McDavid would still look like an NHL talent in practice and on the 4th line. Cannot ssay same for Dano and Petan.
Dano was lucky for a short period of time with CBJ, after that reality set in.
- bennythehat

Dano was played in a big role for a short time in Columbus.
After that, the reality of not being played set in.
Nothing else about him changed. The numbers were still there.

McDavid would get his 10-15 pts in first 20 games - then be elevated to 1st line. Good players leave an impression, and are rewarded.
- grahamzky

You’ve clearly missed the entire point of this exercise. That point being: No. He would not. He would not have the time.

If what you were saying was true, Connor would’ve made the Jets a year sooner, and Ehlers wouldn’t have struggled for like 35 games next to Thorburn

You’ve clearly missed the entire point of this exercise. That point being: No. He would not. He would not have the time.

If what you were saying was true, Connor would’ve made the Jets a year sooner, and Ehlers wouldn’t have struggled for like 35 games next to Thorburn
- Rexypoo

Ehlers is a great example of a player being misused by the Jets. If he had the same ice time and opportunity as Wheeler. He might be a 100 point player. However being limited to only 12 minutes a game, we get what we get. In my opinion.

You’ve clearly missed the entire point of this exercise. That point being: No. He would not. He would not have the time.

If what you were saying was true, Connor would’ve made the Jets a year sooner, and Ehlers wouldn’t have struggled for like 35 games next to Thorburn
- Rexypoo

Actually Conner is a good example of not actually "earning" his spot. He couldn't make the team, was sent to the minors for 4 games until Perreault got hurt then was put on the first line.

Actually Conner is a good example of not actually "earning" his spot. He couldn't make the team, was sent to the minors for 4 games until Perreault got hurt then was put on the first line.
- BWJumper

See, now you’ve got me in a bind.

On one hand. I was very AngryMad about how Connor was used before that Perreault injury got him on the top line, to the point where I created a damn catchphrase for the man in an effort to will his permanent roster spot into being after his final call up. Kyle “Isyaboi” Connor was the cart I hitched my horse to in 2016 and 2017.

On the other hand, I don’t think he’s shown any real improvement since then, and due Wheeler and Scheifele stepping down performance wise, I feel Connor is way overexposed, and needs to be sheltered going forward.

I think the smartest thing to do here is throw my shrug in an ambiguous manner

Ehlers is a great example of a player being misused by the Jets. If he had the same ice time and opportunity as Wheeler. He might be a 100 point player. However being limited to only 12 minutes a game, we get what we get. In my opinion.
- TheUltimateJet

100 is pretty extreme. Point per game would definitely happen, though, along with the team defence improving

I read a post recently, I believe from Garret, saying if you played McDavid as an average 4th line centre at 5v5, he would end up with between 10 and 15 even strength points across a full season.
Deployment, linemates, ice time, etc. all makes a difference. Remember that when criticizing the next Petan or Dano for their “lack of production”.
- Rexypoo

only if you believe the post to have validity, I do not.

Dano was played in a big role for a short time in Columbus.
After that, the reality of not being played set in.
Nothing else about him changed. The numbers were still there.
- Rexypoo

there are a million Dano's and Petan's in the history of the NHL. move on

You’ve clearly missed the entire point of this exercise. That point being: No. He would not. He would not have the time.

If what you were saying was true, Connor would’ve made the Jets a year sooner, and Ehlers wouldn’t have struggled for like 35 games next to Thorburn
- Rexypoo

honest question, why do you believe certain people on Twitter so passionately? you have to know on some level there posts do not show the entire story and are set up to show specific things that prove their "theories" and if you look back over the last couple years, they have been wrong many, many times!!!!

there are a million Dano's and Petan's in the history of the NHL. move on
- Ross77

Didn't you hear - the sky is falling?

With the U.S. of A. election tomorrow, maybe it actually will?

Ehlers is a great example of a player being misused by the Jets. If he had the same ice time and opportunity as Wheeler. He might be a 100 point player. However being limited to only 12 minutes a game, we get what we get. In my opinion.
- TheUltimateJet

Love watching Ehlers play....but he seems to have a lack of finish.

