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SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Oct 9 @ 4:28 PM ET
The bad thing is failing to realize lost value

Adams thought he was a first rounder, tried getting into the first (meaning he offered other teams more than the 4th rounder he did trade) for a guy who potentially could’ve been there at 38.

It’s a 4th rounder, no big deal, but it very well could’ve been a future 2nd rounder or more if he ended up in the 20’s to take him

- sbroads24


I look at it on what actually happened vs what was talked about.. Also, say he does trade back to 11, still gets Quinn, trade 37/38 to get back into the first round, and takes a guy with a first round grade there.. I guess I don't see the negative, as we end up with the same two guys we have now, just a different way to doing it. Sounds like they honed in on the talent they wanted, found there guys, and went for it which is something in my eyes that's commendable. Being passive and letting the board fall to you isn't a luxury a bad team has tbh.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:31 PM ET
I look at it on what actually happened vs what was talked about.. Also, say he does trade back to 11, still gets Quinn, trade 37/38 to get back into the first round, and takes a guy with a first round grade there.. I guess I don't see the negative, as we end up with the same two guys we have now, just a different way to doing it. Sounds like they honed in on the talent they wanted, found there guys, and went for it which is something in my eyes that's commendable. Being passive and letting the board fall to you isn't a luxury a bad team has tbh.
- SDSabre



Rossi, Perfetti and Quinn were all there at 8.

Chances are all three are gone at 8, 9 and 10. Now what?
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:31 PM ET
Sabremetrix
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Sabres saying they use analytics is like the Pillsbury Dough Boy saying he’s on keto
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Oct 9 @ 4:32 PM ET
If we don’t sign anyone of note, but claim Tyler Johnson off waivers...

Will ppl be cool with that?

Olofsson-Jack-Sam
Skinner-Staal-Johnson
Mitts-Cozens-Tage
Reider/Girgs/Lazar/Okposo

Maybe we could add in a guy like Craig Smith?
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:32 PM ET
Rossi, Perfetti and Quinn were all there at 8.

Chances are all three are gone at 8, 9 and 10. Now what?

- Powerslave


We end up with Lundell or Quinn.

Or better yet someone else takes Quinn and we still end up with Perfetti
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Oct 9 @ 4:33 PM ET
We end up with Lundell or Quinn.

Or better yet someone else takes Quinn and we still end up with Perfetti

- Pegullaville


Or Askarov
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Oct 9 @ 4:35 PM ET
Rossi, Perfetti and Quinn were all there at 8.

Chances are all three are gone at 8, 9 and 10. Now what?

- Powerslave


The thought process was Nash wanted to move up for Askarov.. who they still got at 11. So what are these chances that all three of those will be gone? And if that's the case, there's Lundell or Jarvis who aren't that far behind this group. Who know's how it all woulda shookin out had that deal been made.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:35 PM ET
We end up with Lundell or Quinn.

Or better yet someone else takes Quinn and we still end up with Perfetti

- Pegullaville



Again, the three players are there at 8.

We trade down THREE spots. They are then all drafted at 8, 9 & 10.

Sounds like a bone head move.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:36 PM ET
Or Askarov
- jdfitz77



Draft a goalie in the first round with UPL in the pipeline.

That's even dumber than trading down those 3 spots.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Oct 9 @ 4:37 PM ET
Again, the three players are there at 8.

We trade down THREE spots. They are then all drafted at 8, 9 & 10.

Sounds like a bone head move.

- Powerslave


Again, Lundell is said to be pretty on par with those guys.. So there's the fourth. And the over riding thought was Nash moving up FOR Askarov.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:38 PM ET
Again, Lundell is said to be pretty on par with those guys.. So theirs the fourth. And the over riding thought was Nash moving up FOR Askarov.
- SDSabre



Says who?

Is everyone a GM on these boards? 😂
atlsabsfan
Location: IN
Joined: 06.20.2007

Oct 9 @ 4:38 PM ET
Says who?

Is everyone a GM on these boards? 😂

- Powerslave


Time to blow it up Gentlemen.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Oct 9 @ 4:40 PM ET
Says who?

Is everyone a GM on these boards? 😂

- Powerslave


I didn't make the premise, someone mentioned there was video from the Nash room or something of them talking about moving up to 8 to take Askarov. Whether that is true or not, no idea. I was going off of that premise. Either way, my point that I was making was that it was a good move to go up and get JJP if he was their guy. I put that in the "W" column for KA.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 9 @ 4:40 PM ET
Are they going to play Girgensons on the 3rd line now??
- Stripes77


Starting to look like a value contract now.
3rd line winger - scored 12 goals last year.
Decent penalty killer
Likes buffalo
Doesnt mind losing

Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:41 PM ET
I didn't make the premise, someone mentioned there was video from the Nash room or something of them talking about moving up to 8 to take Askarov. Whether that is true or not, no idea. I was going off of that premise. Either way, my point that I was making was that it was a good move to go up and get JJP if he was their guy. I put that in the "W" column for KA.
- SDSabre



Agreed
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:41 PM ET
Starting to look like a value contract now.

Doesnt mind losing

- Boss34

solid
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:42 PM ET
Time to blow it up Gentlemen.
- atlsabsfan



Should have blown it up at the draft when the gettin' was good.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:42 PM ET
Sabres/Amerk News
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1m
Not an important stat but...

Tobias Rieder has a career +/- of -80
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:43 PM ET
Should have blown it up at the draft when the gettin' was good.
- Powerslave

Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 9 @ 4:43 PM ET
Sabres/Amerk News
@SabresAmerknews
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1m
Not an important stat but...

Tobias Rieder has a career +/- of -80

- homiedclown



That'll happen playing in Arizona and Edmonton
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:44 PM ET
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Oct 9 @ 4:44 PM ET
That'll happen playing in Arizona and Edmonton
- Powerslave

and buffalo


kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Oct 9 @ 4:46 PM ET
Starting to look like a value contract now.
3rd line winger - scored 12 goals last year.
Decent penalty killer
Likes buffalo
Doesnt mind losing

- Boss34


turbo044
Joined: 02.18.2009

Oct 9 @ 4:51 PM ET
I didn't make the premise, someone mentioned there was video from the Nash room or something of them talking about moving up to 8 to take Askarov. Whether that is true or not, no idea. I was going off of that premise. Either way, my point that I was making was that it was a good move to go up and get JJP if he was their guy. I put that in the "W" column for KA.
- SDSabre


Here's the video, make your own judgement.

https://www.nhl.com/preda...d-1/t-277437416/c-6798447
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 9 @ 4:51 PM ET
I look at it on what actually happened vs what was talked about.. Also, say he does trade back to 11, still gets Quinn, trade 37/38 to get back into the first round, and takes a guy with a first round grade there.. I guess I don't see the negative, as we end up with the same two guys we have now, just a different way to doing it. Sounds like they honed in on the talent they wanted, found there guys, and went for it which is something in my eyes that's commendable. Being passive and letting the board fall to you isn't a luxury a bad team has tbh.
- SDSabre

The trade back would’ve been good, but he would’ve nullified it by using 37,38 anyways. So result would’ve been the same.

The overall issue is he was willing to pay a price to move into the 20’s for a guy who very well could’ve been there at 38, and was there at 34.

Like I said, I won’t hammer him for it or be that annoyed, but it’s not something they should always do
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