Pittsburgh has to bring in young talent because they have so much money tied up in Crosby, Malkin, and Letang. $ 25 million for 3 players....that leaves about 56 million for the remaining 20 players.
- bennythehat

Yes. Otherwise known as good GMing, and maximizing on young talent.

The Jets did this to near perfection in 2017-18. Taking advantage of ELCs and young talent to stack the blueline, grab a Stastny, and have Perrault carry your 4th line all by himself.

The Islanders are a perfect example of doing the opposite, and now they’re likely a wildcard team at best for the next several years. Can’t afford Barzal, just lost a top pairing defenceman for magic beans, and are now jerking around all their young players (Dobson, Aho, Wahlstrom, Ho-Sang). Look how many prospects they’ve ruined recently just because they’re paying too much for fringe talent. Bellows and Dal Colle, anyone?

But, like, no. They’re not perspective or opinion based. They are a record of events. The results cannot be opinion based. They are what happened.
- Rexypoo

They are a record of events, but are they really the most relevant events? Its like going to Hawaii in January because you heard the barometric pressure is nice.

Ho-Sang ?
Really ?

They are a record of events, but are they really the most relevant events? Its like going to Hawaii in January because you heard the barometric pressure is nice.
- 2.0

I disagree on every level with your analogy.

I also find it hilarious, and tip my “Smart Ass” cap to you in respect

Ho-Sang ?
Really ?
- bennythehat

Want me to send you a recently written article about how he should be a full time NHL player?

A: McDavid wouldn’t produce anywhere near that much, because his linemate quality would decrease, and his ice time would be around 8-10, not 15.
B: Dano was traded for Saad. He was the biggest piece in the trade at the time, and the first thing they did was try him in Saad’s old spot with Toews and Hossa. Coach Q just didn’t have the patience for young players when he’s trying to chase a cup before the window slams shut.
C: so many factors go into a player making it, or not making it, that are entirely out of their control.
Look at Nichushkin, or Ho-Sang, or Puljujarvi, or even early 20s PK Subban. One was held back by being miscast as a scorer, one never had a chance after getting a problem tag before he was even drafted, one was constantly put in a position to fail in the bottom 6, and one was kept in the A as an over-ripe defenceman because of the salary cap.

Coaches and GMs are just as prone to issues as any player.
- Rexypoo

You are right. Ice time and linemates most definitely contribute to productivity. McDavid would produce less with less ice time, et al. (though I would argue, again, that linemates are considerably less relevant. He frequently played with Archibald and Kassian and still managed his points. Like Crosby, it doesn't matter who he plays with.)

But I think it's comical that you SEEM to be seriously trying to convince us that McDavid's numbers would be as paltry as Dano and Petan's if he was buried in the lineup same as they were . . . but I digress??! One thing's for sure, if Dano and Petan showed anywhere near the type of skill AND CONSISTENCY that McDavid shows, they wouldn't have been buried for 8 minutes a night, either, or sent to the farm.

And boy, Dano sure is a victim. Not given his chance in Chicago, damn that coach Q for failing a player who was the prime piece in the (first) Saad trade! Then Winnipeg goes and fails Dano, also, despite him being the prime piece in a trade of their own. Then Colorado and now Columbus (ROUND 2) are screwing him also. Poor guy. Too bad no one sees the skills.

Want me to send you a recently written article about how he should be a full time NHL player?
- Rexypoo

Just someone's opinion....means nothing to me.

Here is my recently written article:
30 teams could have him for nothing and still he is not a NHL player.

You are right. Ice time and linemates most definitely contribute to productivity. McDavid would produce less with less ice time, et al. (though I would argue, again, that linemates are considerably less relevant. He frequently played with Archibald and Kassian and still managed his points. Like Crosby, it doesn't matter who he plays with.)

But I think it's comical that you SEEM to be seriously trying to convince us that McDavid's numbers would be as paltry as Dano and Petan's if he was buried in the lineup same as they were . . . but I digress??! One thing's for sure, if Dano and Petan showed anywhere near the type of skill AND CONSISTENCY that McDavid shows, they wouldn't have been buried for 8 minutes a night, either, or sent to the farm.

