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TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:09 PM ET
there has been some whiny RW posts, but this one has to be top 3. Can we get a blogger who does somewhat interesting articles instead of female doging about 2 players and the GM for the entire season?

Like a “player review” article, or realistic trade/FA acquisitions?

- drummer829


RW is a crappier version of Tanner who actually takes himself seriously
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Sep 30 @ 1:12 PM ET
I have to think Murray is the next domino and will really set the tone for the balance of the offseason. Will he be moved for a decent roster player like Kassian, Pujujuarvi, Bennett or Tierney? Does he get moved with JJ as a salary dump? Does he get moved for picks that JR will bundle to dump JJ? I'm anxious to find out.
- MacPatty


Find out next time on Dragonball Z
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:17 PM ET
huh?

JJ was added 2 years ago and Matheson is right there in front of you

- TheGame316


Kahun
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Sep 30 @ 1:17 PM ET
RW is a crappier version of Tanner who actually takes himself seriously
- TheGame316


We understand JJ sucks and JR has made some very very questionable moves. The trade happened, we discussed it, so let’s move on. Draft is next week. Even though the pens don’t have a 1st or 2nd rd pick, he could do a few articles regarding draft day trades or something. Even filler articles like “penguins best draft pick from every year”. The horse is dead, stop beating it
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Sep 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
I have to think Murray is the next domino and will really set the tone for the balance of the offseason. Will he be moved for a decent roster player like Kassian, Pujujuarvi, Bennett or Tierney? Does he get moved with JJ as a salary dump? Does he get moved for picks that JR will bundle to dump JJ? I'm anxious to find out.
- MacPatty


Attaching JJ to Murray would almost certainly require an additional high(ish) pick for a return cap dump, prospect goalie and maybe a late pick.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:19 PM ET
there has been some whiny RW posts, but this one has to be top 3. Can we get a blogger who does somewhat interesting articles instead of female doging about 2 players and the GM for the entire season?

Like a “player review” article, or realistic trade/FA acquisitions?

- drummer829


It reeks of entitlement. I bet there are plenty of quality amateur writers that would be happy to step in and allow RW to take his incessant whining to Twitter full-time where it belongs.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:20 PM ET
Kahun
- TheSabresTaco


Kahun still here today?

It's who was on the roster end of last season, (by that I mean 18/19) and who's on the roster today
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:27 PM ET
We understand JJ sucks and JR has made some very very questionable moves. The trade happened, we discussed it, so let’s move on. Draft is next week. Even though the pens don’t have a 1st or 2nd rd pick, he could do a few articles regarding draft day trades or something. Even filler articles like “penguins best draft pick from every year”. The horse is dead, stop beating it
- drummer829


Agreed

We all know JJ sucks but he has absolutely no perspective on it but it doesn't stop seemingly dedicated articles about it still

Every Team, EVERY TEAM had a terrible contract or a few overpays and ours is a measly 3.25 Million. Nashville has Turris for 6 years, Flames Lucic, Canucks Eriksson, The issue is playing JJ. That's as much on Sully as it is JR.

Just look at the dead weight that GMJR has been able to move. Maatta is a slug, Kessel has clearly regressed, Guddy got moved with no takeback, Horn was clearly slowing down and was injury prone. JJ's 3.25 hardly holds this roster back. Playing him is the issue and now that we're seemingly heavy on defenseman, I'm optimistic that is about to end, which makes this move all the better
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Sep 30 @ 1:29 PM ET
RW - I'm not sure what your point is. Hornqvist negotiated a NTC, if asked to, he is allowed to wave it. Happens all the time. There's no bad guy in this situation.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:33 PM ET
RW - I'm not sure what your point is. Hornqvist negotiated a NTC, if asked to, he is allowed to wave it. Happens all the time. There's no bad guy in this situation.
- stevens87


So, if JJ gets bought out will the blog be titled

"Rutherford gave Jack Johnson a 5 year contract but didn't respect it"?

I'll wait
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:35 PM ET
RW - I'm not sure what your point is. Hornqvist negotiated a NTC, if asked to, he is allowed to wave it. Happens all the time. There's no bad guy in this situation.
- stevens87



Pretty simple right? No one will call Hornqvist a selfish a-hole if he were to exercise his right to block the trade. But GMJR is an old white guy. That's why RW hates him.

Additionally, I think RW is butthurt that he couldn't "prove he was right" about Hornqvist's contract and NTC being a major issue.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 30 @ 1:38 PM ET
Pretty simple right? No one will call Hornqvist a selfish a-hole if he were to exercise his right to block the trade. But GMJR is an old white guy. That's why RW hates him.

