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JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Nov 3 @ 5:59 PM ET
I don't hide from the fact that I think that Laine is slow, lazy, and immature.
- bennythehat


Yikes! Saw a post of Laine training the other day, good gawd the hatred some have for this kid is strange.

Lazy is getting out muscled and out hustled by 165 pound Conor Garland!!
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 3 @ 6:01 PM ET
Yikes! Saw a post of Laine training the other day, good gawd the hatred some have for this kid is strange.

Lazy is getting out muscled and out hustled by 165 pound Conor Garland!!

- JetFuel


Laine: *posts video of himself training in the offseason wearing Jets gear*
Fans: “Laine’s lazy and he doesn’t wanna be here!”
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Nov 3 @ 6:18 PM ET
Laine: *posts video of himself training in the offseason wearing Jets gear*
Fans: “Laine’s lazy and he doesn’t wanna be here!”

- Rexypoo


Sad but true unfortunately.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Nov 3 @ 7:19 PM ET
Hate/hatred is very strong.
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Nov 3 @ 8:43 PM ET
How dare you put those words into the universe
- Rexypoo



There is no chance that Maurice puts an unproven 19 year old as the Jets 2C in a year in our universe.
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Nov 3 @ 8:52 PM ET
To be serious for a moment, what if Stastny is able to bring out the best from Laine ?
( I will be surprised, but it could happen)

- bennythehat



I shudder to think what a Laine trade looks like in a year if he puts up 2018-19 numbers, playing the 2nd line.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 3 @ 9:33 PM ET
There is no chance that Maurice puts an unproven 19 year old as the Jets 2C in a year in our universe.
- BWJumper


Tbh I’m hoping Maurice won’t be here
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Nov 3 @ 10:22 PM ET
Tbh I’m hoping Maurice won’t be here
- Rexypoo


I don't know about that. I think Maurice is in a win-win situation next year. Make the playoffs they keep him. If this Canadian division happens, and/or shortened season and they miss the playoffs management will give him a pass.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 3 @ 11:07 PM ET
I don't know about that. I think Maurice is in a win-win situation next year. Make the playoffs they keep him. If this Canadian division happens, and/or shortened season and they miss the playoffs management will give him a pass.
- BWJumper


It needs to be a total sh*tshow for him to be fired. With all the ready-made Covid excuses, and the lack of a crowd to thunderously boo the team out of the building, it’s hard to imagine perform and matters
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Nov 4 @ 10:26 AM ET
Hate/hatred is very strong.
- bennythehat

From my perspective, as the old saying goes, there is a fine line between love and hate. It takes less energy to hate. It takes great courage and energy to love.

Unfortunately our world these days seems to be stuck in hate mode. Love, kindness and generosity are all more needed now than ever.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Nov 4 @ 11:20 AM ET
In my opinion lots of Stastny's stats were inflated due to him playing with Mark Stone. I think for Stastny next year he will go in 5 game cycles. Where he will look great for five and disappear for five. I really like Stastny and have a been a huge fan of his ever since he was in Colorado. I am also aware that time does not slow down for anyone.

I am surprised that no one is clamouring to sign Corey Perry. He's the same age as Stastny and Wheeler. He's a former 50 goal man, Hart trophy winner. He also brings that sandpaper to the game that everyone seems to think the Jets are missing.

- TheUltimateJet


He certainly has played with good players. Hence breaking 70 points in 3 of his first 4 seasons. But he has produced very well with the Avs, Knights, and lets not forget 15 points in 17 playoff games with the Jets. I feel he has earned his spot at 2C until someone actually forces it away from him. I don't care if he is 34, he is still a great 2 way C.

Perry would be awesome to add to the bottom 6, but I honestly don't see why he would sign with the Jets. Surely there is a stronger contender willing to pay him a similar amount but in a tax free state. Not sure he or his family want to consider living in separate countries during these odd times. I'm assuming his family is still situated in Anaheim?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Nov 4 @ 12:06 PM ET
He certainly has played with good players. Hence breaking 70 points in 3 of his first 4 seasons. But he has produced very well with the Avs, Knights, and lets not forget 15 points in 17 playoff games with the Jets. I feel he has earned his spot at 2C until someone actually forces it away from him. I don't care if he is 34, he is still a great 2 way C.

