Reality is trump made it okay to racist again and that mentality still jives with a lot of Americans.
- joel878

Looks like it.
But the dems have to change parts of their platform....cause not racist enough

And on the flip side if you're the REP you look at why he might lose.

Losing Arizona likely due to his comments and policy on Mexico and the Dreamers. If it goes that way does the party ask was that 50' of fence worth that loss?

And I'm less sure what the analysis might show about Wisconsin and Michigan if he loses there. Black vote? So was his stance on BLM what cost him there if it goes that way?
- The Law

I don't even know where the republicans go from here. Hopefully away from Trumpism.

But Trump is a monumentally bad politician. Anyway you slice it. Yet he still got massive amount of votes. I don't like the Democrats chances against an actual candidate in 4 years if they can barely squeek out a win against Trump after four years.

The Democrats (and myself) are clearly missing something. You can either assume you already know what that "something" is, or you can work to better understand the population who voted for Trump.

Looks like it.
But the dems have to change parts of their platform....cause not racist enough
- Fakepartofme

That SmartLess with Brendan Shanahan podcast that you talked about a couple days ago was good.

Really good podcast is general, been listening to a few episodes on it.

So it appears you like option 2 then.

I think it's a losing strategy. But go off.
- Leafs43

Why is it either/or. Supporting someone who you know will implement racist policies is a racist act. I don’t care if it’s because you like the tax cuts or the judges or that you’re sad because of your economic situation. That doesn’t mean that I think that they’re irredeemable or that they haven’t been (frank)ed over or that economic and social policy shouldn’t be radically changed. It should but it doesn’t forgive the behaviour and the vote.

That SmartLess with Brendan Shanahan podcast that you talked about a couple days ago was good.

Really good podcast is general, been listening to a few episodes on it.
- bryant

Im not a big Podcaster, but once in while, depending who they have on ill listen to theirs.
Can be pretty funny.

Trump already demanding a recount in Wisconsin.

And on the flip side if you're the REP you look at why he might lose.

Losing Arizona likely due to his comments and policy on Mexico and the Dreamers. If it goes that way does the party ask was that 50' of fence worth that loss?

And I'm less sure what the analysis might show about Wisconsin and Michigan if he loses there. Black vote? So was his stance on BLM what cost him there if it goes that way?
- The Law

Mexico has fairly high security on their southern border. I'm not certain that the 'wall' is as big as an issue that it's made out to be.

I get the feeling many Mexican-Americans don't see their parties really listening or dealing with the real issues affecting them. e.g. to many poopty schools in AZ.

Talking politics is so emotionally charged; it's hard to even have a conversation.

Trump already demanding a recount in Wisconsin.
- 21peter

he is going to use his fingers and toes this time

And on the flip side if you're the REP you look at why he might lose.

Losing Arizona likely due to his comments and policy on Mexico and the Dreamers. If it goes that way does the party ask was that 50' of fence worth that loss?

And I'm less sure what the analysis might show about Wisconsin and Michigan if he loses there. Black vote? So was his stance on BLM what cost him there if it goes that way?
- The Law

Demographic changes was probably the biggest factor for Arizona.

Consistently insulting John McCain probably didn't help either.

Demographic changes was probably the biggest factor for Arizona.

Consistently insulting John McCain probably didn't help either.
- Atomic Wedgie

Exactly.

Why is it either/or. Supporting someone who you know will implement racist policies is a racist act. I don’t care if it’s because you like the tax cuts or the judges or that you’re sad because of your economic situation. That doesn’t mean that I think that they’re irredeemable or that they haven’t been (frank)ed over or that economic and social policy shouldn’t be radically changed. It should but it doesn’t forgive the behaviour and the vote.
- Chunga’s Revenge

So is the whole country racist since there were 2 equally racist individuals on the ballot?

Harris - Hillary from July 2021 onwards is the world's worst nightmare.

I don't care about US internal politics -- I just want the best outcome for Europe and the rest of the world; and strangely enough, that is Trump winning the US elections again..

Why is it either/or. Supporting someone who you know will implement racist policies is a racist act. I don’t care if it’s because you like the tax cuts or the judges or that you’re sad because of your economic situation. That doesn’t mean that I think that they’re irredeemable or that they haven’t been (frank)ed over or that economic and social policy shouldn’t be radically changed. It should but it doesn’t forgive the behaviour and the vote.
- Chunga’s Revenge

Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you racist.

I read that Trump received more black and Hispanic votes this year. That surprises me. I'm going to try to understand why they would vote for Trump. You keep calling them racist.

Mexico has fairly high security on their southern border. I'm not certain that the 'wall' is as big as an issue that it's made out to be.

I get the feeling many Mexican-Americans don't see their parties really listening or dealing with the real issues affecting them. e.g. to many poopty schools in AZ.

Talking politics is so emotionally charged; it's hard to even have a conversation.
- Tumbleweed

Ya you'd know better than me (you're in Zona, no?). I know Romero was said to be doing a pretty good job making that a voting issue.

