The issue here is not how Patrick's condition has progressed but if the Flyers are lying about his condition.

I think some of the experts on here should contact Dr. Jeffery Kutcher and help him out with their expertise.

Here is some info on the doctor who diagnosed Patrick. There a phone number listed. Give him a call and help him out.


https://www.thesportsneur...ic.com/jeffrey-kutcher-md
- MJL

Chronic migraine disorder. Means multiple migraines a month that can last days.....
Patrick” saw specialist for a problem and didn’t have another issue with it for 7-8 years “
Hmmmmmm?
Mjl continues to make case for childhood issue when clearly the evidence contrary.

Mjl continues to use these false statements to make claim team didn’t lie about migraines not being concussion related which they said training camp 2019. And later blamed after medical diagnosis in 12/19 blaming childhood migraine history.

Again he “haven’t had problem for 7-8 years”

Chronic migraine disorder ( multiple migraines a month can last for days)


Hmmmmmmmm comprehend?

Where is Mr Login when you need him ?

Where is Mr Login when you need him ?
- Angus4444

Ha ha.

He posted something repulsive, even by his standards. The post vanished, and so did he.

I didn't know that The Staples Singers did a cover of it (with other different versions: single mix, club mix, and instrumental mix—why would a group with "Singers" in its name do an instrumental?!). Which is cool because Pops Staples also sang Papa Legba for the True Stories movie (included as an extra track on the album re-release).
- Bendecko

Never heard the Pops Staples version - thanks

I stumbled on this SS version of SP while going down a rabbit hole that started with David Byrnes cover of Just A Friend.

Here is the test, just to end this:

1. An athlete who had no symptoms for 8 years at least.

2. Then suddenly missing 18 months at a stretch because of migraines.

The careers being ended do not include point 1. The missed games here and there do not include 2.

I don;t think anyone will be able to provide a single example. Doesn't mean it can't happen. Just that it is unusual based on past history.

But good luck thinking that will end matters. If you don't stop, he never will.
- PT21

The standard which you are using to determine it is unusual is asinine. The expert who I linked to says it's not unusual.

Here is what we know for a fact. Dr. Jeffery Kutcher, an internationally recognized expert and sports neurology pioneer, specializing in the diagnosis and management of concussion, post-concussion syndrome and neurological conditions in athletes, diagnosed Patrick as having a migraine disorder.

Here are some of his credentials.

Dr. Kutcher was a member and co-author of the International Consensus Conference on Concussion in Sport in Zurich (2012) and Berlin (2016.)

Dr. Kutcher founded and directed the University of Michigan NeuroSport Program where he established the first fellowship in Sports Neurology in 2012.

Dr. Kutcher founded the Sports Neurology Section of the American Academy of Neurology (AAN)

Dr. Kutcher is a Team Physician for US Ski and Snowboard and served as the Team Neurologist for the U.S. Olympic Team at the 2014 (Sochi) and 2018 (PyeongChang) Winter Games.

Dr. Kutcher also serves as the Director of the NBA concussion program and has helped develop the concussion policies of the NCAA as well as several college athletic programs and conferences.

Additionally, Dr. Kutcher works as an advisor to the National Football League (NFL) Players' Association and National Hockey League (NHL) Players’ Association.

Please note how heavily his expertise is in the area of concussions. This Doctor says that Patrick has a migraine condition.

Now is it possible that his diagnosis is incorrect? Of course it is. Incorrect diagnoses happen all the time.

Again, the premise being debated here is that they know it's a concussion issue and the Flyers are lying about it.

We can go with what this guy says, or we can go with we can't find an article written pre draft that says he had migraines and poster here can't name someone who had their career derailed for 18 months so therefore the Flyers are lying about his condition.

Yet, you claim to be an academic and a scholar!

There is zero cause for suspicion. Stating that there is, is idiotic and lacks logic.
- MJL

How about this. If (hopefully when) nopa comes back and it comes out that he had concussion that led to migraines and that’s why he missed so much time would you them admit that the team lied? I mean if that happens then team had to have lied right? Stating in camp ‘19 not concussion related then in 12/19 after medical diagnosis blaming migraines on childhood condition and still not disclosing a concussion. And still to this day not disclosing a concussion. Can we agree if it comes out he indeed did receive concussion team lied? And then we wait til the nopa saga plays out? This is a peace offering I think is fair to both sides. Bragging rights to be determined at a later date. Or would you still say team didn’t lie for some reason

Ha ha.

He posted something repulsive, even by his standards. The post vanished, and so did he.
- PT21

It was against me. Really horrible , vile post. I’m sure he got 30 days.

Chronic migraine disorder. Means multiple migraines a month that can last days.....
Patrick” saw specialist for a problem and didn’t have another issue with it for 7-8 years “
Hmmmmmm?
Mjl continues to make case for childhood issue when clearly the evidence contrary.

Mjl continues to use these false statements to make claim team didn’t lie about migraines not being concussion related which they said training camp 2019. And later blamed after medical diagnosis in 12/19 blaming childhood migraine history.

