F'n Sceviour Hahah Never should of been had and needs to go.
- MattStrat

Agreed.

ZAR is starting the year on IR. So if anything I agree Sceviour would be the better dump. Since ZAR won't cost as much toward the salary cap being on IR this season.

I am questionable on moving Riikola, but I think he was suppose to be JJ's replacement until the Matheson trade. So idk where they see him fit currently.

We only have roughly 2 million left and 3rd pairing RHD spot to sign. Maybe JR goes 1.5 million for Erik Gustafsson. Idk, but that seems like the only hole to fill on the roster after our signings

F'n Sceviour Hahah Never should of been had and needs to go.
- MattStrat

He was only brought in to be a place holder for while ZAR is out. I could see him moved mid season.

ZAR is starting the year on IR. So if anything I agree Sceviour would be the better dump. Since ZAR won't cost as much toward the salary cap being on IR this season.

I am questionable on moving Riikola, but I think he was suppose to be JJ's replacement until the Matheson trade. So idk where they see him fit currently.

We only have roughly 2 million left and 3rd pairing RHD spot to sign. Maybe JR goes 1.5 million for Erik Gustafsson. Idk, but that seems like the only hole to fill on the roster after our signings
- 123Kid

Well, if an LD gets injured then that’s what Riikola was brought in for. If he’s moved and POJ isn’t ready, there’s no other suitable LD for the Pens to call up.

Assuming an injury is maybe only a couple of a games, someone can switch sides, but if it’s longer term this would be very bad. Then everyone would be screaming why didn’t JR have a solid #7 dman signed just in case.

He was only brought in to be a place holder for while ZAR is out. I could see him moved mid season.
- 123Kid

Where's the source on that? There was zero mention of him in the days it took for it to go through. I think it's more so the Panthers wanting to ship out equal cap and get rid of him at same time plus JR having no plan or grasp on or concern for the cap. I could be wrong though of course. We don't even know when the season is starting. ZAR could be ready or pretty damn close to ready whenever the season starts, if it does start.

This place is hilarious

A guy, Sceviour, who has never played a game for the team, who makes a measly 1.2 million is already the reason the team can’t win and he alone is holding the team back

A guy who will cost 300k on an 82 million dollar cap if he’s as terrible as everyone seems to say

Shouldn't have traded Hornqvist. That is the worst move of this off-season.

Shouldn't have traded Hornqvist. That is the worst move of this off-season.
- Thunderbolt

Hornqvist would have been a boat anchor on the 3rd line.

That’s where he would have played, 3rd line

Team had no use for him anymore

Shouldn't have traded Hornqvist and taken back a huge contract. That is the worst move of this off-season.
- Thunderbolt

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No, it's not, so stop saying that. It's out of the players they'd likely move, he would make sense since he as some value and makes room for his cap.

Moving Riikola before knowing if POJ is ready makes NO sense at puts this team at Risk in case of injury. Moving him out to just replace him with a player who makes $300K less is a silly idea.

ZAR + Sceviour make the most sense. The Pens can more easily replace either one of Those guys than have the opportunity to get someone of TJ’s caliber. You’re so ridiculously fixated on that fourth line. Yeah, it’s great, but a third line that can score is important.
- Rinosaur

Ugh, you admit he has value yet throw him in here. Yep, it's just because you want to trade him. You didn't even clear enough space for a 22 man roster so it isn't about the savings, your whole proposal doesn't work and doesn't use the leverage over Tampa's situation.

Quit trying to frame this as a ZAR or TJ, you can have both (if he agrees to come here).

Sign a LD in free agency for less than Riikola. How about sign Slater Koekkoek who could make less and plays either side.

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- Guile

Wasn't going to be an option

Every team was probably "We'll take Horn if you retain 50%", and who's to say that many were even interested

So, 2.65 Million in dead money, or, you take Matheson @4.8 Million

Which means Matheson costs a net of 2.15 Million

Look at Bjugstad - cost 50% to move him

Look at Johnson, who's better and more versatile than Hornqvist. Tampa can't give him away

Florida was even worried enough about Horn long term that they had insurance issues with the contract

Pens obviously trying to build a speed line for the 3rd line, where does Hornqvist fit on that?

Counter proposal for those who want TJ badly.

Have Tampa retain 1M. Demote Sceviour. Don't need to lose ZAR or Riikola. Also have about 700-750k more space than the other proposal which doesn't actually fit under the cap.

Namestikov went for 2x2. Him and Bobby Ryan at a combined 3 mil cap hit

This place is hilarious

A guy, Sceviour, who has never played a game for the team, who makes a measly 1.2 million is already the reason the team can’t win and he alone is holding the team back

A guy who will cost 300k on an 82 million dollar cap if he’s as terrible as everyone seems to say
- RoloTahmasee

Have you seen the other bargains being had? The Pens lack scoring in their bottom 6 and Sceviours 1.2 added to the cap space already there could get you quality scoring in the bottom 6. He is absolutely unessecary.

Have you seen the other bargains being had? The Pens lack scoring in their bottom 6 and Sceviours 1.2 added to the cap space already there could get you quality scoring in the bottom 6. He is absolutely unessecary.
- MattStrat

For all we know Sceviour was the cost in moving Hornqvist

Florida seemed to be the ones concerned with the Hornqvist risk, perhaps Sceviour was the cost of taking on that risk? who knows, were you there? I wasn't

You can't look at every other bargain out there and assume that the Penguins could have had the same player for the same price. When players are willing to take discount contracts, there are lots of teams bidding for them and the player generally has his pick of places to land, Would I have taken Pat Maroon for 800k, hell yes, but he wasn't going anywhere but Tampa for that price

Penguins are offering 1 year deals because we have Marino needing a contract next year and nobody coming off the books and a flat cap

Hindsight is 20/20. If I knew Covid was going to crash the NHL market, I would have traded everyone I could last year at the deadline, Not signed Tanev, Not resigned Petts, not traded for Zucker and gone into this offseason with 25-35 Million in capspace and rebuilt the entire team

But hindsight isn't 20/20

If we go hindsight. I still go back and instead of trading for Brassard I instead make a deal for Evander Kane. I think going into the playoffs that year vs Washington with Kane and Reaves would have added a different element to the team. The team seemed to click until after that deal was made. I mean we could go back and make other deals as well or not make them. Hindsight is one heck of a thing.