And boy, Dano sure is a victim. Not given his chance in Chicago, damn that coach Q for failing a player who was the prime piece in the (first) Saad trade! Then Winnipeg goes and fails Dano, also, despite him being the prime piece in a trade of their own. Then Colorado and now Columbus (ROUND 2) are screwing him also. Poor guy. Too bad no one sees the skills.
- Quillanrocks

Rexy sees all kinds of skills in Dano.

You are right. Ice time and linemates most definitely contribute to productivity. McDavid would produce less with less ice time, et al. (though I would argue, again, that linemates are considerably less relevant. He frequently played with Archibald and Kassian and still managed his points. Like Crosby, it doesn't matter who he plays with.)

But I think it's comical that you SEEM to be seriously trying to convince us that McDavid's numbers would be as paltry as Dano and Petan's if he was buried in the lineup same as they were . . . but I digress??! One thing's for sure, if Dano and Petan showed anywhere near the type of skill AND CONSISTENCY that McDavid shows, they wouldn't have been buried for 8 minutes a night, either, or sent to the farm.

And boy, Dano sure is a victim. Not given his chance in Chicago, damn that coach Q for failing a player who was the prime piece in the (first) Saad trade! Then Winnipeg goes and fails Dano, also, despite him being the prime piece in a trade of their own. Then Colorado and now Columbus (ROUND 2) are screwing him also. Poor guy. Too bad no one sees the skills.
- Quillanrocks

I’m gonna agree to disagree on the McDavid thing because I don’t care enough to continue that thread.

There’s a whole argument to be made about how consistency, at least in the way I think you’re referring to, is a myth. But that’s not really as important here as how the young Jets in question, along many current Jets like Niku, Roslovic, Harkins, etc., have never been played in a manner that allowed for consistency.
Sit for 12 games, spend 3 on the 4th line, HERES 5 MINUTES WITH SCHEIFELE NOPE YOU FAIL, sit for 11 games, 2 games now on the 3rd line. Where in that schedule are any of these guys supposed to show consistency?

I also never said Quenneville failed Dano. I said he had no patience, which is true. Chicago didn’t have time to develop young players while they were gunning for more rings. This is why Teravainen would be the best player on the Blackhawks, but isn’t playing for them. They needed guys who were prime age and rolling right f*ckin now.
The Jets DID fail Dano. He came in, and they played him as the 3RW with some powerplay time sprinkled in, and they were rewarded. A 21 year old coming in and clipping 30 points across a full season with strong underlying numbers is great news. But once the deadline prize status wore off, Maurice decided he skated funny, and told him to f*ck off essentially. By the time he got to Colorado, his development was shot, and he’s never recovered.

Just someone's opinion....means nothing to me.

Here is my recently written article:
30 teams could have him for nothing and still he is not a NHL player.
- bennythehat

Okay? And? Are we missing the part where performance doesn’t matter when you’re labeled a problem in this league? Boston actually traded Tyler Seguin on purpose for no reason other than they didn’t like his personality.

I’m gonna agree to disagree on the McDavid thing because I don’t care enough to continue that thread.

There’s a whole argument to be made about how consistency, at least in the way I think you’re referring to, is a myth. But that’s not really as important here as how the young Jets in question, along many current Jets like Niku, Roslovic, Harkins, etc., have never been played in a manner that allowed for consistency.
Sit for 12 games, spend 3 on the 4th line, HERES 5 MINUTES WITH SCHEIFELE NOPE YOU FAIL, sit for 11 games, 2 games now on the 3rd line. Where in that schedule are any of these guys supposed to show consistency?

