We enjoy the same crappy weather, love our sports teams and are passionate about them.

Obviously the federal and provincial laws that we live and abide by are different due to the fact we are divided by that border line but culturally speaking there are many similarities.

Or do you think Buffalonians compare more favourably to the Southern States ? I wouldn’t say so but hey that’s my opinion and I stand by it.
- Pegullaville

Similarities of course, but you're still viewing it backwards.

Similarities of course, but you're still viewing it backwards.
- Lunaion

Look at it how you will.

You’ve made it clear that you are able to understand the overall view point and that’s the only thing that matters.

Man this offseason has sucked. All our GM has done is traded for a 2nd line center, acquire the best UFA, and revamped the bottom 6. (frank)!!!

When have I ever “dulled” up the signing of Hall ?

I even went as far to say that I don’t think it’s out of the question that both could potentially finish top 5 in scoring.

It’s funny because you Bills fans complain about your defence week in and week out. Yet when some of the posters question the replacements in the bottom 6 and lack of goaltending upgrade we get shunned for our criticisms that we have taken a step back defensively ?

Or is it because we have to wait and see it with our own eyes before we complain about it ?

The Sabres have gotten much better offensively this offseason while taking a step back defensively.

I’ll admit I was wrong if Kreuger can do what nobody else has done in the last 4 years and make Eakin a successful defensive forward.

We overpaid Eakin, Girgensons, and Thompson (seeing what Kahun got and what Joey Anderson got in Toronto as a comparable).

We have still yet to upgrade in goal unless they are putting all of their chips on the table hoping Ullmark continues to improve (which is possible but not ideal).

We also have 5 RHD men that could realistically play in the lineup with only 3 spots and no move has been made to improve the defence corps on the left side unless you’re banking on Matt Irwin.
- Pegullaville

Good Post Pegs!!!

Man this offseason has sucked. All our GM has done is traded for a 2nd line center, acquire the best UFA, and revamped the bottom 6. (frank)!!!
- Mentalorgasm5

Upgrade the goaltending and we should see playoff hockey.

The bottom 6 though and the defence corps will be the difference though between us and the truly elite.

Man this offseason has sucked. All our GM has done is traded for a 2nd line center, acquire the best UFA, and revamped the bottom 6. (frank)!!!
- Mentalorgasm5

A. I had 0 idea we signed Alex Pietrangelo

B. He made the bottom 6 worse

C. He did nothing to get Taylor Hall, and the embedded episode proved that.

We got another dud

Look at it how you will.

You’ve made it clear that you are able to understand the overall view point and that’s the only thing that matters.
- Pegullaville

Back to Kahun.

When have I ever “dulled” up the signing of Hall ?

I even went as far to say that I don’t think it’s out of the question that both could potentially finish top 5 in scoring.

It’s funny because you Bills fans complain about your defence week in and week out. Yet when some of the posters question the replacements in the bottom 6 and lack of goaltending upgrade we get shunned for our criticisms that we have taken a step back defensively ?

Or is it because we have to wait and see it with our own eyes before we complain about it ?

The Sabres have gotten much better offensively this offseason while taking a step back defensively.

I’ll admit I was wrong if Kreuger can do what nobody else has done in the last 4 years and make Eakin a successful defensive forward.

We overpaid Eakin, Girgensons, and Thompson (seeing what Kahun got and what Joey Anderson got in Toronto as a comparable).

We have still yet to upgrade in goal unless they are putting all of their chips on the table hoping Ullmark continues to improve (which is possible but not ideal).

We also have 5 RHD men that could realistically play in the lineup with only 3 spots and no move has been made to improve the defence corps on the left side unless you’re banking on Matt Irwin.
- Pegullaville

It’s people who are easily sellable.

They watch Sabres embedded with the goofy owner calling us a cup team and call down to the arena to offer their debit card up for whatever the team is selling.

They added two guys on 1 year deals and people are celebrating? Go fix the glaring holes and I’m on board

Back to Kahun.
- Lunaion

It is clear at this point they chose Thompson over Kahun.

It is clear at this point they chose Thompson over Kahun.
- Pegullaville

And if Thompson doesn't suck - which is a huge if - they may have landed a potential value contract. And listen, i am not a Tage fan. But if he is the big boy that Rivet says he is, and he learns how to use his stick and his reach, maybe that's a win

I think it’s pretty ironic you keep throwing around the Canadian insults when really Buffalo is pretty much an extension of Southern Ontario for the most part.

Kevyn Adams even when as far to pitch to Taylor Hall that the fan base resembles a Canadian Market in the Embedded series.

Culturally speaking we are very much alike.

The argument against Kahun was that he is playing on multiple teams lately, well so has Hall.

Case closed. I guess we can make the field 200 yards though if you’re going to keep moving the goal posts.
- Pegullaville

😀

I'm only kidding when it comes to our north American relationship . Nothing personal. Tailgated for years with our Canadian crew.

Sorry if I offended. 🤝


Kahun 4 teams in 3 years is not the same as hall's 4 teams in 12 years. Hall was a well looked after free agent. #1 this season. Former mvp.

