yeah, it's not the first time you bring up "fascism", but I'd be careful going to such an extreme... we're not talking about Stalin and Hitler here. I get certain comparisons, how he's a charismatic egocentric megalomaniac, but going there is still exaggerated and won't solve anything imho
- Pat1993

Look at their MO ... that's how it started.
Trump even embraces extreme right wing morons.

If they want to throw the "socialist" epithet around, the same should be thrown at them.

- Pat1993

We'd all do that too if we looked like him

yeah I usually very much enjoy being cynically sarcastic but in Trump's case I just can't do it lol
- Pat1993

I respect that pat.

But, I have to say, the way the msm has been treating him for the last 4 years, you gotta go with the underdog, no?

He doesn't know the definition. He made up his own and applied it to him.

I'm sure he'll bore us with it, which will lead us to hoping the constant coffee talk returns.
- mr.peanut

see I find it's interesting to hear a different point of view, as long as the conversation remains "respectful"... that's why I kinda like Pete, I disagree with 97% of what he says but he's not a complete bumhole (well, most of the time anyway... lololol)

I respect that pat.

But, I have to say, the way the msm has been treating him for the last 4 years, you gotta go with the underdog, no?
- pete26

msm...?

We'd all do that too if we looked like him
- mr.peanut

He doesn't know the definition. He made up his own and applied it to him.

I'm sure he'll bore us with it, which will lead us to hoping the constant coffee talk returns.
- mr.peanut

Speaking of boring us ... your runs and coffee sure are a nail bitting subject every morning.

Look at their MO ... that's how it started.
Trump even embraces extreme right wing morons.

If they want to throw the "socialist" epithet around, the same should be thrown at them.
- Garfield512

adding fuel to the fire? come on... the only way things could actually change is through civilized debates and real conversations. we're miles away from that (although I still consider Canada to be a bit closer lol) but it's something 'Muricans should be aiming for.

msm...?
- Pat1993

Come on..

see I find it's interesting to hear a different point of view, as long as the conversation remains "respectful"... that's why I kinda like Pete, I disagree with 97% of what he says but he's not a complete bumhole (well, most of the time anyway... lololol)
- Pat1993

I like hearing different points of view as well, but how long would you want to hear a pov telling you the sky is green?

I'm not sure what this means...

and if by "getting poop done" you mean "dividing the country, creating more hatred and conflict than anything, and saying the most absurd (frank)ing things", than I totally agree with you
- Pat1993

If you don't know what that means, then put your best effort forth to try an put your hatred for Trump aside and re-examine.

Again, I am not a MAGA guy, and was never a fan of Trump by any stretch of the imagination. As for get poop done, not a single President or Prime Minister has come close to coming even remotely close to delivering on his campaign promises (what got him elected), like Trump has. Chretien would be a fairly distant second, and he is by miles my favorite PM of my lifetime.

What has Trump done? Let's look at his election promises.

-I will deliver jobs, bring manufacturing back home. (Done, though there is more to do)

-We will have the best economy this country has ever seen. (Done)

-I will bring our troops back home from illegitimate, senseless wars. (Partially done)

-I will let other nations, take care of their own problems. We are not the worlds policemen. (Done). First President in modern history to not attack another country.

-I will cut regulations like no one in history. (Done, done, and done)

-I will end terrorism, and fast. (As done as can be) This cannot be denied, terrorists are on the run "bigly". (Pun intended)

-I will negotiate new trade deals. America have been taken advantage of for too long. (Again, done, done, and done)

-I will put America first. Again, see all above and below. (Done)

-I will build a wall to stop criminals, drugs, and the scourge of human trafficking. (Partially done, and still being built to this day)

- I will deliver for minorities as opposed to lip service provided by previous administrations be they republicans or democrats. (Done) Lowest unemployment rates for minorities in history. Highest approval ratings for a repulican President amongst minorities in modern history, and it's not even close.

-I will rebuild and modernise our millitary. (Done)

-I will nominate judges that hold views true to the constitution of the United States of America. (Done, done, done and done done done) Be it the supreme court or circuit judges.

-Said he had zero issues with Gay marriage. (Done) First President in the entire history of the United States to walk into the White House and openly said, I approve of gay marriage. Even Obama was NOT willing to do that.

As for division, are you sure that was caused by Trump or his opposition along with their partners in the media? They started saying he was racist after playing a loop of Trump saying regarding mexicans: "Their murderers, crooks, rapists and drug dealers". The only problem with that is that it's not even remotely close to what he had said, they purposefully edited out the previous sentence. What he actually said: "Do you think Mexico is sending us their best? No. They are sending us their murderers, crooks, rapists and drug dealers". And he was speaking of illegal immigration btw, not legal. But the opposition, Democrats + Never Trump Republicans, and their friends in the media, chose to propogate an absolute falsehood. Then, the hyperventilating never-Trumpers chose to swallow that absolute tripe simply because, well: Orange Man Bad.