Dano was played in a big role for a short time in Columbus.
After that, the reality of not being played set in.
Nothing else about him changed. The numbers were still there.
- Rexypoo

Dano was never a scorer at any level in his career. He caught fire for a period of time, a la John Druce, Chris Kontos.....
Petan on the other hand, scored and produced points at every level, just not the NHL. There are tons of Petans out there.
This is reality....accept it and stop blaming coaches and management.

Lowry was last year, yes.

Copp was our 2nd or 3rd best forward. Only Ehlers was demonstrably better. Copp was also the league’s best penalty killer, which was fun to learn
- Rexypoo

I don't mind Copp. But he is bottom 6 given the depth the Jets have up front. Lowry is offensively useless, but could be a great PK/physical factor. I could see Copp putting up decent numbers if he had time with decent puck posession players like Connor/Ras/Ehlers for sure. Scheiffs>Connor>Ehlers>Wheeler>Raslovic>Statsny>Laine>Copp/Harkins/Appleton>Perrault>Lowry

there are a million Dano's and Petan's in the history of the NHL. move on
- Ross77

Correct. But there doesn’t have to be. For every 10 Petan’s, you have a Brayden Point. For every 10 Dano’s, a Nichushkin.

Good teams make the most of their young talent.
That’s why you see Tampa, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc. all playing youngins all over their lineups

honest question, why do you believe certain people on Twitter so passionately? you have to know on some level there posts do not show the entire story and are set up to show specific things that prove their "theories" and if you look back over the last couple years, they have been wrong many, many times!!!!
- Ross77

I believe in evidence. Information. Statistical analysis. I use what I can from the sources I have access to. Most of it is behind paywalls nowadays.

Dano was never a scorer at any level in his career. He caught fire for a period of time, a la John Druce, Chris Kontos.....
Petan on the other hand, scored and produced points at every level, just not the NHL. There are tons of Petans out there.
This is reality....accept it and stop blaming coaches and management.
- bennythehat

Dano’s strength wasn’t his scoring. It was play driving. His possession numbers and defensive play was the impressive part for me. The scoring would’ve been a byproduct of being the driver on a line with more talented players.

As for Petan, his offence hasn’t been what was expected at the NHL level, but it’s not bad either. He, oddly enough, also does more for possession and defence than most people realize. He’s still an NHL player at this very moment.

The Jets aren’t exactly in a good place in terms of coaching and management, if you haven’t noticed. The team is massively underperforming, prospects aren’t playing, and players want out

I don't mind Copp. But he is bottom 6 given the depth the Jets have up front. Lowry is offensively useless, but could be a great PK/physical factor. I could see Copp putting up decent numbers if he had time with decent puck posession players like Connor/Ras/Ehlers for sure. Scheiffs>Connor>Ehlers>Wheeler>Raslovic>Statsny>Laine>Copp/Harkins/Appleton>Perrault>Lowry
- bikeguy99

You... you know that Copp is both A: better than Stastny at C, and B: the best play driver on the team not named “Mark” or “Nik”, right?

Connor is not a play driver at all. He’s actually a drag he’s all finish, no creation. He drowns away from Scheifele, and even with Scheifele most of the time since 2019.
We only really have 4 play drivers at this moment (55,27,9,25), 5 if you count Laine.

You’ve clearly missed the entire point of this exercise. That point being: No. He would not. He would not have the time.

If what you were saying was true, Connor would’ve made the Jets a year sooner, and Ehlers wouldn’t have struggled for like 35 games next to Thorburn
- Rexypoo

Seeing as McDavid scores 27-30 points in 20 games where he plays 20-25 minutes per night, I'd say it's safe to assume that he WOULD score 10-15 points in the same 20 games if his ice time were cut in half to that of a 3rd/4th liner. He is an elite player who gets his points no matter whom he plays with, and as was said, he would impress and be given more ice time in a heartbeat.

This is all foolish comparison, though. If either Petan or Dano had the goods, they would have made it. Dano was a spare part in Chicago and Colorado, and now looks to be again back with Columbus. So come on! I'll admit that jury is still out (somewhat) on Petan . . . Maybe if he'd land on a team that didn't have such a strong top 6 (first Winnipeg, then Toronto), he'd have more opportunity, but this is not a new dilemma for young NHLers. Some players it works out and some it doesn't, and there are a million contributing factors as to why.

