Did you read the article? Nowhere in it did he say he had migraines as a kid. He said he saw a eye doctor for an issue and had no further problems for 7-8 years. That’s not gonna lead to chronic migraine disorder. He also did say currently as of 12/3/19 when article was written that he had “more issues than migraines but he wasn’t gonna get into that”. That’s a concussion. But believe what you want. Obvious trumper reading article and trying to twist the clear statements and info to fit the mjl narrative.
- SMS4016

Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired if that was your take away from this:

He has seen numerous specialists, including an eye doctor, for a problem he had “as a kid, and then it went away, and I never had it again for probably seven or eight years," he said in October.

EDIT: Added underline to quote for emphasis. Seeing multiple specialists implies his primary physician(s) knew of the effects (migraines) but not of a possible underlying cause. Seeing different specialists is an attempt to figure it out in case there are other health implications.

He’s either holding out for a multi year deal or is waiting for a Specific team To clear space in order to sign....pretty sure he’s had a few offers. Or maybe as simple as he’s asking for too much $.

- landros 2

I thought he was going to the Bruins for sure. There absence of a legit scoring theat on the 2nd line in the playoffs really hurt them. Hoffman would complement Krejki nicely and DeBrusk could slide 1 line down.

From Dr. Stephanie J. Nahas, a neurologist at the Thomas Jefferson University Headache Center

"There are plenty of elite athletes who deal with migraines that are pretty substantial, but luckily are able to manage it. Others whose careers have been completely derailed by migraine, whether they had a head injury or not.”
- MJL

Yes totally right. But they don’t miss 18 months of actions do they. As example, if nopa was just dealing with migraines NOT RELATED TO TRAUMA (concussion most likely) then he’d be in and out of lineup kinda like forsberg with his ankle injury. Play a few game be out a few at worse. Not miss 18 months. You get posting links to articles from medical experts that support my thesis. Again keep looking and find me 1 case where some athlete missed 18 straight months WITHOUT trauma in ANY sport from just migraines. Not articles that say it’s hard or difficult to deal with and affects the athlete. That’s obvious and undisputed. No one ever said the rigor of training playing a professional sport would be harder to deal with than the average joe. That’s indisputable. But it wouldn’t EVER put an athlete out 18 months straight without a trauma attached. Show me 1 case and I’ll admit I’m wrong or there is doubt I’m wrong. 1 case. Just 1 should be easy to find. Except when there isn’t any

Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired if that was your take away from this:
- Bendecko

Saw someone for a problem. Never had the problem again for 7-8 years. I can assure never ever has it happened or will happen if you have migraines and are diagnosed with migraines will you go 7-8 years without one. NEVER. I wish that were the case. And if you have an issue medically and migraines are a symptom or side affect of the condition and the migraines go away for 7-8 years then you never had chronic migraine disorder. Ask around as I’m sure you and almost anyone knows someone (family,friend,coworker ) who suffers migraines and ask them if they ever have gone 7-8 years in between episodes. They’ll laugh at you.

Why the heck is Hoffman not getting that 1 year deal yet? I don't get it.
- PT21

He’s waiting for the pens to clear some space

Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired if that was your take away from this:
- Bendecko

He saw specialists other than the eye doctor.

But the critical part is the gap of 7-8 years. Assuming that was 8 years prior to current ailment, that would be 2010-2018, which would include all of juniors.

That's a pretty long gap for episodic and of course impossible for chronic.

So, the question is, how likely is it medically that what is at worst a very mild case of episodic migraines so suddenly progress to chronic migraines?

He’s waiting for the pens to clear some space
- stayinthefnnet

Ohh, really? I don't want him flanking Malkin or Sid. Good god. He will pot 45 goals.