Perry would be awesome to add to the bottom 6, but I honestly don't see why he would sign with the Jets. Surely there is a stronger contender willing to pay him a similar amount but in a tax free state. Not sure he or his family want to consider living in separate countries during these odd times. I'm assuming his family is still situated in Anaheim?

- bikeguy99

From my perspective, if the Jets really believe in their development of their prospects, Stastny should be used as an insulation player. If they don't, then play him at second line Center and create more animosity with your younger players.

Just my opinion.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 4 @ 1:12 PM ET
From my perspective, if the Jets really believe in their development of their prospects, Stastny should be used as an insulation player. If they don't, then play him at second line Center and create more animosity with your younger players.

Just my opinion.

- TheUltimateJet


These problems would go away for the most part if Maurice would roll his lines, and not constantly try and “stack” his top 6
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Nov 4 @ 3:23 PM ET
These problems would go away for the most part if Maurice would roll his lines, and not constantly try and “stack” his top 6
- Rexypoo


Maurice needs to stack his top 9!
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 4 @ 3:38 PM ET
Maurice needs to stack his top 9!
- JetFuel


This is better than what we currently do, so I’ll take it.

Copp-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Stastny-Wheeler
Ehlers-Perfetti-Roslovic
Harkins-Lowry-Appleton
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Nov 4 @ 4:43 PM ET
It needs to be a total sh*tshow for him to be fired. With all the ready-made Covid excuses, and the lack of a crowd to thunderously boo the team out of the building, it’s hard to imagine perform and matters
- Rexypoo


Where do you think the Jets finish in a Canadian division?





Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 4 @ 5:15 PM ET
Where do you think the Jets finish in a Canadian division?
- BWJumper


My best guess:
1: Toronto
2: Edmonton (only if the goaltending is steady)
3: Montreal (horrid D-core might cancel)
4: Jets (All Helle)
5: Vancouver (No Markstrom, no depth)
6: Calgary (Downgraded their blueline, aging)
7: Ottawa

Honestly, places 2 through 6 are all up in the air for me. There are a lot of over-confident, paper tiger teams in Canada
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Nov 4 @ 8:07 PM ET
My best guess:
1: Toronto
2: Edmonton (only if the goaltending is steady)
3: Montreal (horrid D-core might cancel)
4: Jets (All Helle)
5: Vancouver (No Markstrom, no depth)
6: Calgary (Downgraded their blueline, aging)
7: Ottawa

Honestly, places 2 through 6 are all up in the air for me. There are a lot of over-confident, paper tiger teams in Canada

- Rexypoo



I agree it looks really tight from 2-6, it's why I think Maurice gets a pass this year.
Of course something crazy like finishing 7th could happen, then he's got to go.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Nov 4 @ 8:55 PM ET
I agree it looks really tight from 2-6, it's why I think Maurice gets a pass this year.
Of course something crazy like finishing 7th could happen, then he's got to go.

- BWJumper


Reportedly Ottawa is the front runner to get Corey Perry.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Nov 4 @ 10:24 PM ET
From my perspective, if the Jets really believe in their development of their prospects, Stastny should be used as an insulation player. If they don't, then play him at second line Center and create more animosity with your younger players.

Just my opinion.

- TheUltimateJet



The Jet's don't believe in their development down the middle. Hence 2 1st round selections being spent on rental C's in the past 3 seasons. They had such little faith in their C position, that Wheeler instantly became their 1C when Scheiffs would get injured. The jets do believe in drafting and developing players, and have with great success. But not down the middle, and they have made that abundantly clear. I have high hopes for Perfetti, and the addition of Stats should buy the kid another year of developing in the minors. Don't get me wrong, I would have been fine to try Ras at 2C, and Copp at 3C. Coaching/GM/Ownership clearly disagreed with that experiment at some point in time. With what Stats has done to date, he has absolutely earned 2C. Not saying that shouldn't change if the 3C is clearly playing better hockey, but that needs to be witnessed first.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Nov 4 @ 10:29 PM ET
These problems would go away for the most part if Maurice would roll his lines, and not constantly try and “stack” his top 6
- Rexypoo


I am a fan of PoMo. Hated him early in his career but the guy has won my vote over the years. That being said, he has been guilty of complacency with certain players. I agree the line structures could be juggled to bring 3 good scoring lines, rather than a stacked top 6.