Again, not a fan of Trump the man, but there is no way to deny what he has accomplished unless you allow yourself to be guided by your hatred of the man. If you are able to, put feelings aside, andf follow some Independent journalists, not the poop coming from the airwaves, newspapers, twitter and facebook. If you do this, you simply can't deny that he is by far, the most succesful politician in our lifetime. Again, even though I disagree with some of his policies, they are the policies that got him elected, and he actually (frank)ing delivered. Very refreshing if you ask me.

Come on..
- pete26

mainstream media? I wasn't aware you were that hip Pete, jesus christ...

Speaking of boring us ... your runs and coffee sure are a nail bitting subject every morning.
- Garfield512

Well I like updating people on the real important things. And the fact that people hate makes this better.

I like hearing different points of view as well, but how long would you want to hear a pov telling you the sky is green?
- mr.peanut

... or red?

If you don't know what that means, then put your best effort forth to try an put your hatred for Trump aside and re-examine.

Again, I am not a MAGA guy, and was never a fan of Trump by any stretch of the imagination. As for get poop done, not a single President or Prime Minister has come close to coming even remotely close to delivering on his campaign promises (what got him elected), like Trump has. Chretien would be a fairly distant second, and he is by miles my favorite PM of my lifetime.

What has Trump done? Let's look at his election promises.

-I will deliver jobs, bring manufacturing back home. (Done, though there is more to do)

-We will have the best economy this country has ever seen. (Done)

-I will bring our troops back home from illegitimate, senseless wars. (Partially done)

-I will let other nations, take care of their own problems. We are not the worlds policemen. (Done). First President in modern history to not attack another country.

-I will cut regulations like no one in history. (Done, done, and done)

-I will end terrorism, and fast. (As done as can be) This cannot be denied, terrorists are on the run "bigly". (Pun intended)

-I will negotiate new trade deals. America have been taken advantage of for too long. (Again, done, done, and done)

-I will put America first. Again, see all above and below. (Done)

-I will build a wall to stop criminals, drugs, and the scourge of human trafficking. (Partially done, and still being built to this day)

- I will deliver for minorities as opposed to lip service provided by previous administrations be they republicans or democrats. (Done) Lowest unemployment rates for minorities in history. Highest approval ratings for a repulican President amongst minorities in modern history, and it's not even close.

-I will rebuild and modernise our millitary. (Done)

-I will nominate judges that hold views true to the constitution of the United States of America. (Done, done, done and done done done) Be it the supreme court or circuit judges.

-Said he had zero issues with Gay marriage. (Done) First President in the entire history of the United States to walk into the White House and openly said, I approve of gay marriage. Even Obama was NOT willing to do that.

As for division, are you sure that was caused by Trump or his opposition along with their partners in the media? They started saying he was racist after playing a loop of Trump saying regarding mexicans: "Their murderers, crooks, rapists and drug dealers". The only problem with that is that it's not even remotely close to what he had said, they purposefully edited out the previous sentence. What he actually said: "Do you think Mexico is sending us their best? No. They are sending us their murderers, crooks, rapists and drug dealers". And he was speaking of illegal immigration btw, not legal. But the opposition, Democrats + Never Trump Republicans, and their friends in the media, chose to propogate an absolute falsehood. Then, the hyperventilating never-Trumpers chose to swallow that absolute tripe simply because, well: Orange Man Bad.

Again, not a fan of Trump the man, but there is no way to deny what he has accomplished unless you allow yourself to be guided by your hatred of the man. If you are able to, put feelings aside, andf follow some Independent journalists, not the poop coming from the airwaves, newspapers, twitter and facebook. If you do this, you simply can't deny that he is by far, the most succesful politician in our lifetime. Again, even though I disagree with some of his policies, they are the policies that got him elected, and he actually (frank)ing delivered. Very refreshing if you ask me.
- habman75

Who's gonna read this?

... or red?
- Garfield512

I could have used any color

I could have used any color
- mr.peanut

adding fuel to the fire? come on... the only way things could actually change is through civilized debates and real conversations. we're miles away from that (although I still consider Canada to be a bit closer lol) but it's something 'Muricans should be aiming for.
- Pat1993

Just calling how it is ... if they want to go to extremes with epithets, so should the opposing side.

Look at their MO ... that's how it started.
Trump even embraces extreme right wing morons.

If they want to throw the "socialist" epithet around, the same should be thrown at them.
- Garfield512

Oh FFS!

Where and when? Is it the absolute falsehood that Trump said there are some very fine people on both sides? You know when the media went on overdrive saying he was speaking of white supremacists? Because even (frank)ing Jake Tapper completely debunked that. So show me one, just one example of where Trump embraced "extreme right wing morons".