Kahun ' just narrowed his nhl options to 1 team and took basically league minimum. Not a former mvp

Back to Kahun.
- Lunaion

Sabres made a mistake and didnt take kahun to arbitration. It was bad asset management.
They should have overpaid him. He was a very sought after free agent, that was playing contract tricks, that's why he was ufa for 3 weeks.

4 teams in 29 months. Sabres will have their 2nd shot again in about 18 years. 😉

Back to Kahun.
- Lunaion

I blame the bonus overages.

😀

I'm only kidding when it comes to our north American relationship . Nothing personal. Tailgated for years with our Canadian crew.

Sorry if I offended. 🤝


Kahun 4 teams in 3 years is not the same as hall's 4 teams in 12 years. Hall was a well looked after free agent. #1 this season. Former mvp.

Kahun ' just narrowed his nhl options to 1 team and took basically league minimum. Not a former mvp
- Boss34

I was not comparing the players.

I’m just saying that there could be a multitude of reasons why a player may switch teams.

The three teams that gave up on Kahun also have questionable management.

Bowman has been a disaster in Chicago for years and even the players are sick of it. They gifted us Joker on a silver platter.

Rutherford has made many head scratching moves the last two years and the Penguins haven’t been able to get past the first round (or even the playoffs this year) because of it.

Then the Sabres, well enough said there.

Kahun is an average NHL forward making below average money and will do well in Edmonton. The Sabres were ultimately right in not qualifying him but what stopped them from matching what Edmonton gave him ? Maybe Kahun took his ball and went home and there was bad blood due to not being qualified.

They also could have extended Kahun in the months leading up to this offseason.

At the end of the day he’s gone and I’ve made all the points I need to make.

And if Thompson doesn't suck - which is a huge if - they may have landed a potential value contract. And listen, i am not a Tage fan. But if he is the big boy that Rivet says he is, and he learns how to use his stick and his reach, maybe that's a win
- jcragcrumple

I always saw the potential with Thompson and I hope he proves to be the 35-40 point 3RW that he could be if he took this offseason seriously.

I’m on the hill that would have liked to have seen both Kahun and Thompson in our bottom 6 but it is what it is

I was not comparing the players.

I’m just saying that there could be a multitude of reasons why a player may switch teams.

The three teams that gave up on Kahun also have questionable management.

Bowman has been a disaster in Chicago for years and even the players are sick of it. They gifted us Joker on a silver platter.

Rutherford has made many head scratching moves the last two years and the Penguins haven’t been able to get past the first round (or even the playoffs this year) because of it.

Then the Sabres, well enough said there.

Kahun is an average NHL forward making below average money and will do well in Edmonton. The Sabres were ultimately right in not qualifying him but what stopped them from matching what Edmonton gave him ? Maybe Kahun took his ball and went home and there was bad blood due to not being qualified.

They also could have extended Kahun in the months leading up to this offseason.

At the end of the day he’s gone and I’ve made all the points I need to make.
- Pegullaville

They weren’t right. Mainly because if your following sentences.

But we already know it’s impossible for this organization to sign anyone long term so we just dismiss is as an option.

The longest contract they gave out was to Zemgus “Bethlehem Paper” Girgensons

Sure... but :
1- we have a new GM,
2- and an assumed mandate from Eichel that we have to win or else,
3- and it’s a year where MANY teams have to make moves bc of the Cap,
4- and UFAs are settling for lower contracts than usual

All that tells me moves are more likely
Now i can’t say for sure that we will make more moves, but it seems reasonable

And there’s just no sense in getting upset now when there’s still months to do so
- jdfitz77

Who's getting upset? It is a hockey discussion board for posters to share their opinion.

- it's rather weird to me that a sports team needs the ultimatum from their Captain and best player to finally be energized about winning.

- the whole, "hold on" other teams need to make a trade montra seems rather shallow to me when one looks a bit deeper...the Sabres require a Money in / Money out deal to effect change. If their trade targets are trading players to to shed salary ( see Tampa) and to acquire futures in return so as to become compliant themselves...how exactly does that work for the Sabres? I'll tell ya how...not very well. If, for example the Sabres want to dump between $4 and $9m in RhD worth off their roster to secure a LhD and a Goalie, how do they do so if the other team is also looking to shed salary...i.e. Sabres want Kuemper, AZ wants to dump his $4.50mSalary and Cap ... how do the Sabres manage that exactly? ...The Sabres absolutely must shed salary to acquire talent at need positions now. I just don't have high hopes that in reality it works out for this season. There are about 4 teams with enough Cap space to help the Sabres once they retain and sign their own RFA's..and I don't see them exactly extending an olive branch to a desperate team needing to make moves ... that life vest they are throwing you is actually a boat anchor.

- UFA 's for the Sabres are freakin done..the fact the UFAs are at reduced prices is great...except the Sabres cannot take advantage unless they themselves shed salaries...who is going to help them ( look out for that incoming "life preserver")? Who is able to take on Risto so the Sabres can sign Hoffman as an example...no one.

I like the optimism.
But reality is a bit different...just like last year, and then year before.

