Hes played 39 nhl games.
Not sure hes earned regular top 6 forward yet.
- Fakepartofme

Well that's the thing about projections ....what is he? what is he most likely based on what we have seen/know?

Most have him in the top6 ...certainly top9. How much does it cost to replace that with a UFA? RFA's are a nice asset b/c they're $$ is arbitrarily kept low.

Leafs need a few of these low cost RFA's to go with all the high priced talent.

A big move coming?

Joe bowen thinks so.

https://twitter.com/FAN59.../1318283192512761856?s=09
- Fakepartofme

Makes you wonder...

Jumbo signing here at the end of his career, most guys of his ilk do that to WIN a Cup. Our roster right now looks alright but Cup Winner??? Not so sure.

Before signing Jumbo, you have to think Kyle pitched him a plan. Maybe the plan isn't finished yet because I find it hard to believe Joe thinks the Leafs adding Brodie, Bogo and Simmonds pushes us over the top.

Maybe Bowen is onto something!?!??

how do you see Weegar vs Holl? they seem to compare pretty close.
I think the pendulum has swung a little to far on weegar now and Leafs fans are over rating him a bit.
- senstroll

this

I wouldn't mind him on the team, but I am not sure you are gaining much if you are trading Holl.

You need a lot of NHL dmen over the course of a season.

Hold an irrational grudge against Dubas.

No, seriously - that's what I've been doing for about two years.
- Atomic Wedgie

Dunno who decided on not picking him and trading the pick. But it was poopy.
What can you do

3 more months and they'll suck again no worries
- BINGO!

fixed

Well that's the thing about projections ....what is he? what is he most likely based on what we have seen/know?

Most have him in the top6 ...certainly top9. How much does it cost to replace that with a UFA? RFA's are a nice asset b/c they're $$ is arbitrarily kept low.

Leafs need a few of these low cost RFA's to go with all the high priced talent.
- The Law

Top 9 for sure....maybe even top 6 in time. Dunno.
For me, we can afford to overpay rfa's or anyone outside of our core. Squeeze them for all you can until the cap starts going up.

Makes you wonder...

Jumbo signing here at the end of his career, most guys of his ilk do that to WIN a Cup. Our roster right now looks alright but Cup Winner??? Not so sure.

Before signing Jumbo, you have to think Kyle pitched him a plan. Maybe the plan isn't finished yet because I find it hard to believe Joe thinks the Leafs adding Brodie, Bogo and Simmonds pushes us over the top.

Maybe Bowen is onto something!?!??
- underhill14

So, Dubas saying that he thinks they are done now, is just to throw people off?

I don't know, I think he's done until the trade deadline.

this

I wouldn't mind him on the team, but I am not sure you are gaining much if you are trading Holl.

You need a lot of NHL dmen over the course of a season.
- Aetherial

Yep the grass isn’t always greener

I think a lot of the reason fans want change(not all) is they get bored of the current lineup and want that new feeling again. That endorphin release when they see a trade by their own team.

GMs don’t think that way.

Yep the grass isn’t always greener

I think a lot of the reason fans want change(not all) is they get bored of the current lineup and want that new feeling again. That endorphin release when they see a trade by their own team.

GMs don’t think that way.
- Santo_44

Maybe not... Getting someone like Weegar, allows the team to move players to more comfortable spots.. (ie; Holl not in the top 4)

Makes you wonder...

Jumbo signing here at the end of his career, most guys of his ilk do that to WIN a Cup. Our roster right now looks alright but Cup Winner??? Not so sure.

Before signing Jumbo, you have to think Kyle pitched him a plan. Maybe the plan isn't finished yet because I find it hard to believe Joe thinks the Leafs adding Brodie, Bogo and Simmonds pushes us over the top.

Maybe Bowen is onto something!?!??
- underhill14

I would imagine he sold them on being 4th liners and that the big 4 can get it done.

I would imagine he sold them on being 4th liners and that the big 4 can get it done.
- AdamFrench

Freddy (frank)ing Andersen.

It sells itself.