I also never said Quenneville failed Dano. I said he had no patience, which is true. Chicago didn’t have time to develop young players while they were gunning for more rings. This is why Teravainen would be the best player on the Blackhawks, but isn’t playing for them. They needed guys who were prime age and rolling right f*ckin now.
The Jets DID fail Dano. He came in, and they played him as the 3RW with some powerplay time sprinkled in, and they were rewarded. A 21 year old coming in and clipping 30 points across a full season with strong underlying numbers is great news. But once the deadline prize status wore off, Maurice decided he skated funny, and told him to f*ck off essentially. By the time he got to Colorado, his development was shot, and he’s never recovered.
- Rexypoo

Teravainen is better than Kane ?

Okay? And? Are we missing the part where performance doesn’t matter when you’re labeled a problem in this league? Boston actually traded Tyler Seguin on purpose for no reason other than they didn’t like his personality.
- Rexypoo

And Boston has since won championships, Dallas has not.

Teravainen is better than Kane ?
- bennythehat

Easily.
DeBrincat and Toews are also better than Kane.
Kane was the worst defensive forward in the entire NHL this year. He was honestly about as impactful overall as Brandon Tanev.

And Boston has since won championships, Dallas has not.
- 2.0

They won with Seguin on the team.

I disagree on every level with your analogy.


- Rexypoo

This statement is a surprise to no one.

Teravainen is better than Kane ?
- bennythehat

Beat me to that very same comment. I could also add Toews and at least a half dozen other Blackhawks.

Beat me to that very same comment. I could also add Toews and at least a half dozen other Blackhawks.
- jetsnation

The fact that you think any Blackhawk is better than TT is bad. Thinking Toews, Kane, or any other non-DeBrincat player is even close just makes me wonder if you’ve even seen either of Chicago or Carolina play on tv since 2015.

You are right. Ice time and linemates most definitely contribute to productivity. McDavid would produce less with less ice time, et al. (though I would argue, again, that linemates are considerably less relevant. He frequently played with Archibald and Kassian and still managed his points. Like Crosby, it doesn't matter who he plays with.)

But I think it's comical that you SEEM to be seriously trying to convince us that McDavid's numbers would be as paltry as Dano and Petan's if he was buried in the lineup same as they were . . . but I digress??! One thing's for sure, if Dano and Petan showed anywhere near the type of skill AND CONSISTENCY that McDavid shows, they wouldn't have been buried for 8 minutes a night, either, or sent to the farm.

And boy, Dano sure is a victim. Not given his chance in Chicago, damn that coach Q for failing a player who was the prime piece in the (first) Saad trade! Then Winnipeg goes and fails Dano, also, despite him being the prime piece in a trade of their own. Then Colorado and now Columbus (ROUND 2) are screwing him also. Poor guy. Too bad no one sees the skills.
- Quillanrocks

Well said Quilian !

Love watching Ehlers play....but he seems to have a lack of finish.
- bennythehat

Good comment Benny. I like Ehlers, but if all 32 NHL GM's were given a choice of getting Ehlers or Connor for the same price, I would bet that Connor would get chosen every time. I would also concur.

And Boston has since won championships, Dallas has not.
- 2.0

When did Boston win a championship after they traded Seguin? I must have missed that one.

Good comment Benny. I like Ehlers, but if all 32 NHL GM's were given a choice of getting Ehlers or Connor for the same price, I would bet that Connor would get chosen every time. I would also concur.
- jetsnation

In my opinion it would be a 50/50 split. I don't know all 32 GM's so I cannot make a definitive statement to verify or discount your statement.

Also where did you find this Connor vs. Ehlers debate on this thread? I looked back and could not find it. I don't think anyone was talking about that.

From what I have witnessed from the media they will say he's great! There is no more objective reporting these days in my opinion. All reporters will write articles that clubs like on order to get access to players and personalities. That's what I have noticed accross the board and not just here in Winnipeg. This I think is more true in markets where there is not much media competition.
- TheUltimateJet

I too think that's what would happen, the local media would be praising Harkins and the organization and most fans would agree, 25 points from a 3rd liner drafted in the 2nd round would somehow be considered a success, only in Winnipeg!

