Wouldn’t you want an NHL goalie?
- Feds91Stammer

Dell is pretty much the same level of goalie. He's got a comparable raw sv% (.907 v .905), comparable GSAA (-5.87 v -5.45), comparable HDGSAA (0.56 v 0.20). Has the added benefit of not costing a.) trade assets or b.) 3mil in cap. It'd also give me the (admittedly vain) hope that Holland isn't ONLY going to sign/acquire ex-Red Wings.

wonder how OEL would do with the spotlight on him too.
all hes ever known is PHX. no expectations there.
- wingz4life

I think he'd benefit from returning to Tippett's system that he thrived in, with some real offensive firepower ahead of him, and- as you mentioned- a little spotlight. More than anything, a change of pace seems like it can make a substantial difference.

Dell is pretty much the same level of goalie. He's got a comparable raw sv% (.907 v .905), comparable GSAA (-5.87 v -5.45), comparable HDGSAA (0.56 v 0.20). Has the added benefit of not costing a.) trade assets or b.) 3mil in cap. It'd also give me the (admittedly vain) hope that Holland isn't ONLY going to sign/acquire ex-Red Wings.
- MaximumBone

Mrazek has much higher upside than Dell imo but yeah you’re (frank)ed with Holland as gm.

Broberg

I am far from a Ghost fan, but that's really stretching there. I can even accept Nurse to a small extent because of his physicality, but all that you mentioned haven't even sniffed the success Ghost had in his rookie year let alone his 60+ point season from 2 years ago. Now has he been battling some injury issues the last couple years, well obviously, but supposedly he is back on track now.
- Glak18

The guy has seen VERY sheltered minutes the past year (60% Off. Zone FOs & less than 20% of TOI against top opposition) and still failed to exceed team average goal shares. He managed to get close but, in the kinds of minutes he was spoonfed, he should be roasting his matchups. Further, he was absolutely DEMOLISHED in the high danger areas when compared to his team to the tune of -5.98% relHDCF and -17.92% relHDGF.

While that last one is an egregious outlier, it's a enough of a trend alongside the soft deployment to throw up MAJOR alarm bells- especially with 3 years left at 4.5mil for a team already hurting for cap space.

Personally I would still trade low for a 2nd or 3rd or even a trash dump like Pu, but Edmonton's defense is an outhouse and Ghost would probably be the bright spot for them until the two young guys are ready, probably 2-3 years away before any impact.
- Glak18

You're free to think that. He's a cap dump full of question marks that doesn't really fill a need from our perspective.

Mrazek has much higher upside than Dell imo but yeah you’re (frank)ed with Holland as gm.
- Feds91Stammer

I'd be willing to accept that framing, but upside only means so much at age 28. If I'm spending assets on a goalie, I want low-variance in performance. Mrazek strikes me as more along the Smith axis of variance, but maybe I'm wrong.

I'd be willing to accept that framing, but upside only means so much at age 28. If I'm spending assets on a goalie, I want low-variance in performance. Mrazek strikes me as more along the Smith axis of variance, but maybe I'm wrong.
- MaximumBone

No you're right. It's what we said with the Mrazek vs. Reimer thing.

Mrazek's ceiling is way higher than Reimer's, but Reimer's floor is higher than Mrazek's.

No you're right. It's what we said with the Mrazek vs. Reimer thing.

Mrazek's ceiling is way higher than Reimer's, but Reimer's floor is higher than Mrazek's.
- BINGO!

Marzek is essentially a younger Mike Smith

I think he'd benefit from returning to Tippett's system that he thrived in, with some real offensive firepower ahead of him, and- as you mentioned- a little spotlight. More than anything, a change of pace seems like it can make a substantial difference.
- MaximumBone

Oh yeah, didn't even think of the Tippett/OEL connection! Interesting. I like the points you're making and take back my earlier post! LOL. Wonder just how much Tippett's input has had in Holland's apparent strong push (says TSN) to acquire OEL. (?)