Who's getting upset? It is a hockey discussion board for posters to share their opinion.

- it's rather weird to me that a sports team needs the ultimatum from their Captain and best player to finally be energized about winning.
- the whole, "hold on" other teams need to make a trade montra seems rather shallow to me when one looks a bit deeper...the Sabres require a Money in / Money out deal to effect change. If trading targets are doing so to shed salary and acquire futures in return to become compliant...how 3xactly does that work for the Sabres? I'll tell ya how...very, very complexly .. to the point it is very difficult to negotiate a trade in which the Sabres dump between $4 and $10m in RhD worth off their roster to secure a LhD and or Goalie...because the Sabres absolutely must shed salary to acquire talent at need positions...so if their trade targets need to shed salary period...I just do have high Hope's that if works out for this season. There are about 4 teams with enough Cap space to help the Sabres once they retain and sign their own RFA's..and I don't see them exactly extending an olive branch to a desperate team needing g to make moves ... that life vest they are throwing you is actually a boat anchor.
- UFA 's for the Sabres are freakin done..the fact they are are reduced prices is great...except the Sabres cannot take advantage unless they shed salaries themselves...which is the exact situation many teams find themselves in.

I like the optimism. But reality is a bit different...just like last year, and then year before.
- IonSabres

The Sabres got lucky that Botterill hired Krueger, so we could land the chance to impress Hall for a year and then have him yeet us into salary cap hell.

Botterill is more responsible for Hall than YyvYn AydYmSY.

Imagine the highlight of the most important offseason in a decade being a Zemgus Girgensons contract, and Eric Staal telling the media how depressed his kids are.

I've been trying to be silent. Nobody likes a Debbie Downer. But aren't we out of the playoff convo right now?

We got Hall and Staal. We got worse defensively losing Pilut, we got worse in the bottom 6 as we traded out a couple decent players (Larry/Kahun) for replacement level ones (Reider/Eakin) and our goaltending didn't change. I was of the mind that this year would be more fun to watch with Hall-Eichel together, but thought it was obvious this is not a playoff team or close to it still.

Is that DD talk? I thought we were sold on the idea this was another cast off season tbh.
- RhinoFan

DD talk, no I think we have just been beaten down as a fan base.

I was not comparing the players.

I’m just saying that there could be a multitude of reasons why a player may switch teams.

The three teams that gave up on Kahun also have questionable management.

Bowman has been a disaster in Chicago for years and even the players are sick of it. They gifted us Joker on a silver platter.

Rutherford has made many head scratching moves the last two years and the Penguins haven’t been able to get past the first round (or even the playoffs this year) because of it.

Then the Sabres, well enough said there.

Kahun is an average NHL forward making below average money and will do well in Edmonton. The Sabres were ultimately right in not qualifying him but what stopped them from matching what Edmonton gave him ? Maybe Kahun took his ball and went home and there was bad blood due to not being qualified.

They also could have extended Kahun in the months leading up to this offseason.

At the end of the day he’s gone and I’ve made all the points I need to make.
- Pegullaville

You've made a bunch of really good points Flacco 👍

All 3 teams under "bad management " should have a spot available for the kid. Well at least buffalo and Chicago. Easier teams for kahun to earn a roster spot? With less competitive rosters? But nope.

Hall on the other hand was #1 over
League mvp in his second stop
Landed in a worse and cheaper run organization in az
And now buffalo

Big difference, and 8 more years of the nhl to boot

Not sold on joker, you guys fall in love quickly . He hasnt proven anything yet?

Some nerd please help me understand with underlying statistics?

Oh I think we're well positioned for that. If the season starts in February we'll probably even be playing Meaningful Games In March™️
- jcragcrumple

Freaking 2020.

Anybody want to come finish mudding my house? I hate this poop.

You've made a bunch of really good points Flacco 👍

All 3 teams under "bad management " should have a spot available for the kid. Well at least buffalo and Chicago. Easier teams for kahun to earn a roster spot? With less competitive rosters? But nope.

Hall on the other hand was #1 over
League mvp in his second stop
Landed in a worse and cheaper run organization in az
And now buffalo

Big difference, and 8 more years of the nhl to boot

Not sold on joker, you guys fall in love quickly . He hasnt proven anything yet?

Some nerd please help me understand with underlying statistics?
- Boss34

I like Joker. You can't love VO as much as you do and give anyone else grief! At 21, I think he's already the better player.

@danfetes
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Brian Daboll says the Bills practiced two pass plays on Friday... the rest were all runs.

You've made a bunch of really good points Flacco 👍

All 3 teams under "bad management " should have a spot available for the kid. Well at least buffalo and Chicago. Easier teams for kahun to earn a roster spot? With less competitive rosters? But nope.

Hall on the other hand was #1 over
League mvp in his second stop
Landed in a worse and cheaper run organization in az
And now buffalo

Big difference, and 8 more years of the nhl to boot

Not sold on joker, you guys fall in love quickly . He hasnt proven anything yet?

Some nerd please help me understand with underlying statistics?
- Boss34

So you think Adam Larsson is just as good as Taylor Hall then, correct?