Yes totally right. But they don’t miss 18 months of actions do they. As example, if nopa was just dealing with migraines NOT RELATED TO TRAUMA (concussion most likely) then he’d be in and out of lineup kinda like forsberg with his ankle injury. Play a few game be out a few at worse. Not miss 18 months. You get posting links to articles from medical experts that support my thesis. Again keep looking and find me 1 case where some athlete missed 18 straight months WITHOUT trauma in ANY sport from just migraines. Not articles that say it’s hard or difficult to deal with and affects the athlete. That’s obvious and undisputed. No one ever said the rigor of training playing a professional sport would be harder to deal with than the average joe. That’s indisputable. But it wouldn’t EVER put an athlete out 18 months straight without a trauma attached. Show me 1 case and I’ll admit I’m wrong or there is doubt I’m wrong. 1 case. Just 1 should be easy to find. Except when there isn’t any
- SMS4016

Now your comparing a brain disease and head trauma to an ankle injury. You expose yourself more and more with every post. Do I actually need to explain to you what completely derailed means? Can you prove that no elite athlete has never missed 18 months or more from a migraine disease? Of course you can't. You keep hanging on unknowns. You also keep acting as if there was no trauma attached. That's been well documented. The trauma is a possible part of it as referenced by the actual expert in the article I linked. I'm not sure how long I'm going to humor myself in continuing to debate with you. I guess as long as it humors me to make you look stupid.

Your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired if that was your take away from this:


EDIT: Added underline to quote for emphasis. Seeing multiple specialists implies his primary physician(s) knew of the effects (migraines) but not of a possible underlying cause. Seeing different specialists is an attempt to figure it out in case there are other health implications.
- Bendecko

And you notice he didn’t disclose what the problem was? Could be anything. Notice he didn’t say the problem was migraines? Migraines don’t lay dormant for 7-8 years. My guess he was checked for concussion as kid. Do to playing hockey. Which would explain seeing many specialist but could really be anything. But again him saying no problem for 7-8 years definitely eliminates migraine issue and debate as a child

He saw specialists other than the eye doctor.

But the critical part is the gap of 7-8 years. Assuming that was 8 years prior to current ailment, that would be 2010-2018, which would include all of juniors.

That's a pretty long gap for episodic and of course impossible for chronic.

So, the question is, how likely is it medically that what is at worst a very mild case of episodic migraines so suddenly progress to chronic migraines?
- PT21

The issue here is not how Patrick's condition has progressed but if the Flyers are lying about his condition.

I think some of the experts on here should contact Dr. Jeffery Kutcher and help him out with their expertise.

Here is some info on the doctor who diagnosed Patrick. There a phone number listed. Give him a call and help him out.


https://www.thesportsneur...ic.com/jeffrey-kutcher-md

Other articles have been posted detailing that Patrick had migraine issues pre draft as well as a family history. If you want to be ignorant and ignore that then that is your issue.
- MJL

Show 1 article before June/2017

Ohh, really? I don't want him flanking Malkin or Sid. Good god. He will pot 45 goals.
- PT21

He would, but no, not really.


jr got his wet dream in Cody cici. Jack Johnson, part deux

From Dr. Stephanie J. Nahas, a neurologist at the Thomas Jefferson University Headache Center

"There are plenty of elite athletes who deal with migraines that are pretty substantial, but luckily are able to manage it. Others whose careers have been completely derailed by migraine, whether they had a head injury or not.”
- MJL

Nobody said there career wouldn’t or couldn’t be derailed by migraines. Show 1 where case where it was derailed 18 months WITHOUT trauma. If nopa comes back and plays and is a 60 game a year player like forsberg was with ankle issue was then yep nopa career would be derailed by migraines. Again keep looking for article to fit your narrative but in NONE of these articles will you find a player missed 18 or anything close to it from chronic migraine disorder without trauma to the head.

He saw specialists other than the eye doctor.

But the critical part is the gap of 7-8 years. Assuming that was 8 years prior to current ailment, that would be 2010-2018, which would include all of juniors.

That's a pretty long gap for episodic and of course impossible for chronic.

So, the question is, how likely is it medically that what is at worst a very mild case of episodic migraines so suddenly progress to chronic migraines?
- PT21

Without a trauma? Zero

Nobody said there career wouldn’t or couldn’t be derailed by migraines. Show 1 where case where it was derailed 18 months WITHOUT trauma. If nopa comes back and plays and is a 60 game a year player like forsberg was with ankle issue was then yep nopa career would be derailed by migraines. Again keep looking for article to fit your narrative but in NONE of these articles will you find a player missed 18 or anything close to it from chronic migraine disorder without trauma to the head.
- SMS4016

Why am I not surprised. "Others whose careers have been completely derailed by migraine, whether they had a head injury or not.” means that their career has been ended by migraines.