If we go hindsight. I still go back and instead of trading for Brassard I instead make a deal for Evander Kane. I think going into the playoffs that year vs Washington with Kane and Reaves would have added a different element to the team. The team seemed to click until after that deal was made. I mean we could go back and make other deals as well or not make them. Hindsight is one heck of a thing.
- 123Kid

I'll do you one better, I don't trade for David Perron and instead I keep that pick and take Matthew Barzal

GMJR should be fired for not being able to see the future

Ugh, you admit he has value yet throw him in here. Yep, it's just because you want to trade him. You didn't even clear enough space for a 22 man roster so it isn't about the savings, your whole proposal doesn't work and doesn't use the leverage over Tampa's situation.

Quit trying to frame this as a ZAR or TJ, you can have both (if he agrees to come here).

Sign a LD in free agency for less than Riikola. How about sign Slater Koekkoek who could make less and plays either side.
- Tojo.

You’re the one who keeps bringing up ZAR, which is what I responded to, so give it up already. You’re so hyper-fixated in the fourth line. It’s great having such a good one, but a strong third line is more important.

I believe he has value compared to Sceviour, so you can give up your “ah ha” moment.

You want move Riikola to save $200k. Makes zero sense, but hey, whatevs.

Lets pretend JR had a Free Agent Crystal Ball

He doesn't trade for Kapanen, Buys out JJ AND Hornqvist, Trades Bjug@50% and it's the start of Free Agency. You can have players at the EXACT deal they signed

Remember to factor in the cap for 2021/2022

Guentzel Sid ??
Zucker Malkin Rust
?? McCann ??
Tanev Blueger ??

ZAR

Letang Dumo
Marino Petts
??? ???

??
??

Jarry
DeSmith

You have 14.14 Million in capspace and need 8 players (4 D 4 F)

Hornqvist 1.7 dead money
Bjugstad 2.05 dead money
JJ 1.16 dead money

Go

You’re the one who keeps bringing up ZAR, which is what I responded to, so give it up already. You’re so hyper-fixated in the fourth line. It’s great having such a good one, but a strong third line is more important.

I believe he has value compared to Sceviour, so you can give up your “ah ha” moment.

You want move Riikola to save $200k. Makes zero sense, but hey, whatevs.
- Rinosaur

Nah, you definitely brought ZAR into this, he shouldn't be. I'm arguing your proposal is a terrible misread of the current market. Never mind it's still over the cap and you wanted to add a 2nd. But I'll just wait until you see what TJ actually gets traded for.

Riikola isn't that important. I like him, but better defensemen are signing for less.

For all we know Sceviour was the cost in moving Hornqvist

Florida seemed to be the ones concerned with the Hornqvist risk, perhaps Sceviour was the cost of taking on that risk? who knows, were you there? I wasn't

You can't look at every other bargain out there and assume that the Penguins could have had the same player for the same price. When players are willing to take discount contracts, there are lots of teams bidding for them and the player generally has his pick of places to land, Would I have taken Pat Maroon for 800k, hell yes, but he wasn't going anywhere but Tampa for that price

Penguins are offering 1 year deals because we have Marino needing a contract next year and nobody coming off the books and a flat cap

Hindsight is 20/20. If I knew Covid was going to crash the NHL market, I would have traded everyone I could last year at the deadline, Not signed Tanev, Not resigned Petts, not traded for Zucker and gone into this offseason with 25-35 Million in capspace and rebuilt the entire team

But hindsight isn't 20/20
- TheGame316

Most of us just don't make the trade.

Nah, you definitely brought ZAR into this, he shouldn't be. I'm arguing your proposal is a terrible misread of the current market. But I'll just wait until you see what TJ actually gets traded for.

Riikola isn't that important. I like him, but better defensemen are signing for less.
- Tojo.

Look at your post I responded to. You brought him back up. You are so misguided i this one. If TJ comes in, it doesn’t matter how ZAR and Sceviour go out. It’s a win.

This place is hilarious

A guy, Sceviour, who has never played a game for the team, who makes a measly 1.2 million is already the reason the team can’t win and he alone is holding the team back

A guy who will cost 300k on an 82 million dollar cap if he’s as terrible as everyone seems to say
- RoloTahmasee

This place is hilarious

A guy, Sceviour, who has never played a game for the team, who makes a measly 1.2 million is already the reason the team can’t win and he alone is holding the team back

A guy who will cost 300k on an 82 million dollar cap if he’s as terrible as everyone seems to say
- RoloTahmasee

The next JJ, I've followed this board for some time and new players are very rarely given a fair shake. It all depends if RW likes them, if he does, 90% of the board will say he was a great signing, if not it was a waste of cap space...

Look at your post I responded to. You brought him back up. You are so misguided i this one. If TJ comes in, it doesn’t matter how ZAR and Sceviour go out. It’s a win.
- Rinosaur

Nah done. Your trade doesn't fit under the cap, doesn't get Tampa to add for a player that cleared waivers today, uselessly moves an asset, and I had to tell you not to include a 2nd.

No team in the NHL wants TJ at full cap value. You picked that up while only dumping two small one year salaries, one of which is a useful player. Bad trade.