Hes played 39 nhl games.
Not sure hes earned regular top 6 forward yet.
- Fakepartofme

I look at it this way:

I’m not sure earning is the way they can afford to look at it. There’s one spot left in the top 6. I don’t see how they can bring someone new in and the only other person I think who has the skill and legs (ie isn’t really old) who could play there has played even fewer games than him.

Maybe not... Getting someone like Weegar, allows the team to move players to more comfortable spots.. (ie; Holl not in the top 4)
- PatC80

But they can’t add Weegar

They have to subtract 3.5 M to add Weegar

They don’t get better

I think Dubas is comfortable with his top 3 and likes the potential of Lehtonen, Dermott or Holl filling that 4th spot.

If not the TDL will only be 20-25 games into the season.

I would imagine he sold them on being 4th liners and that the big 4 can get it done.
- AdamFrench

...and just how did he explain the D?⚡

Yep the grass isn’t always greener

I think a lot of the reason fans want change(not all) is they get bored of the current lineup and want that new feeling again. That endorphin release when they see a trade by their own team.

GMs don’t think that way.
- Santo_44

There's a lot of people who don't like Holl very much. I'm not one of them. I like his success story, and I generally like how he plays. If he stayed I would certainly not be upset.

That said, Weegar is statistically better than Holl in pretty much every area.

https://public.tableau.co...y_count=y&:showVizHome=no

If Florida is willing to trade him, then we should be in on that conversation. I doubt the conversation is continuing since I think Johnsson was a big part of the conversation.

My point is that Weegar is better than Holl. Both have decent partners (Muzzin/Ekblad) and both have played against tough competition, and while it would appear that perhaps Holl has had tougher minutes on average, Weegar has vastly outperformed Holl.

But they can’t add Weegar

They have to subtract 3.5 M to add Weegar

They don’t get better

I think Dubas is comfortable with his top 3 and likes the potential of Lehtonen, Dermott or Holl filling that 4th spot.

If not the TDL will only be 20-25 games into the season.
- Santo_44

If only there was a centre making $3.5 on a team that has 5 (6 if you insist on counting Nylander)

...and just how did he explain the D?⚡
- 21peter

He could very easily point to them being better

If only there was a centre making $3.5 on a team that has 5 (6 if you insist on counting Nylander)
- Canada Cup

Can't think of one. SORRY.

...and just how did he explain the D?⚡
- 21peter

I am sure there were pictures involved.

I look at it this way:

I’m not sure earning is the way they can afford to look at it. There’s one spot left in the top 6. I don’t see how they can bring someone new in and the only other person I think who has the skill and legs (ie isn’t really old) who could play there has played even fewer games than him.
- Canada Cup

That's the crux of it. That 2W spot is either for Mikheyev, Kerfoot or Robertson. If Kerfoot is still the 3C, then it's a tighter horse race. Given the number of players signed, it seems almost preposterous to anoint Robertson the 2W - especially since backchecking is such a crucial part of what Mikheyev brings, and while I don't know much about Robertson, I know from what little I have seen that it's hard to backcheck when you've been knocked on your ass in the offensive zone.

Can't think of one. SORRY.
- Scabeh

Well, you know it is not the Habs..

I am sure there were pictures involved.
- bixll

Makes you wonder...

Jumbo signing here at the end of his career, most guys of his ilk do that to WIN a Cup. Our roster right now looks alright but Cup Winner??? Not so sure.

Before signing Jumbo, you have to think Kyle pitched him a plan. Maybe the plan isn't finished yet because I find it hard to believe Joe thinks the Leafs adding Brodie, Bogo and Simmonds pushes us over the top.

Maybe Bowen is onto something!?!??
- underhill14

Other than TBL, how often is the Cup winner the overwhelmingly obvious pick.

Also, maybe Leafs were only team with a shot that wanted him.

Also, also maybe there was a bit of ..... what’s that word ..... oh yeah, dementia. I hear that sometimes happens to older people.

...and just how did he explain the D?⚡
- 21peter

They have Cup Winners Muzzin and Bogosian. Plus Brodie who made Giordano a Norris Winner.

Well, you know it is not the Habs..
- bixll

Actually 3.5M would be our highest paid centre since Suzuki and KK are so cheap.