Well that's... something.

I saw a few teams released 3rds already.. are the Sabres?
- TheSabresTaco

There are going to be reverse retro jerseys next year.

Ducks have the cartoon jumping through the ice already leaked, Philly and Pittsburgh already leaked, Sharks may be using a Seals uniform, Sabres could have a Buffalo Bisons sweater.

40 point players make $3.5 million.

I will still stand by that. What I didn’t say is an arbitration ruling would be that high.

Being a career anything doesn’t happen much unless you’re a superstar and even that isn’t a guarantee

Why want the same players year in year out when they haven’t made the playoffs in almost 10 years?
- Stripes77

I want the Sabres to keep the FEW guys that have put %100 effort on the ice.

I have always liked girgensons
I didnt like his game under the last coach (lousley)

Last year he was one of the bright spots.
12 goals and 5th in goal scoring on the Sabres.

Maybe they looked at skinners irrelevant, who's overpaid by at least 2.2 million per year and said "we can get 2 less goals out of a 3rd/4th line players " for 2.2?

Lol at anyone who think girgensons at 2.2 mill is a bad deal still.


That contract won’t kill us for overpaying him by 700K. Sorry to burst your bubbles


Okposo overpaid by 3 mill or skinner overpaid by 2- 3 million is way worse

Yet 700K extra is a bad deal 😂😂😂 My god the sky is falling
- Sabretooth9

I do, especially when that 37% raise could have gone towards maybe helping in signing say Hutton to play LD.

Dunlap to the Seahawks

Especially when his numbers say he wasn't very good.
- Buff36

Are you seriously retarded?

The number say he was the 5th best goal scorer on the team. He passed the eye test as well.

Played almost 14 minutes a game and was handicapped by Larsson and okposo

https://www.sportsbusines...020/10/27/NHL-Adidas.aspx

This is the NHL retro jersey reveal article, it's next month.

Let me guess, Sam's agent said , hey sabres , we realize you have the money and are willing to sign him regardless, we just want 5.2 million. Put the extra million towards girgensons overpayment.


Or

The free agent market is flooded with guys that are more suited to Ralph's vision. They just replaced him with a better winger and former league mvp. For 8 million.
We have younger cheaper guys. Maybe they move risto + to the peg for laine? Then use risto and Sam's salary to pay laine?

So why would we be locked into paying someone who flat out stopped skating and gave up glaringly on a play that cost the team the game? Having a 3rd party look at a piece of paper and determine a players worth? When the coach had a whole season to determine #23's actual value?

Sam's numbers are facts. His league ranking among wingers are facts.

Fact that he really hasnt done it without the best passer in the entire nhl?
- Boss34

A. Hall is a LW, Reinhart is a RW
B. They signed him to a 1 year deal, where he can walk if things do not go well.
C. What exactkly is Ralph's "vision" and do you have any quotes or links to back up that vision or just pure speculation because they made a boneheaded decision on Girgensons?

A. Hall is a LW, Reinhart is a RW
B. They signed him to a 1 year deal, where he can walk if things do not go well.
C. What exactkly is Ralph's "vision" and do you have any quotes or links to back up that vision or just pure speculation because they made a boneheaded decision on Girgensons?
- sbroads24

Krueger was looking for players with grit and sandpaper?
Not sure if I need to find an actual quote.

Then he signed cody eatkids and reider and other gritty guy's and let softies walk

Are you seriously retarded?

The number say he was the 5th best goal scorer on the team. He passed the eye test as well.

Played almost 14 minutes a game and was handicapped by Larsson and okposo
- Boss34

Ok, don't be Girgelson to much. Stop slobbin the Nob, he was horrible at his PK metrics, he didn't deserve the raise.

It’s not that it’s awful. It’s that they (Adams, Ralph and Pegulas) thought it was smart to overpay a 4th liner and give him 3 years. He’s overpaid by about 40%. It’s not the deals that absolutely kill teams but it’s a deal that shows their incompetence in seeing and signing players to value deals. You can pay a comparable player and a 13th forward what you paid him.
- Stripes77

A player like Curtis Lazar is comparable? The guy was on the 2nd best line last year. Would that line have been what it was with Curtis GD Lazar? They paid him for FA years and even though this group of Einsteins doesn't value a guy on the Sabres 2nd best line last year, 5th amount of minutes, and who plays aggressively, grinds and kills penalties and has some offensive skills other teams value that cocktail of a player. In trade discussions about other players his name may have come up in passing about how teams wanted him when GMJB was here so just because fans are sick of him here doesn't mean 2.2 is breaking the bank for stability in the bottom 6.

A player like Curtis Lazar is comparable? The guy was on the 2nd best line last year. Would that line have been what it was with Curtis GD Lazar? They paid him for FA years and even though this group of Einsteins doesn't value a guy on the Sabres 2nd best line last year, 5th amount of minutes, and who plays aggressively, grinds and kills penalties and has some offensive skills other teams value that cocktail of a player. In trade discussions about other players his name may have come up in passing about how teams wanted him when GMJB was here so just because fans are sick of him here doesn't mean 2.2 is breaking the bank for stability in the bottom 6.
- GilPerreault11

It is when other compatibles on other teams are getting 6-700,000 less.