Alright goodnight.

Will provide running and coffee updates when I return

Who's gonna read this?
- mr.peanut

Anyone inteested in actual facts. It takes effort to get actual facts, you are not going to get it from the CBC, Toronto Sun or Toronto Star. You need to do research yourself. And unless you are willing to do that, then you choose to be misinformed.

Oh FFS!

Where and when? Is it the absolute falsehood that Trump said there are some very fine people on both sides? You know when the media went on overdrive saying he was speaking of white supremacists? Because even (frank)ing Jake Tapper completely debunked that. So show me one, just one example of where Trump embraced "extreme right wing morons".
- habman75

The Proud Boys are a far-right gang. Trump boosted them on national TV
https://www.theguardian.c...osted-them-on-national-tv

Trump Won’t Commit to ‘Peaceful’ Post-Election Transfer of Power
https://www.nytimes.com/2...ansfer-2020-election.html

Get your head out of your rectum ... you need air.

Just calling how it is ... if they want to go to extremes with epithets, so should the opposing side.
- Garfield512

I only see one side using epiphets. And they use it ad-nauseum the minute someone disagrees with them.

I only see one side using epiphets. And they use it ad-nauseum the minute someone disagrees with them.
- habman75

I know the truth hurts ... but the GOP actually said those things.
https://www.politifact.co...se-claim-biden-socialist/

If you don't know what that means, then put your best effort forth to try an put your hatred for Trump aside and re-examine.

Again, I am not a MAGA guy, and was never a fan of Trump by any stretch of the imagination. As for get poop done, not a single President or Prime Minister has come close to coming even remotely close to delivering on his campaign promises (what got him elected), like Trump has. Chretien would be a fairly distant second, and he is by miles my favorite PM of my lifetime.

What has Trump done? Let's look at his election promises.

-I will deliver jobs, bring manufacturing back home. (Done, though there is more to do)

-We will have the best economy this country has ever seen. (Done)

-I will bring our troops back home from illegitimate, senseless wars. (Partially done)

-I will let other nations, take care of their own problems. We are not the worlds policemen. (Done). First President in modern history to not attack another country.

-I will cut regulations like no one in history. (Done, done, and done)

-I will end terrorism, and fast. (As done as can be) This cannot be denied, terrorists are on the run "bigly". (Pun intended)

-I will negotiate new trade deals. America have been taken advantage of for too long. (Again, done, done, and done)

-I will put America first. Again, see all above and below. (Done)

-I will build a wall to stop criminals, drugs, and the scourge of human trafficking. (Partially done, and still being built to this day)

- I will deliver for minorities as opposed to lip service provided by previous administrations be they republicans or democrats. (Done) Lowest unemployment rates for minorities in history. Highest approval ratings for a repulican President amongst minorities in modern history, and it's not even close.

-I will rebuild and modernise our millitary. (Done)

-I will nominate judges that hold views true to the constitution of the United States of America. (Done, done, done and done done done) Be it the supreme court or circuit judges.

-Said he had zero issues with Gay marriage. (Done) First President in the entire history of the United States to walk into the White House and openly said, I approve of gay marriage. Even Obama was NOT willing to do that.

As for division, are you sure that was caused by Trump or his opposition along with their partners in the media? They started saying he was racist after playing a loop of Trump saying regarding mexicans: "Their murderers, crooks, rapists and drug dealers". The only problem with that is that it's not even remotely close to what he had said, they purposefully edited out the previous sentence. What he actually said: "Do you think Mexico is sending us their best? No. They are sending us their murderers, crooks, rapists and drug dealers". And he was speaking of illegal immigration btw, not legal. But the opposition, Democrats + Never Trump Republicans, and their friends in the media, chose to propogate an absolute falsehood. Then, the hyperventilating never-Trumpers chose to swallow that absolute tripe simply because, well: Orange Man Bad.

Again, not a fan of Trump the man, but there is no way to deny what he has accomplished unless you allow yourself to be guided by your hatred of the man. If you are able to, put feelings aside, andf follow some Independent journalists, not the poop coming from the airwaves, newspapers, twitter and facebook. If you do this, you simply can't deny that he is by far, the most succesful politician in our lifetime. Again, even though I disagree with some of his policies, they are the policies that got him elected, and he actually (frank)ing delivered. Very refreshing if you ask me.
- habman75

wow , for a guy who doesn't like Trump, you sure are taking the time to defend him, holy...

simple question: are the US a cluster(frank) right now? imho, yes. he may have delivered on a lot of promises, but most of the things you are mentioning are related to economy, which is supposed to be his forte, I agree. he doesn't have control of the situation, at all. of course there's biased media out there, but just read his actual quotes, listen to his speeches, there's no denying he's a complete buffoon.

also you keep mentioning I should "keep my feelings aside", but I don't know what this has to do with anything