I’m gonna agree to disagree on the McDavid thing because I don’t care enough to continue that thread.

There’s a whole argument to be made about how consistency, at least in the way I think you’re referring to, is a myth. But that’s not really as important here as how the young Jets in question, along many current Jets like Niku, Roslovic, Harkins, etc., have never been played in a manner that allowed for consistency.
Sit for 12 games, spend 3 on the 4th line, HERES 5 MINUTES WITH SCHEIFELE NOPE YOU FAIL, sit for 11 games, 2 games now on the 3rd line. Where in that schedule are any of these guys supposed to show consistency?

I also never said Quenneville failed Dano. I said he had no patience, which is true. Chicago didn’t have time to develop young players while they were gunning for more rings. This is why Teravainen would be the best player on the Blackhawks, but isn’t playing for them. They needed guys who were prime age and rolling right f*ckin now.
The Jets DID fail Dano. He came in, and they played him as the 3RW with some powerplay time sprinkled in, and they were rewarded. A 21 year old coming in and clipping 30 points across a full season with strong underlying numbers is great news. But once the deadline prize status wore off, Maurice decided he skated funny, and told him to f*ck off essentially. By the time he got to Colorado, his development was shot, and he’s never recovered.
- Rexypoo

So now the Jets ruined Dano for everyone!!??! LOL That is some serious reach, my friend!! Are you really hinging your argument on the fact that he scored 8 points in 21 games (which MAYBE could have been 30 points in an 82 game equivalent) to end the '15/16 season? . . . and then declined after that?? Hey, if we need to blame coaching/management, then I say we DO throw Chicago under the bus. In Columbus he scored at a 48 point pace per 82 during his first season. When the Hawks got their talons in him it was all downhill from there!

I'm sure if you asked him, Dano will take 100% responsibility for his performance, the opportunities both lost AND afforded him. A professional does that.

So now the Jets ruined Dano for everyone!!??! LOL That is some serious reach, my friend!! Are you really hinging your argument on the fact that he scored 8 points in 21 games (which MAYBE could have been 30 points in an 82 game equivalent) to end the '15/16 season? . . . and then declined after that?? Hey, if we need to blame coaching/management, then I say we DO throw Chicago under the bus. In Columbus he scored at a 48 point pace per 82 during his first season. When the Hawks got their talons in him it was all downhill from there!

I'm sure if you asked him, Dano will take 100% responsibility for his performance, the opportunities both lost AND afforded him. A professional does that.
- Quillanrocks

The 25-year-old was a first-round pick of Columbus back in 2013 (27th overall) but is actually in his second stint with the team with stops in Chicago, Winnipeg, and Colorado in between. While he entered this past season with 138 games of NHL experience, he only suited up in three games for the Blue Jackets in 2019-20. Most of his campaign was spent with AHL Cleveland where he only managed to score four goals along with 15 assists in 46 games.

Not surprisingly, that showing wasn’t good enough to land him a spot on their postseason roster.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...gns-in-slovak-league.html

Dano never received a qualifying offer from Columbus in 2020. Why would they when he coulnd't even hack it on an AHL team. His NHL career is over. I suppose its now the fault of his latest AHL coach.

So now the Jets ruined Dano for everyone!!??! LOL That is some serious reach, my friend!! Are you really hinging your argument on the fact that he scored 8 points in 21 games (which MAYBE could have been 30 points in an 82 game equivalent) to end the '15/16 season? . . . and then declined after that?? Hey, if we need to blame coaching/management, then I say we DO throw Chicago under the bus. In Columbus he scored at a 48 point pace per 82 during his first season. When the Hawks got their talons in him it was all downhill from there!

I'm sure if you asked him, Dano will take 100% responsibility for his performance, the opportunities both lost AND afforded him. A professional does that.
- Quillanrocks

His play never dipped until the 18/19 season, I do not know why this happened. Probably a combination of frustration and slowly decreasing usage. His underlying numbers and rate of production was steady until then.
He never declined in performance with Chicago, nor with the Jets until the very last season.