Again he “haven’t had problem for 7-8 years”

Chronic migraine disorder ( multiple migraines a month can last for days)


Hmmmmmmmm comprehend?
- SMS4016

It is documented that Patrick had some migraine issue pre draft back in juniors as well as a family history. It is not documented that he had a chronic migraine issue back in juniors.
Patrick saw a specialist for an eye issue, not a chronic migraine issue, and didn't have another issue for 7-8 years.

Nothing about any of that is false. You have a reading comprehension issue.

Ha ha.

He posted something repulsive, even by his standards. The post vanished, and so did he.
- PT21

What did he say

How about this. If (hopefully when) nopa comes back and it comes out that he had concussion that led to migraines and that’s why he missed so much time would you them admit that the team lied? I mean if that happens then team had to have lied right? Stating in camp ‘19 not concussion related then in 12/19 after medical diagnosis blaming migraines on childhood condition and still not disclosing a concussion. And still to this day not disclosing a concussion. Can we agree if it comes out he indeed did receive concussion team lied? And then we wait til the nopa saga plays out? This is a peace offering I think is fair to both sides. Bragging rights to be determined at a later date. Or would you still say team didn’t lie for some reason
- SMS4016

You have it backwards. Concussions are the triggers of migraines not the other way around. There is no doubt that some head trauma has contributed to his condition. Again, a leading concussion expert has diagnosed Patrick as having a migraine disorder.

This is way too easy and it's starting to bore me.

The standard which you are using to determine it is unusual is asinine. The expert who I linked to says it's not unusual.

Here is what we know for a fact. Dr. Jeffery Kutcher, an internationally recognized expert and sports neurology pioneer, specializing in the diagnosis and management of concussion, post-concussion syndrome and neurological conditions in athletes, diagnosed Patrick as having a migraine disorder.

Here are some of his credentials.

Dr. Kutcher was a member and co-author of the International Consensus Conference on Concussion in Sport in Zurich (2012) and Berlin (2016.)

Dr. Kutcher founded and directed the University of Michigan NeuroSport Program where he established the first fellowship in Sports Neurology in 2012.

Dr. Kutcher founded the Sports Neurology Section of the American Academy of Neurology (AAN)

Dr. Kutcher is a Team Physician for US Ski and Snowboard and served as the Team Neurologist for the U.S. Olympic Team at the 2014 (Sochi) and 2018 (PyeongChang) Winter Games.

Dr. Kutcher also serves as the Director of the NBA concussion program and has helped develop the concussion policies of the NCAA as well as several college athletic programs and conferences.

Additionally, Dr. Kutcher works as an advisor to the National Football League (NFL) Players' Association and National Hockey League (NHL) Players’ Association.

Please note how heavily his expertise is in the area of concussions. This Doctor says that Patrick has a migraine condition.

Now is it possible that his diagnosis is incorrect? Of course it is. Incorrect diagnoses happen all the time.

Again, the premise being debated here is that they know it's a concussion issue and the Flyers are lying about it.

We can go with what this guy says, or we can go with we can't find an article written pre draft that says he had migraines and poster here can't name someone who had their career derailed for 18 months

Yet, you claim to be an academic and a scholar!
- MJL

You are citing a doctor and a medical diagnosis that no one debates. All chronic migraine disorder means is when he examined nopa that is his CURRENT medical diagnosis. That doesn’t say when he got it. He might’ve told team or nopa it was due to concussion we don’t know. It has zero bearing on previous history including his childhood. You understand that right? If you go get tested and get cancer diagnosis does it mean you had cancer as a child? A diagnosis is what you have now or until it’s corrected. If I get diagnosed with appendicitis that means I have it. If I have surgery and have appendix taken out guess what. I won’t have appendicitis anymore. Nopa will have chronic migraine disorder diagnosis until he doesn’t meet the criteria for it if ever. Time will tell. But he didn’t have it as a child as team said. 7-8 years without a problem.

Ha ha.

He posted something repulsive, even by his standards. The post vanished, and so did he.
- PT21

Was it those Misfits lyrics that had a double meaning coming from him?

You are citing a doctor and a medical diagnosis that no one debates. All chronic migraine disorder means is when he examined nopa that is his CURRENT medical diagnosis. That doesn’t say when he got it. He might’ve told team or nopa it was due to concussion we don’t know. It has zero bearing on previous history including his childhood. You understand that right? If you go get tested and get cancer diagnosis does it mean you had cancer as a child? A diagnosis is what you have now or until it’s corrected. If I get diagnosed with appendicitis that means I have it. If I have surgery and have appendix taken out guess what. I won’t have appendicitis anymore. Nopa will have chronic migraine disorder diagnosis until he doesn’t meet the criteria for it if ever. Time will tell. But he didn’t have it as a child as team said. 7-8 years without a problem.
- SMS4016

This is all asinine. The team did not state that he had a chronic migraine issue as a child. Again, you have a reading comprehension issue.

And yes, you are debating that he has a migraine issue. You claim that the team is lying about that and he has a concussion issue. With each post you make, it gets dumber and dumber.

Was it those Misfits lyrics that had a double meaning coming from him?
- MBFlyerfan

Yeah.

