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VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 10:56 AM ET
How can we afford Cernak? Bolts won't take a cap dump, and we would need to clear probably at least 4.5m to sign him.
- Retinalz


It would probably start with one of Pod, Hog and a first.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Oct 29 @ 10:58 AM ET
It would probably start with Pod or Hog and a first.
- VanHockeyGuy

Cernak isn't worth more then Miller. We could easily OS him for a 2nd and they can't match it without paying heavily to get under cap. And if they did, say good by to Sergachev and Cireli. I would wager a crap ton that TB would rather keep Sergachev than Cernak.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
How can we afford Cernak? Bolts won't take a cap dump, and we would need to clear probably at least 4.5m to sign him.
- Retinalz

Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
Cernak isn't worth more then Miller. We could easily OS him for a 2nd and they can't match it without paying heavily to get under cap. And if they did, say good by to Sergachev and Cireli. I would wager a crap ton that TB would rather keep Sergachev than Cernak.
- Retinalz

Yes unless cap space is more valued which it might very well be given their position.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:01 AM ET
Cernak isn't worth more then Miller. We could easily OS him for a 2nd and they can't match it without paying heavily to get under cap. And if they did, say good by to Sergachev and Cireli. I would wager a crap ton that TB would rather keep Sergachev than Cernak.
- Retinalz



There's a premium on young D and JB isn't shy about throwing assets at someone he likes.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:06 AM ET
There's a premium on young D and JB isn't shy about throwing assets at someone he likes.
- VanHockeyGuy

You're right, but these last couple years have proven that he is not incompetent. He knows the pickle TB is in and if he went after Cernak, he wouldn't be paying our 1st or one of our top 2 prospects. If we can clear the cap for Cernak, he is definitely our best option. Benn and Sven could probably both be dumped fairly cheap, retain a bit on Sven to make it work as well.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 29 @ 11:09 AM ET
It would probably start with one of Pod, Hog and a first.
- VanHockeyGuy

Wasn't the same thing said about Schmidt.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:12 AM ET
Wasn't the same thing said about Schmidt.
- Makita

VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:16 AM ET
You're right, but these last couple years have proven that he is not incompetent. He knows the pickle TB is in and if he went after Cernak, he wouldn't be paying our 1st or one of our top 2 prospects. If we can clear the cap for Cernak, he is definitely our best option. Benn and Sven could probably both be dumped fairly cheap, retain a bit on Sven to make it work as well.
- Retinalz


Cernak would be a nice fit on this team.
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 29 @ 11:17 AM ET

- VanHockeyGuy

It was a real question but glad it amused you, we need more laughter and happiness in the world..
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 29 @ 11:19 AM ET
Wasn't the same thing said about Schmidt.
- Makita

It was stated that he wouldn't be traded to a divisional rival.
The salary cap is never an issue.
K-man25
Calgary Flames
Location: Sayulita
Joined: 09.02.2014

Oct 29 @ 11:20 AM ET
Tanev is a defensive beast, offensively he is absolutely terrible. He would probably stay healthy/we would get shot on less if he knew how to pinch(an issue I have had with him for years). I am glad I no longer need to watch as he starts skating back instead of trying to keep the play alive with a board battle. Especially when he could easily be first to the puck, but decides to turn tail and prepare to defend.
Tanev was great for us, provided a steady partner for Hughes, but 4 years is too long and we upgraded with Schmidt.

EDIT: So to say Tanev was the most intelligent is completely wrong. The guy only knew defense and was always an offensive liability.

- Retinalz

Now that he’s got some back checking forwards on his team, his game will evolve.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:21 AM ET
You're right, but these last couple years have proven that he is not incompetent. He knows the pickle TB is in and if he went after Cernak, he wouldn't be paying our 1st or one of our top 2 prospects. If we can clear the cap for Cernak, he is definitely our best option. Benn and Sven could probably both be dumped fairly cheap, retain a bit on Sven to make it work as well.
- Retinalz


If an offer sheet would be a 2nd, I would assume it would take just a slight bit more for them to trade him. A 2nd plus a prospect (Raffert/Rathbone/Juolevi/Lind/whoever from that tier)

I wonder what would happen if 3 GMs got together and all schemed to offer sheet Cereli, Cernak, and Sergachev on the same day. What the hell would Tampa do?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:26 AM ET
It was a real question but glad it amused you, we need more laughter and happiness in the world..
- Makita


Kelly McCrimmon reached out to JB after Tavev & Stecher walked, needing to dump Schmidt for the Pietrangelo deal. Even a fool get's lucky once in awhile.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:27 AM ET
If an offer sheet would be a 2nd, I would assume it would take just a slight bit more for them to trade him. A 2nd plus a prospect (Raffert/Rathbone/Juolevi/Lind/whoever from that tier)

I wonder what would happen if 3 GMs got together and all schemed to offer sheet Cereli, Cernak, and Sergachev on the same day. What the hell would Tampa do?

- NewYorkNuck


Do you really think Benning would do an offer sheet, let alone threaten one?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:28 AM ET
TB is in a real pickle. Which domino 1st?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:30 AM ET
As much as I enjoy taking the piss out of JB, I'd be over the moon if that idiot could land Cernak.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:31 AM ET
Do you really think Benning would do an offer sheet, let alone threaten one?
- VanHockeyGuy


No, but I don't think there are many GMs in the league that would – hence why no one is offer sheeting Tampa. Or offer sheeting at all recently. Not only a JB thing, but a league feeling.

And I was just saying 3 GMs, not our GM plus another two
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Oct 29 @ 11:32 AM ET


Hockeu IQ is the most subjective argument in hockey, i believe the most useless..
If you believe in Hockey IQ, then we just let the most intelligent player sign with Calgary...Tanev.
Now if you are talking skill, Hoglander will be a super duper star and Hughes will own the Norris for a decade.

- Reubenkincade

Pettersson has the highest hockey IQ on the team, followed by Hughes. Don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:33 AM ET
Pettersson has the highest hockey IQ on the team, followed by Hughes. Don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
- NorthNuck



JB has the highest IQ on the team.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 29 @ 11:37 AM ET
No, but I don't think there are many GMs in the league that would – hence why no one is offer sheeting Tampa. Or offer sheeting at all recently. Not only a JB thing, but a league feeling.

And I was just saying 3 GMs, not our GM plus another two

- NewYorkNuck

There is no rush for an OS which so much up in the air. TB is in a big bind whether or not now or later. Nobody is lining up to take on cap.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Oct 29 @ 11:39 AM ET
There is no rush for an OS which so much up in the air. TB is in a big bind whether or not now or later. Nobody is lining up to take on cap.
- Nighthawk


Agree, but if you can land Cernak at a reasonable price, act now.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM ET
There is no rush for an OS which so much up in the air. TB is in a big bind whether or not now or later. Nobody is lining up to take on cap.
- Nighthawk


Maybe. Or, there is a rush for an OS with so much up in there air: no one knows what's going on, so they're less likely to make moves, so sending an OS to Tampa puts them in an even bigger bind.

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Oct 29 @ 12:17 PM ET
If an offer sheet would be a 2nd, I would assume it would take just a slight bit more for them to trade him. A 2nd plus a prospect (Raffert/Rathbone/Juolevi/Lind/whoever from that tier)

I wonder what would happen if 3 GMs got together and all schemed to offer sheet Cereli, Cernak, and Sergachev on the same day. What the hell would Tampa do?

- NewYorkNuck

Offer sheets aren’t a thing
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 29 @ 12:26 PM ET
Offer sheets aren’t a thing
- CanuckDon

Then a GM isn’t doing his job if he ignores an opportunity that helps his team.
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