Correct. But there doesn’t have to be. For every 10 Petan’s, you have a Brayden Point. For every 10 Dano’s, a Nichushkin.

Good teams make the most of their young talent.
That’s why you see Tampa, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, etc. all playing youngins all over their lineups
- Rexypoo

the same Tampa team that brought in Bogo, Schenn and Maroon to get them over the hump? those youngins.

the difference between the oldest and youngest team in the league is probably less than 3 years.

I believe in evidence. Information. Statistical analysis. I use what I can from the sources I have access to. Most of it is behind paywalls nowadays.
- Rexypoo

the problem though Rexy is that those stats and evidence is still severely flawed by perspective and opinion and when its proven wrong......wait for it...….. its all luck, coaching and goaltenders fault

the same Tampa team that brought in Bogo, Schenn and Maroon to get them over the hump? those youngins.

the difference between the oldest and youngest team in the league is probably less than 3 years.
- Ross77

Pittsburgh has to bring in young talent because they have so much money tied up in Crosby, Malkin, and Letang. $ 25 million for 3 players....that leaves about 56 million for the remaining 20 players.

Seeing as McDavid scores 27-30 points in 20 games where he plays 20-25 minutes per night, I'd say it's safe to assume that he WOULD score 10-15 points in the same 20 games if his ice time were cut in half to that of a 3rd/4th liner. He is an elite player who gets his points no matter whom he plays with, and as was said, he would impress and be given more ice time in a heartbeat.

This is all foolish comparison, though. If either Petan or Dano had the goods, they would have made it. Dano was a spare part in Chicago and Colorado, and now looks to be again back with Columbus. So come on! I'll admit that jury is still out (somewhat) on Petan . . . Maybe if he'd land on a team that didn't have such a strong top 6 (first Winnipeg, then Toronto), he'd have more opportunity, but this is not a new dilemma for young NHLers. Some players it works out and some it doesn't, and there are a million contributing factors as to why.
- Quillanrocks

No...no..no....don't you know that it's all Maurice's fault ?lol

Seeing as McDavid scores 27-30 points in 20 games where he plays 20-25 minutes per night, I'd say it's safe to assume that he WOULD score 10-15 points in the same 20 games if his ice time were cut in half to that of a 3rd/4th liner. He is an elite player who gets his points no matter whom he plays with, and as was said, he would impress and be given more ice time in a heartbeat.

This is all foolish comparison, though. If either Petan or Dano had the goods, they would have made it. Dano was a spare part in Chicago and Colorado, and now looks to be again back with Columbus. So come on! I'll admit that jury is still out (somewhat) on Petan . . . Maybe if he'd land on a team that didn't have such a strong top 6 (first Winnipeg, then Toronto), he'd have more opportunity, but this is not a new dilemma for young NHLers. Some players it works out and some it doesn't, and there are a million contributing factors as to why.
- Quillanrocks

A: McDavid wouldn’t produce anywhere near that much, because his linemate quality would decrease, and his ice time would be around 8-10, not 15.
B: Dano was traded for Saad. He was the biggest piece in the trade at the time, and the first thing they did was try him in Saad’s old spot with Toews and Hossa. Coach Q just didn’t have the patience for young players when he’s trying to chase a cup before the window slams shut.
C: so many factors go into a player making it, or not making it, that are entirely out of their control.
Look at Nichushkin, or Ho-Sang, or Puljujarvi, or even early 20s PK Subban. One was held back by being miscast as a scorer, one never had a chance after getting a problem tag before he was even drafted, one was constantly put in a position to fail in the bottom 6, and one was kept in the A as an over-ripe defenceman because of the salary cap.

Coaches and GMs are just as prone to issues as any player.

the same Tampa team that brought in Bogo, Schenn and Maroon to get them over the hump? those youngins.

the difference between the oldest and youngest team in the league is probably less than 3 years.
- Ross77

Bogo and Schenn were non-factors.
Maroon is a strong top 6 forward playing near league minimum. What that’s an example of, I do not know, but it’s not the one you’re trying to make

the problem though Rexy is that those stats and evidence is still severely flawed by perspective and opinion and when its proven wrong......wait for it...….. its all luck, coaching and goaltenders fault
- Ross77

But, like, no. They’re not perspective or opinion based. They are a record of events. The results cannot be opinion based. They are what happened.