I don't know about the double meaning, but if some song says something horrible and someone posts the horrible part, I don't think its much redemption/excuse if it is part of some song's lyrics.

It is documented that Patrick had some migraine issue pre draft back in juniors as well as a family history. It is not documented that he had a chronic migraine issue back in juniors.
Patrick saw a specialist for an eye issue, not a chronic migraine issue, and didn't have another issue for 7-8 years.

Nothing about any of that is false. You have a reading comprehension issue.
- MJL

Documented where? Back to this. Show any article pre6/17 showing it. Your “documentation “is articles during flyers playing days by media and flyers “stating” he had migraine issue which just so happens to not be found ANYWHERE pre 6/17. You cite false info as fact. Show a source from anywhere pre 6/17. Can’t find any? Then maybe you been duped. Lied to. Deceived. But by all means believe whatever is told to you and don’t have an original thought. Don’t research. Just trust. Explains the trump mindset for sure.

Documented where? Back to this. Show any article pre6/17 showing it. Your “documentation “is articles during flyers playing days by media and flyers “stating” he had migraine issue which just so happens to not be found ANYWHERE pre 6/17. You cite false info as fact. Show a source from anywhere pre 6/17. Can’t find any? Then maybe you been duped. Lied to. Deceived. But by all means believe whatever is told to you and don’t have an original thought. Don’t research. Just trust. Explains the trump mindset for sure.
- SMS4016

You have zero proof that it is false. You're embarrassing yourself.

Chronic migraine disorder
- SMS4016

Has it been definitively stated anywhere that his condition has been diagnosed as chronic? Aren't there other types on the migraine spectrum (continuum) and can be instead classified as episodic (acute)?

I don't think I've ever seen it described as chronic when specifically pertaining to Patrick in anything I've read in the media. So if it is chronic, do you have a link stating it as such.

Never heard the Pops Staples version - thanks
- Scoob

He was in the True Stories movie. If you haven't seen it, the actors all did versions of the songs from the album in it. So Pops did Legba.

I don't know if it can be streamed. My guess is that you'll have to rent/buy the DVD. John Goodman had an early role before his breakout on Raising Arizona and Rosanne (yeah he was in Revenge of the Nerds but that was another early small role). I just find that interesting because I also thought he and Chris Frantz had somewhat of a resemblance to each other when they were younger and still of similar size (though Goodman has thankfully lost a lot of weight going on for some time now).

Was it those Misfits lyrics that had a double meaning coming from him?
- MBFlyerfan

The lyrics that were quoted disparaged Angus' mother. That's what I remember.

Has it been definitively stated anywhere that his condition has been diagnosed as chronic? Aren't there other types on the migraine spectrum (continuum) and can be instead classified as episodic (acute)?

I don't think I've ever seen it described as chronic when specifically pertaining to Patrick in anything I've read in the media. So if it is chronic, do you have a link stating it as such.
- Bendecko

I would think with all the time that he missed that it is at a chronic level.

Yeah.

I don't know about the double meaning, but if some song says something horrible and someone posts the horrible part, I don't think its much redemption/excuse if it is part of some song's lyrics.
- PT21

By double meaning I mean that while he was hiding behind a lyric that talked about raping someone's mother, he posted them for that specific threat.

He knew what he was doing. And that was why I hit the flag button on it. ( and Im sure I wasn't the only one)

Has it been definitively stated anywhere that his condition has been diagnosed as chronic? Aren't there other types on the migraine spectrum (continuum) and can be instead classified as episodic (acute)?

I don't think I've ever seen it described as chronic when specifically pertaining to Patrick in anything I've read in the media. So if it is chronic, do you have a link stating it as such.
- Bendecko

They went away for like 10 years? Doesn’t sound chronic to me...but unlike the other doctor’s on this talkshow I only play one on TV.

By double meaning I mean that while he was hiding behind a lyric that talked about raping someone's mother, he posted them for that specific threat.

He knew what he was doing. And that was why I hit the flag button on it. ( and Im sure I wasn't the only one)
- MBFlyerfan

I flag a decent amount of his posts. I didn’t see that one though.

You have it backwards. Concussions are the triggers of migraines not the other way around. There is no doubt that some head trauma has contributed to his condition. Again, a leading concussion expert has diagnosed Patrick as having a migraine disorder.

This is way too easy and it's starting to bore me.
- MJL

Migraines are a symptom of concussion. Popular triggers of migraines... sensitivity to light , diet, exercise, chocolate, caffeine, sleep deprivation ,etc.. you still haven’t answered the question. If it comes out nopa suffered concussion and that’s what the migraines were from will you admit you were wrong and the team did lie? Yes or no

This is all asinine. The team did not state that he had a chronic migraine issue as a child. Again, you have a reading comprehension issue.

And yes, you are debating that he has a migraine issue. You claim that the team is lying about that and he has a concussion issue. With each post you make, it gets dumber and dumber.
- MJL

Yes they did say he had childhood condition. When report of diagnosis came out in 12/19 saying chronic migraine disorder they said he has family history and he suffered from child hood migraines.