Well rounded, Complete 2 way Dmen don't grow on trees. 29 years old is NOTHING for defenseman and the NMC might let you actually acquire him on the cheap

The window to win is the next 3-4 years, The contract being 7 years is not a problem. Move on from him later if you need to

Round out the roster with cheaper/younger options. If a guy like Myers is making 6 Million, A guy like OEL for 8.25 is a steal
- TheGame316

this line of thinking (which isn't uncommon) makes my head explode.

the window to win is the next 3-4 years. put another way, the window to win is before petey and hughes turn 25.

do people believe this? i know those two players aren't the only factors but they are difference! why is the team peaking (or has a window) before their two best players hit their primes?

this line of thinking (which isn't uncommon) makes my head explode.

the window to win is the next 3-4 years. put another way, the window to win is before petey and hughes turn 25.

do people believe this? i know those two players aren't the only factors but they are difference! why is the team peaking (or has a window) before their two best players hit their primes?
- RealityChecker

Exactly. Look at Colorado. How long have McKinnon and Landeskog been trying to get to the finals, let alone win a cup?

I understand the 3-4 year window thing as it makes sense due to their cap hit, but that's not their overall window. 6-7 years is when Petey and Hughes will be peaking.

this line of thinking (which isn't uncommon) makes my head explode.

the window to win is the next 3-4 years. put another way, the window to win is before petey and hughes turn 25.

do people believe this? i know those two players aren't the only factors but they are difference! why is the team peaking (or has a window) before their two best players hit their primes?
- RealityChecker

Best window was this year and next when the Canucks get ridiculous value out of EP/Hughes(and to a lesser extent Miller/Horvat) relative to their cap hits. Sadly the supporting cast around them isn’t deep enough right now.

The disappearance of the bridge contract for elite players kinda makes the next 6-7 years after that all the same when it comes to window of opportunity.

I posted this yesterday, but the goal should be to avoid wasting multiple years of QH/EP’s under 30 seasons by being stuck with multiple expensive declining vets around them that have term left on their contracts.

No disrespect but get your head outta your ass, they’re not giving OEL away for cap dumps, a kids who’s failed to make the nhl five years after being drafted and a late first round pick
- Pacificgem

Juolevi and the 2021 1st are for OEL. OJ has 2 years of pro hockey experience minus the injury and defenseman are notorious for taking longer to develop

The cap dumps, which the Coyotes can move off of are just to make the cap work

The Yotes have no leverage here with the high salary and the NMC

Juolevi and the 2021 1st are for OEL. OJ has 2 years of pro hockey experience minus the injury and defenseman are notorious for taking longer to develop

The cap dumps, which the Coyotes can move off of are just to make the cap work

The Yotes have no leverage here with the high salary and the NMC
- TheGame316

this line of thinking (which isn't uncommon) makes my head explode.

the window to win is the next 3-4 years. put another way, the window to win is before petey and hughes turn 25.

do people believe this? i know those two players aren't the only factors but they are difference! why is the team peaking (or has a window) before their two best players hit their primes?
- RealityChecker

I am not saying yes or no to your post but I will offer a different angle.

I don't say there is one formula to how to be successful. Vegas made the finals in their first year with no building history .

I think all the old formulas that use to be successful are are growing somewhat obsolete . More entry level players every year are impacting their team. Matt Barzal McDavid Matthews Petey are speeding up the process. Hughes and Pettersson are not your typical 20 year olds .

I think a player like OEL removes the pressure from Hughes same as JTM removed the pressure from Pettersson.


Bo has three years left as does JTM. You have new guys that will be coming in and old guys leaving so I think they should be trying to build a team just like the Blues did the year before.

Best window was this year and next when the Canucks get ridiculous value out of EP/Hughes(and to a lesser extent Miller/Horvat) relative to their cap hits. Sadly the supporting cast around them isn’t deep enough right now.

The disappearance of the bridge contract for elite players kinda makes the next 6-7 years after that all the same when it comes to window of opportunity.

I posted this yesterday, but the goal should be to avoid wasting multiple years of QH/EP’s under 30 seasons by being stuck with multiple expensive declining vets around them that have term left on their contracts.
- Nucker101

and that's why having players around them to grow with is better than having vets that are already at their primes and most likely to decline over the next 3-5 years.

you can get away with bad cap management when the team is a bottom dweller. bad cap management is magnified the closer a team gets to the cup.