Not sure Edmonton has the assets, though, or at least assets they'd be willing to part with, anyhow. Even though Edmonton may be helping out a "cash-strapped" team, you have to figure Arizona would want one of either Bouchard or Broberg coming the other way, just for starters. Not sure Edmonton stomachs that. (?) I'll tell you, though, even if it were just for Darcy Kuemper, if there was ever a time to package Puljujarvi in a trade, it's now, IMO . . . . .

(Arizona may even have the appetite to take Russell off your hands considering his cap hit is 4 million but actual dollars is 2.5.)

Anyone else excited for broberg? The kid has made big strides. Super excited about his potential

Would Edmonton do this? Would Arizona? What would either change to make it work?

To Edmonton: OEL, Kuemper, & 2021 5th Round Pick

To Arizona: Benson, Puljujarvi, K. Russell, 2020 1st Rounder (14th) & 2021 1st Rounder

Note: Dreger reports that Arizona has no interest in taking any money back in a deal, which would almost certainly need to happen for Edmonton to even take on just OEL's salary. I figure with Russell only being paid 2.5 million (4 million cap hit) for one more season, that this may be doable for the Yotes. (?) Oilers will still need to clear some cap space to sign Bear and others, but certainly doable, IMO. And they may have time to figure it out if Klefbom goes on LTIR.

How "long term" is the surgery? Days? Weeks?

Oh yeah, didn't even think of the Tippett/OEL connection! Interesting. I like the points you're making and take back my earlier post! LOL. Wonder just how much Tippett's input has had in Holland's apparent strong push (says TSN) to acquire OEL. (?)

Not sure Edmonton has the assets, though, or at least assets they'd be willing to part with, anyhow. Even though Edmonton may be helping out a "cash-strapped" team, you have to figure Arizona would want one of either Bouchard or Broberg coming the other way, just for starters. Not sure Edmonton stomachs that. (?) I'll tell you, though, even if it were just for Darcy Kuemper, if there was ever a time to package Puljujarvi in a trade, it's now, IMO . . . . .

(Arizona may even have the appetite to take Russell off your hands considering his cap hit is 4 million but actual dollars is 2.5.)
- Quillanrocks

Fair to say the Oilers may not have the assets that they'd want to part with to get it done. However, I don't think the cost will be as high as some are saying. It also likely won't be as low as many seem to be suggesting.

Worth noting, Russell's remaining salary is actually 1.5mil. His signing bonus has already been paid.

Anyone else excited for broberg? The kid has made big strides. Super excited about his potential
- OilHead1989

Certainly excited, but I prefer tempering my expectations. He's got a great opportunity to develop in Skelleftea right now with both PP and PK time and a solid spot in the top-4. With the tools he has, he can make great progress and I look forward to seeing whether he capitalizes on the opportunity he has now. So far so good but I need at least 8-10 games of steady production before I get my hopes up too high.

Worthy of addition to a discussion surrounding an OEL acquisition that doesn't involve one of Klefbom or Nurse (assuming they truly don't want to take back salary commitments) is that this acquisition opens the door to trade one of or both or them in the near future. The Klefbom injury complicates things a bit but let's hypothetically say the trade ends up being:

OEL (1mil retained) + Grabner
for
Russell + EITHER Jones + 2021 1st OR Samorukov + 2020 1st

NOTE: I would be VERY hesitant to trade Jones given his cap hit, but I also REALLY like Samorukov as a prospect; gotta give up something of substance, though.

Coyotes send out 7.775mil in salary (10.35mil in cap) this year in return for for either 2.25mil or 1.5mil in salary this year (4.85mil or 4mil in cap). Next year, they'd be saving 9.6mil in salary (10.5mil Vs 900k). So it absolutely meets their criteria for saving money.

As I pointed out earlier, adding OEL could facilitate a trade of either Nurse or Klefbom. I'm of the mind that, if one trade makes another one possible, they should be considered in tandem.

Even with a Klefbom for Debrusk+ or Nurse for Danault (w/ extension) trade, the team wouldn't be perfect, but there's still $$$ coming off the books next year and the real possibility that Broberg and Jones' development make Nurse expendable before he's a UFA. Their development would also mitigate the risk of OEL's contract hurting us too much down the line given the cap benefit of ELCs and 2nd contracts for most Dmen.