I want the Sabres to keep the FEW guys that have put %100 effort on the ice.

I have always liked girgensons
I didnt like his game under the last coach (lousley)

Last year he was one of the bright spots.
12 goals and 5th in goal scoring on the Sabres.

Maybe they looked at skinners irrelevant, who's overpaid by at least 2.2 million per year and said "we can get 2 less goals out of a 3rd/4th line players " for 2.2?
- Boss34

Skinner scored two more goals, in 10 less games, shooting the lowest he's ever has, while Girgensons shot the highest he's ever had.

When there is a 20 goal gulf of a difference between the two this year, I look forward to revisiting this ridiculous conversation

It is when other compatibles on other teams are getting 6-700,000 less.
- Buff36

It is not all numbers as many on her sometimes like to say when it fits their narrative.

It is not all numbers as many on her sometimes like to say when it fits their narrative.
- GilPerreault11

Fit what narrative, Derek Grant is the a very good comparible to Girgs and he signed a 3yr 1.5mill avv

Ok, don't be Girgelson to much. Stop slobbin the Nob, he was horrible at his PK metrics, he didn't deserve the raise.
- Buff36

How many goals over expectations last year for girgensons?

How many under for skinner?

Gargelsons isnt even in my top 20 sabres players of alltime 😀😀😀😀

How many goals over expectations last year for girgensons?

How many under for skinner?

Gargelsons isnt even in my top 20 sabres players of alltime 😀😀😀😀
- Boss34

You like him Boss that's fine, I just don't think he deserved that big of a raise

Please tell me Taco isn't talking about Risto?
- sbroads24

Here are the 100 disclaimers, with the bold for what I was responding to, but I was told that was not the topic at hand...

I suppose. I know they love him unconditionally. I think you get him the right partner and you're on your way. Shed Montour or Miller for an LD that has a transition game. Hanifin or Valimaki.

Kinda tough seeing Montour on the block after a fresh 1 year deal, though. And we know Ralph doesn't like Miller.

Just trying to read the leaves.

Skinner scored two more goals, in 10 less games, shooting the lowest he's ever has, while Girgensons shot the highest he's ever had.

When there is a 20 goal gulf of a difference between the two this year, I look forward to revisiting this ridiculous conversation
- sbroads24

Shouldn't irrelevant skinner be scoring 4x girgensons?

2.2 vs. 9 million?

2.2 ( granted covid prices) vs. 9 million ufa.


Wonder if they would scratch a contract, which would it be?

Will definitely re visit this.

Let's revisit skinner is %1000 times a better player than laine? Go ahead, dig out some obscure stats

Fit what narrative, Derek Grant is the a very good comparible to Girgs and he signed a 3yr 1.5mill avv
- Buff36

He scored 0 goals in 40 games as a sabre.

Sell that at the box office 😉

Stripes77

Ka-boo-hoo-hun is a 35 - 40 point player- bad asset management letting him walk.

So stripes , you said ka-boo-hoo-hun is gonna make 3.5 -40?

No, I didnt say that.

What I said was, players that score 35-40 points make 3.5-4 million a year


Hope this clears it up. I personally do not understand the love affair with a guy that dressed 6 games in a Sabres uniform.

So much for loyalty or being a career sabre.
- Boss34

He's better than Pommer...

Shouldn't irrelevant skinner be scoring 4x girgensons?

2.2 vs. 9 million?

2.2 ( granted covid prices) vs. 9 million ufa.


Wonder if they would scratch a contract, which would it be?

Will definitely re visit this.

Let's revisit skinner is %1000 times a better player than laine? Go ahead, dig out some obscure stats
- Boss34

Four years in a row Girgensons scored 7 or fewer goals. So I'd say its highly possible Skinner scores 4 times more than Girgensons this year - 28 to 7

Shouldn't irrelevant skinner be scoring 4x girgensons?

2.2 vs. 9 million?

2.2 ( granted covid prices) vs. 9 million ufa.


Wonder if they would scratch a contract, which would it be?

Will definitely re visit this.

Let's revisit skinner is %1000 times a better player than laine? Go ahead, dig out some obscure stats
- Boss34

Skinner has 258 goals over 720 games

or .35 goals per game

Girgensons is at 61 over 469 games

or .13 goals per game.

You're right, Skinner scores goals at almost 3x the rate Girgensons does, not 4.

He scored 0 goals in 40 games as a sabre.

Sell that at the box office 😉
- Boss34

And he scored more goals and had more points then Girgs last year and signed for 700,000 less on a 3yr deal.

Four years in a row Girgensons scored 7 or fewer goals. So I'd say its highly possible Skinner scores 4 times more than Girgensons this year - 28 to 7
- jcragcrumple

If you could ditch a contract which would it be? Girgs, Okposo, Skinner

Four years in a row Girgensons scored 7 or fewer goals. So I'd say its highly possible Skinner scores 4 times more than Girgensons this year - 28 to 7
- jcragcrumple

But his center!!! Who was his center all that time? He didn't have the gift of Jack as Skinner didn't last year.