- Pacificgem

You guys are hilarious with the

-OEL makes way too much money - OVERPAID
-OEL is 29 and his BEST YEARS ARE BEHIND HIM
-OEL has a NMC and ARIZONA HAS NO LEVERAGE

and

A 1st round pick and a Defensive Prospect ISN'T NEARLY ENOUGH

You guys are hilarious with the

-OEL makes way too much money - OVERPAID
-OEL is 29 and his BEST YEARS ARE BEHIND HIM
-OEL has a NMC and ARIZONA HAS NO LEVERAGE

and

A 1st round pick and a Defensive Prospect ISN'T NEARLY ENOUGH
- TheGame316

Normal drama around here. JB may actually offer up 2 first round picks. That should keep them happy.

Best window was this year and next when the Canucks get ridiculous value out of EP/Hughes(and to a lesser extent Miller/Horvat) relative to their cap hits. Sadly the supporting cast around them isn’t deep enough right now.

The disappearance of the bridge contract for elite players kinda makes the next 6-7 years after that all the same when it comes to window of opportunity.

I posted this yesterday, but the goal should be to avoid wasting multiple years of QH/EP’s under 30 seasons by being stuck with multiple expensive declining vets around them that have term left on their contracts.
- Nucker101

The quick rise of Petey & Hughes changed everything & so those vets have become a drag to an extent. JB & his drafting have accelerated the ascension to contending faster than we thought would happen. The negative detractors aside that it’s taken too long & the path he chose it does require a changing of gears. So yes I fully agree the vets need to be moved & absorb the cost to do so. Aka bite the bullet & move forward to continue adding. It will be the defining point in JB’s GM career on how he goes about this & what the result is.

this line of thinking (which isn't uncommon) makes my head explode.

the window to win is the next 3-4 years. put another way, the window to win is before petey and hughes turn 25.

do people believe this? i know those two players aren't the only factors but they are difference! why is the team peaking (or has a window) before their two best players hit their primes?
- RealityChecker

Right now you have extreme value on Petey/Hughes (and will likely continue on their next contract ie: bridge deal) as well as JT/Horvat/Demko with a bunch of guys about to come onboard with ELC's

The window won't close, but it will become harder to fill out a complete roster once you have to start paying "retail" for guys in their late 20's/early 30's

Strike while the iron is hot

Best window was this year and next when the Canucks get ridiculous value out of EP/Hughes(and to a lesser extent Miller/Horvat) relative to their cap hits. Sadly the supporting cast around them isn’t deep enough right now.

The disappearance of the bridge contract for elite players kinda makes the next 6-7 years after that all the same when it comes to window of opportunity.

I posted this yesterday, but the goal should be to avoid wasting multiple years of QH/EP’s under 30 seasons by being stuck with multiple expensive declining vets around them that have term left on their contracts.
- Nucker101

Why was last year any better than this year? This year you can bring back the same core guys and not be forced to use Sutter Fattenberg Roussel Beagle ? They can make a lot of positive changes this year.

and that's why having players around them to grow with is better than having vets that are already at their primes and most likely to decline over the next 3-5 years.

you can get away with bad cap management when the team is a bottom dweller. bad cap management is magnified the closer a team gets to the cup.
- RealityChecker

Rarely do you see you guys in the early 20s win Stanley Cup championships, it happened with Crosby and Malkin as well as Toews and Patrick Kane but those are rare cases. Crosby and Malkin are generational players and Chicago drafted so much depth before Toews and Kane became the icing on the cake.

Usually you’re going to see special players in their mid to late 20s or early 30s win once they’ve built depth around them. Stamkos 30, Kucherov 27, Hedman 29, Killorn 31, Vasilevskiy 26, Point is the young guy at 24.

You guys are hilarious with the

-OEL makes way too much money - OVERPAID
-OEL is 29 and his BEST YEARS ARE BEHIND HIM
-OEL has a NMC and ARIZONA HAS NO LEVERAGE

and

A 1st round pick and a Defensive Prospect ISN'T NEARLY ENOUGH
- TheGame316

Well....I’ve never said any of that; 1) OEL is a great defenseman and he’s in his prime 2) imo he’ll be great for another five to six years 3) his salary is perfectly fine for his talent.

What I can tell you is I know guys in the organization and I sent a quick email about the situation, they obviously won’t say much but I can tell you the owner wants to cut real dollar salary and they don’t want any older cap dump players that can’t contribute in a meaningful way. They also won’t retain any of his salary.

They don’t have to move OEL and they won’t, at least at this point, move him unless they get a 1st, a good prospect and a good roster player signed to a good deal.

Well....I’ve never said any of that; 1) OEL is a great defenseman and he’s in his prime 2) imo he’ll be great for another five to six years 3) his salary is perfectly fine for his talent.

What I can tell you is I know guys in the organization and I sent a quick email about the situation, they obviously won’t say much but I can tell you the owner wants to cut real dollar salary and they don’t want any older cap dump players that can’t contribute in a meaningful way.