Worthy of addition to a discussion surrounding an OEL acquisition that doesn't involve one of Klefbom or Nurse (assuming they truly don't want to take back salary commitments) is that this acquisition opens the door to trade one of or both or them in the near future. The Klefbom injury complicates things a bit but let's hypothetically say the trade ends up being:

OEL (1mil retained) + Grabner
for
Russell + EITHER Jones + 2021 1st OR Samorukov + 2020 1st

NOTE: I would be VERY hesitant to trade Jones given his cap hit, but I also REALLY like Samorukov as a prospect; gotta give up something of substance, though.

Coyotes send out 7.775mil in salary (10.35mil in cap) this year in return for for either 2.25mil or 1.5mil in salary this year (4.85mil or 4mil in cap). Next year, they'd be saving 9.6mil in salary (10.5mil Vs 900k). So it absolutely meets their criteria for saving money.

As I pointed out earlier, adding OEL could facilitate a trade of either Nurse or Klefbom. I'm of the mind that, if one trade makes another one possible, they should be considered in tandem.

Even with a Klefbom for Debrusk+ or Nurse for Danault (w/ extension) trade, the team wouldn't be perfect, but there's still $$$ coming off the books next year and the real possibility that Broberg and Jones' development make Nurse expendable before he's a UFA. Their development would also mitigate the risk of OEL's contract hurting us too much down the line given the cap benefit of ELCs and 2nd contracts for most Dmen.
- MaximumBone

I saw a lot to like in this post. Then you (frank)ed it all up with the Nurse for Danault proposal.

Fair to say the Oilers may not have the assets that they'd want to part with to get it done. However, I don't think the cost will be as high as some are saying. It also likely won't be as low as many seem to be suggesting.

Worth noting, Russell's remaining salary is actually 1.5mil. His signing bonus has already been paid.
- MaximumBone

I wasn’t aware of that. One would think that it would certainly make him easier to move.

Would Edmonton do this? Would Arizona? What would either change to make it work?

To Edmonton: OEL, Kuemper, & 2021 5th Round Pick

To Arizona: Benson, Puljujarvi, K. Russell, 2020 1st Rounder (14th) & 2021 1st Rounder

Note: Dreger reports that Arizona has no interest in taking any money back in a deal, which would almost certainly need to happen for Edmonton to even take on just OEL's salary. I figure with Russell only being paid 2.5 million (4 million cap hit) for one more season, that this may be doable for the Yotes. (?) Oilers will still need to clear some cap space to sign Bear and others, but certainly doable, IMO. And they may have time to figure it out if Klefbom goes on LTIR.
- Quillanrocks

OEL's contract scares me

I wasn’t aware of that. One would think that it would certainly make him easier to move.
- Wildschwein

A team like Ottawa would love this

I saw a lot to like in this post. Then you (frank)ed it all up with the Nurse for Danault proposal.
- Wildschwein

Danault is REAL good and could likely be signed at a lower rate than Nuge while bringing a similar skillset (a bit more chippy, better at FOs, worse shot). Pop him on the W with either of the big-2 and help them with the defensive responsibilities.

Nurse is a UFA two years from now and, if we add OEL, we likely wouldn't be able to afford him AND a substantial F upgrade.

Danault is REAL good and could likely be signed at a lower rate than Nuge while bringing a similar skillset (a bit more chippy, better at FOs, worse shot). Pop him on the W with either of the big-2 and help them with the defensive responsibilities.

Nurse is a UFA two years from now and, if we add OEL, we likely wouldn't be able to afford him AND a substantial F upgrade.
- MaximumBone

Dreger reporting that OEL won't waive his NTC to go to Edmonton.

Dreger reporting that OEL won't waive his NTC to go to Edmonton.
- BINGO!

OEL is not worth his contract, let alone the contract plus the asset cost. NEXT.

OEL is not worth his contract, let alone the contract plus the asset cost. NEXT.
- wreckage

- Reveen

Not sure Tanner would agree with this....appears Jimmy Tan Tan ain't around here no more though.