distances

He’s played 3 seasons. This 5/9 thing doesn’t hold up for you or Fitz.

Year 2 was better than year 1. Year three has been a giant leap from year 2.

I already posted what his last 16 games has been.

4,024 passing yards, 29 passing TD’s, and 10 rushing TD’s with 7 or 8 picks (forgot which one)

It’s now been at least 16 games he’s been an above average starter with the last 9 being......elite
- sbroads24

We can only consider stats in the current year. Stats from season before are archived and are therefore unavailable for active consideration...just there to look at in awe.

We can only consider stats in the current year. Stats from season before are archived and are therefore unavailable for active consideration...just there to look at in awe.
- IonSabres

Point is he’s been steadily getting better from game 1 to now. This isn’t some random sample size in the middle.

He’s really good. It’s decided. There’s no going back

So if a prospect turns 24 the Sabres should automatically give him a spot?

Borgen isn’t nhl ready yet. Don’t read into everything.
- Sabretooth9

Automatically? No. But they could lose a RHD he still wouldn't be guaranteed a spot, but he'd have an opportunity to earn one. Currently with four RHD he won't be given that shot

Just saw a clip of the Music City Miracle (again).

How the frank was that not ruled a forward pass?

Go to a bar and help a local business survive.
- IonSabres

And tip a minimum 25%

Sure, and the 40 goals against he’s on the ice for at 5v5 makes the fact that he scores 18 goals moot.

He’s an asset on the man advantage and a liability at even strength.
- Pegullaville

A little over-simplified, IMO, as there are four other players out there, and a goalie. If guys like Matheson and Yandle are your D-pairing, even Datsyuk’s numbers would suffer. Trocheck was his center a lot of games, Vinny is not the most defensively aware player, either. I’m not trying to say that hoff is some defensive stalwart, but his increased effort without the puck was noticeable this past season.

Wilson is a proven nfl QB ..... with years of production under his belt

Allen has 5 out of 9 good games.

3 of those wins were playing one of the worse teams and defenses in the nfl

So excuse me for not being bias or blind
- Sabretooth9

Or more accurately Allen has 5 tremendous games, 3 good games and 1 below average games, but make up Sh&t as much as you want