And yes it's hard. In Canada it's hard ...I can't even imagine how hard it is in these swing states in the US.

Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you racist.

I read that Trump received more black and Hispanic votes this year. That surprises me. I'm going to try to understand why they would vote for Trump. You keep calling them racist.
- Leafs43

Because Trump largely pitched to Hispanics that a vote for Biden was a vote for socialism, and it went completely unchecked by Bidens camp. This has been covered at length.

I don't even know where the republicans go from here. Hopefully away from Trumpism.

But Trump is a monumentally bad politician. Anyway you slice it. Yet he still got massive amount of votes. I don't like the Democrats chances against an actual candidate in 4 years if they can barely squeek out a win against Trump after four years.

The Democrats (and myself) are clearly missing something. You can either assume you already know what that "something" is, or you can work to better understand the population who voted for Trump.
- Leafs43

The problem for the Republicans is that they’re stuck between winning and a repudiation of Trumpism. For worse or worser, it’s still the dominant force in the party. Don Jr believe it or not is a power. He’s done an awful lot if roadwork for candidates around the country. I guess it will depend on who won and lost in the House and Senate.

I’m not sure if a moderate can get anywhere in the party right now. Maybe they go with a different whacked out hardliner like Tim Cotton.

How the Dems read this election is also interesting. Biden sold himself as someone who could attract those Trumpy type voters - guy from Scranton but they’re stuck to the Orange man. Do they go progressive next time?

Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you racist.

I read that Trump received more black and Hispanic votes this year. That surprises me. I'm going to try to understand why they would vote for Trump. You keep calling them racist.
- Leafs43

Any link for that? Curious about that too.

I know he found a lot of Cuban and Venezuelan support in the FLA but I'd be curious to see the breakdown of the Hispanic vote.

The problem for the Republicans is that they’re stuck between winning and a repudiation of Trumpism. For worse or worser, it’s still the dominant force in the party. Don Jr believe it or not is a power. He’s done an awful lot if roadwork for candidates around the country. I guess it will depend on who won and lost in the House and Senate.

I’m not sure if a moderate can get anywhere in the party right now. Maybe they go with a different whacked out hardliner like Tim Cotton.

How the Dems read this election is also interesting. Biden sold himself as someone who could attract those Trumpy type voters - guy from Scranton but they’re stuck to the Orange man. Do they go progressive next time?
- Chunga’s Revenge

Press X to doubt.

Any link for that? Curious about that too.

I know he found a lot of Cuban and Venezuelan support in the FLA but I'd be curious to see the breakdown of the Hispanic vote.
- The Law

One of the talking heads on one of the channels last night urged everyone to quit talking about "the Hispanic vote" - because it's far too broad and diverse a group to be lumped together.

One of the talking heads on one of the channels last night urged everyone to quit talking about "the Hispanic vote" - because it's far too broad and diverse a group to be lumped together.
- Atomic Wedgie

and yet all 'blacks' are alike?
people are dumb

One of the talking heads on one of the channels last night urged everyone to quit talking about "the Hispanic vote" - because it's far too broad and diverse a group to be lumped together.
- Atomic Wedgie

Every demo is too diverse to lump together. It's why talking heads do it. It's way easier that way.

Harris - Hillary from July 2021 onwards is the world's worst nightmare.

I don't care about US internal politics -- I just want the best outcome for Europe and the rest of the world; and strangely enough, that is Trump winning the US elections again..
- MaximusAurelius

The problem for the Republicans is that they’re stuck between winning and a repudiation of Trumpism. For worse or worser, it’s still the dominant force in the party. Don Jr believe it or not is a power. He’s done an awful lot if roadwork for candidates around the country. I guess it will depend on who won and lost in the House and Senate.

I’m not sure if a moderate can get anywhere in the party right now. Maybe they go with a different whacked out hardliner like Tim Cotton.

How the Dems read this election is also interesting. Biden sold himself as someone who could attract those Trumpy type voters - guy from Scranton but they’re stuck to the Orange man. Do they go progressive next time?
- Chunga’s Revenge

It's now the party of anger.

The Tea Party swore they were all about a reduction on government spending and a lowering of the deficit (lower taxes too, of course).

Trump ballooned both government spending and the deficit (and debt, of course), and you didn't hear a single franking peep out of a single franking Republican, especially those angry voices who have morphed from Tea Baggers (yeah, that's on purpose) to Trumpists. Hell, Rush Limbaugh openly said that deficits don't matter.

The current economic system is broken, resulting in a lot of raw anger. The Republican Party knows how to harness that anger.

Every demo is too diverse to lump together. It's why talking heads do it. It's way easier that way.
- AdamFrench

Like Obama said in 2004,

The pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue states-red states for Republicans, blue states for Democrats.

One of the talking heads on one of the channels last night urged everyone to quit talking about "the Hispanic vote" - because it's far too broad and diverse a group to be lumped together.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yup, when my kids ask for Mexican I don't make them a cuban sandwich.

I made/devoured the best cuban sandwich last night.