Don Cherry said all a new coach does to a team is provide 3 guys with more TOI, and reduce 3 others. Hopefully Maurice can start adapting this technique before they go have to make a coaching change. Ras/Niku/Copp need more TOI, and Beaulieu/Perrault/Lowry need far less TOI. Please give Niku a bloody shot with a decent pairing to see if he is actually a good NHL player and not just an AHL star.
2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Nov 4 @ 11:05 PM ET
The Jet's don't believe in their development down the middle. Hence 2 1st round selections being spent on rental C's in the past 3 seasons. They had such little faith in their C position, that Wheeler instantly became their 1C when Scheiffs would get injured. The jets do believe in drafting and developing players, and have with great success. But not down the middle, and they have made that abundantly clear. I have high hopes for Perfetti, and the addition of Stats should buy the kid another year of developing in the minors. Don't get me wrong, I would have been fine to try Ras at 2C, and Copp at 3C. Coaching/GM/Ownership clearly disagreed with that experiment at some point in time. With what Stats has done to date, he has absolutely earned 2C. Not saying that shouldn't change if the 3C is clearly playing better hockey, but that needs to be witnessed first.
- bikeguy99


I don't agree that they dont believe in their development down the middle. Sheifele, Copp, Lowry are successes. They have found only one top 6 center so far - but to be fair - they weren't really under pressure to find one until Little went down. They took two cracks at an instant fix and paid heavily with 2 first rounders and neither player resigning. If little were still in the mix I would go so far as to say we are now very strong down the middle.

concerning ice time - the depth players are past the rookie, young, inexperienced labels and should get more ice time starting this year.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 4 @ 11:47 PM ET
I am a fan of PoMo. Hated him early in his career but the guy has won my vote over the years. That being said, he has been guilty of complacency with certain players. I agree the line structures could be juggled to bring 3 good scoring lines, rather than a stacked top 6.

Don Cherry said all a new coach does to a team is provide 3 guys with more TOI, and reduce 3 others. Hopefully Maurice can start adapting this technique before they go have to make a coaching change. Ras/Niku/Copp need more TOI, and Beaulieu/Perrault/Lowry need far less TOI. Please give Niku a bloody shot with a decent pairing to see if he is actually a good NHL player and not just an AHL star.

- bikeguy99


My question is how can you have hated him in the early years but like him now when he’s been criticized, and later fired, for all of the same issues his entire career? He picks favourites, and defers to the veterans. Always has, always will. His systems are what they are, he doesn’t adjust to his roster, he forces square pegs into round holes and plays the guys who pump the tires
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Nov 4 @ 11:50 PM ET
I don't agree that they dont believe in their development down the middle. Sheifele, Copp, Lowry are successes. They have found only one top 6 center so far - but to be fair - they weren't really under pressure to find one until Little went down. They took two cracks at an instant fix and paid heavily with 2 first rounders and neither player resigning. If little were still in the mix I would go so far as to say we are now very strong down the middle.

concerning ice time - the depth players are past the rookie, young, inexperienced labels and should get more ice time starting this year.

- 2.0


Okay, but out of Scheifele, Copp, and Lowry, only Lowry has been handled well.

Lowry was given a smaller role early, had it slowly increase, was sent for a short stint in the A when his play faltered just to get rolling again, and then they plugged him back into the same role with 100% confidence. No issues.

Scheifele didn’t get a sideways glance for the 1C job until a Little injury forced it.

Copp has been overqualified in the bottom 6 for at least 2 seasons now, and was better as a centre for his entire tenure here and still got forced to the wing in favour of other players.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Nov 5 @ 10:48 AM ET
My question is how can you have hated him in the early years but like him now when he’s been criticized, and later fired, for all of the same issues his entire career? He picks favourites, and defers to the veterans. Always has, always will. His systems are what they are, he doesn’t adjust to his roster, he forces square pegs into round holes and plays the guys who pump the tires
- Rexypoo


If you remember his early years, you would see a coach who was throwing tantrums, singling out rookies to the media, and generally an angry guy. The Toronto media is no joke, and he seemed out of sorts in his early years. Most coaches admit that they changed their styles and attitudes greatly over their careers. Pomo is no exception, and he certainly seems to have much better relations with his players/media.

But yes, his love of certain players has people questioning him. I still think he got alot out of this club given the fact that they had 1 returning D, and the entire core was about 12M. I hope to see some changes in balancing the lines, and bringing in Statsny should give Pomo the ability to do so. Only time will tell.
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