They don’t have to move OEL and they won’t, at least at this point, move him unless they get a 1st, a good prospect and a good roster player signed to a good deal.
- Pacificgem

Time is not on their side though they have 3 RFA to sign and a 16 man roster. They need to act soon. With todays buyout they have 3.6 in cap space

Time is not on their side though they have 3 RFA to sign and a 16 man roster. They need to act soon.
- VANTEL

They can go over the cap by 8.15 million right now, January 1st is a long ways away.

Rarely do you see you guys in the early 20s win Stanley Cup championships, it happened with Crosby and Malkin as well as Toews and Patrick Kane but those are rare cases. Crosby and Malkin are generational players and Chicago drafted so much depth before Toews and Kane became the icing on the cake.

Usually you’re going to see special players in their mid to late 20s or early 30s win once they’ve built depth around them. Stamkos 30, Kucherov 27, Hedman 29, Killorn 31, Vasilevskiy 26, Point is the young guy at 24.
- Pacificgem

TB was a long time in the making. Winning 1oa picking Stamkos a C helped start the rise. They drafted Hedman 2oa after having a really good season that followed with a big dive to get him. A big stud RHD was the key to their dominance in recent years. Other than the Pens dynamic duo of Crosby/Malkin teams don’t win cups without very good D.

Our D or future D will be priority if we will be true contenders. So we come full circle to the now & if OEL helps us in that regard.

Well....I’ve never said any of that; 1) OEL is a great defenseman and he’s in his prime 2) imo he’ll be great for another five to six years 3) his salary is perfectly fine for his talent.

What I can tell you is I know guys in the organization and I sent a quick email about the situation, they obviously won’t say much but I can tell you the owner wants to cut real dollar salary and they don’t want any older cap dump players that can’t contribute in a meaningful way. They also won’t retain any of his salary.

They don’t have to move OEL and they won’t, at least at this point, move him unless they get a 1st, a good prospect and a good roster player signed to a good deal.
- Pacificgem

Then JB needs to decide how long he's staying in this card game? He's got players to sign, and I'm sure his pending offer is holding up other things right?

Well....I’ve never said any of that; 1) OEL is a great defenseman and he’s in his prime 2) imo he’ll be great for another five to six years 3) his salary is perfectly fine for his talent.

What I can tell you is I know guys in the organization and I sent a quick email about the situation, they obviously won’t say much but I can tell you the owner wants to cut real dollar salary and they don’t want any older cap dump players that can’t contribute in a meaningful way.

They don’t have to move OEL and they won’t, at least at this point, move him unless they get a 1st, a good prospect and a good roster player signed to a good deal.
- Pacificgem

Well, LE makes 4 Million with a cap hit of 6, They are paying Grabner 2 million to leave

My proposal included both in that deal. So, LE would only cost you 6 Million in 2 years of real cash, minus the Grabner buyout cost

Sutter is in the last year of his deal and could likely be flipped at the deadline, or by retaining some $$, so another asset (maybe a 3rd) and more $$ out the door

Even LE could be moved if you wanted to retain some $$ on it

There's real cash to be saved and 2 prospects that will play on ELC's or bridge deals

There aren't teams out there that can take on 8 Million and not send $$ back, at least not ones on OEL's list

Don't like OJ, ask about another guy, need a B-list prospect added, also possible

They can go over the cap by 8.15 million right now, January 1st is a long ways away.
- Pacificgem

Yup but they still need to sign their RFAs next week or they lose them.

Then JB needs to decide how long he's staying in this card game? He's got players to sign, and I'm sure his pending offer is holding up other things right?
- VanHockeyGuy

There’s probably so many balls in the air I have no idea what they have on their plate. A lot of it really depends on whether Markstrom and Toffoli want to stay with the team, talk is cheap, money matters, don’t kid yourself. There’s just a lot of stuff that we don’t know for sure.

Yup but they still need to sign their RFAs next week or they lose them.
- VANTEL

They won’t have any issues and like a lot of other teams you’ll probably see some of them walk.

They won’t have any issues and like a lot of other teams you’ll probably see some of them walk.
- Pacificgem

Unfortunate for them but they are getting Keslered. We know what it is like to be in that position.

Unfortunate for them but they are getting Keslered. We know what it is like to be in that position.
- VANTEL

And look how long it took to do that deal. JB should have a deadline on his offer, then move on to other business.

Unfortunate for them but they are getting Keslered. We know what it is like to be in that position.
- VANTEL

Chayka (frank)ed that organization and when he realized what he was doing wasn’t working, he just quit. It’s ownerships fault for giving him free reign. Now it’s just a country club where guys go to retire. You’re going to see them exercise a full reset.