Now your comparing a brain disease and head trauma to an ankle injury. You expose yourself more and more with every post. Do I actually need to explain to you what completely derailed means? Can you prove that no elite athlete has never missed 18 months or more from a migraine disease? Of course you can't. You keep hanging on unknowns. You also keep acting as if there was no trauma attached. That's been well documented. The trauma is a possible part of it as referenced by the actual expert in the article I linked. I'm not sure how long I'm going to humor myself in continuing to debate with you. I guess as long as it humors me to make you look stupid.
- MJL

Can you prove an athlete missed 18 months? Yeah very easy to prove it happened. You can easily show how many games a player missed per season by what they played. How long was Crosby out? Many articles saying exactly when they last played. And why.

Without a trauma? Zero
- SMS4016

I do no know whether that number is right or wrong.

You haven't proved there is more than meets the eye (no pun intended) but you have certainly proved probable cause for suspicion (to me).

Without a trauma? Zero
- SMS4016

From Dr. Stephanie J. Nahas, a neurologist at the Thomas Jefferson University Headache Center

"“That’s not a rule, of course. There are plenty of elite athletes who deal with migraines that are pretty substantial, but luckily are able to manage it. Others whose careers have been completely derailed by migraine, whether they had a head injury or not"

He would, but no, not really.


jr got his wet dream in Cody cici. Jack Johnson, part deux
- stayinthefnnet

Not really to potting 45? Why? Didn't Huberdeau mostly play LW on Barkov's line? I don;t even know who the Panthers 2C is.

He saw specialists other than the eye doctor.

But the critical part is the gap of 7-8 years. Assuming that was 8 years prior to current ailment, that would be 2010-2018, which would include all of juniors.

That's a pretty long gap for episodic and of course impossible for chronic.

So, the question is, how likely is it medically that what is at worst a very mild case of episodic migraines so suddenly progress to chronic migraines?
- PT21

Critical part 7-8 years thank you for logically reading and coming to I would think very logically coming to conclusion it can’t be “chronic” whether you suffer from migraines or have any understanding of them and that’s without doing 1 lick of research. But yeah my reading comprehension sucks because I don’t twist words to fit a narrative. Funny isn’t it. Or hilarious as some would put it

I do no know whether that number is right or wrong.

You haven't proved there is more than meets the eye (no pun intended) but you have certainly proved probable cause for suspicion (to me).
- PT21

There is zero cause for suspicion. Stating that there is, is idiotic and lacks logic.

Now your comparing a brain disease and head trauma to an ankle injury. You expose yourself more and more with every post. Do I actually need to explain to you what completely derailed means? Can you prove that no elite athlete has never missed 18 months or more from a migraine disease? Of course you can't. You keep hanging on unknowns. You also keep acting as if there was no trauma attached. That's been well documented. The trauma is a possible part of it as referenced by the actual expert in the article I linked. I'm not sure how long I'm going to humor myself in continuing to debate with you. I guess as long as it humors me to make you look stupid.
- MJL

And I didn’t compare trauma to ankle injury. Because you can’t comprehend words it’s an example to time played and missed and frequency. It’s called context. Learn it

And I didn’t compare trauma to ankle injury. Because you can’t comprehend words it’s an example to time played and missed and frequency. It’s called context. Learn it
- SMS4016

Why would anyone use the example of playing time missed due to an ankle injury in the context of discussing a player who has missed time with a brain disease. I don't have to make any effort to make you look stupid. Just keep dropping bread crumbs as you follow.

Stop Making Sense was also a great movie.
- PT21

I wholeheartedly agree. The CD is one of my favorite live albums.

Critical part 7-8 years thank you for logically reading and coming to I would think very logically coming to conclusion it can’t be “chronic” whether you suffer from migraines or have any understanding of them and that’s without doing 1 lick of research. But yeah my reading comprehension sucks because I don’t twist words to fit a narrative. Funny isn’t it. Or hilarious as some would put it
- SMS4016

Here is the test, just to end this:

1. An athlete who had no symptoms for 8 years at least.

2. Then suddenly missing 18 months at a stretch because of migraines.

The careers being ended do not include point 1. The missed games here and there do not include 2.

I don;t think anyone will be able to provide a single example. Doesn't mean it can't happen. Just that it is unusual based on past history.

But good luck thinking that will end matters. If you don't stop, he never will.