Additionally, I think RW is butthurt that he couldn't "prove he was right" about Hornqvist's contract and NTC being a major issue.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


THIS

RW just lost the opportunity to rag on GMJR about Horn's overpaid, unmoveable contract for the next 3 years


YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 30 @ 1:42 PM ET
I have to think Murray is the next domino and will really set the tone for the balance of the offseason. Will he be moved for a decent roster player like Kassian, Pujujuarvi, Bennett or Tierney? Does he get moved with JJ as a salary dump? Does he get moved for picks that JR will bundle to dump JJ? I'm anxious to find out.
- MacPatty


All signs seem to point to a 2nd round pick. Which would be pretty boring haha. Though kind of ironic to give away Fleury for a 2nd to pave the way for Murray....and then ultimately get back a 2nd for Murray.

I think outside of a few cap-floor teams, most teams don't want to add salary without shedding any. So, that gives me hope that we can get a useful player. Kassian would be a nice 3rd liner/ZAR upgrade if we were to move on from ZAR but $3M for 4 more years is a big commitment. I like the Puljujarvi idea. Tierny is meh... but seems like someone Pens mgmt would covet.


NewfieStud
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 03.04.2013

Sep 30 @ 2:04 PM ET
Hockey....like many other sports and other types of work..is a business. As soon as CBA's are signed and contracts are signed, owners/GM's employ people to find any loophole possible to get around any conditions that are set in it!
In any job, as soon as you're hired there's a bean counter trying to find a way to get rid of you!
abasin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.27.2018

Sep 30 @ 2:14 PM ET
read Rossi's article today and he doesn't really seem to have a feel for how the Johnson situation will play out. He went over all the possible scenarios we already knew, but didn't mention buyout or retention. He touched on a lot issues for the Pens cap this year and moving forward


I thought the cap issues he brought up were overblown. Once the JJ situation gets figured out things are not really that bad. Hopefully, Tanev or Matheson can be dumped in the expansion draft and they will actually be in a pretty good spot.

Ultimately, I think they lose one of Rust or Kapanen in 2 years, most likely Rust, but I am more than ok with not sinking money and term into a 30-year-old.
greenyone
Joined: 02.20.2013

Sep 30 @ 2:14 PM ET
I was with you until the "personal accolades" statement. Those accolades run the obvious parallel to winning championships using whatever means are at his disposal.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Sep 30 @ 2:24 PM ET
I think blind siding guys with NTC is dumb because of situations like Kessel where the whole thing was finalized by the GMs but no one bothered to talk to Kessel about it and then the organization looked silly when Phil killed it after the details were leaked. Trying to offload guys with NTCs, however, shouldn’t be a taboo thing. Hornqvist still had every right to decline the trade and make life as difficult as possible for Rutherford if he wanted to. He didn’t and that was his prerogative, so I don’t think Hornqvist would have been any less offended if Rutherford had traded him without a NTC.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 30 @ 2:29 PM ET
Time for a change to the GM position in Pitt. Rutherford has to go.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 30 @ 2:33 PM ET
I think blind siding guys with NTC is dumb because of situations like Kessel where the whole thing was finalized by the GMs but no one bothered to talk to Kessel about it and then the organization looked silly when Phil killed it after the details were leaked. Trying to offload guys with NTCs, however, shouldn’t be a taboo thing. Hornqvist still had every right to decline the trade and make life as difficult as possible for Rutherford if he wanted to. He didn’t and that was his prerogative, so I don’t think Hornqvist would have been any less offended if Rutherford had traded him without a NTC.
- Victoro311

And that’s why I think it was a Richard move. Seems like JR doesn’t comprehend approaching guys earlier on in the process like a professional would do.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 30 @ 2:40 PM ET
I thought the cap issues he brought up were overblown. Once the JJ situation gets figured out things are not really that bad. Hopefully, Tanev or Matheson can be dumped in the expansion draft and they will actually be in a pretty good spot.

Ultimately, I think they lose one of Rust or Kapanen in 2 years, most likely Rust, but I am more than ok with not sinking money and term into a 30-year-old.

- abasin


The JJ situation getting figured out may not happen aside from him sitting in the press box which would do nothing for the cap.
abasin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.27.2018

Sep 30 @ 2:44 PM ET
The JJ situation getting figured out may not happen aside from him sitting in the press box which would do nothing for the cap.
- Rinosaur


Even if he is still on the books, it's really not that bad of a situation for the next two years, then some tough decisions have to be made. I think at the very least he is gone in the 2022 offseason when there is only one year left on the deal.

Having a $3.25 million cap hit is not that debilitating, its the fact that he is on the ice every single night.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 30 @ 3:00 PM ET
The thing that worries me the most is JR saying he's going to wait out the first few days of FA. That's got bargain bin shopping and overpaying for a player no one else wants written all over it.
- Hockey66

Well the good news is we don't have any cap space to overpay somebody this year. The first wave of free agency is usually bad deals anyways.

Honestly, I know you're into go big or don't bother moves, but thia is a good year to bargain shop. The stagnant cap means some good players will be forced to sign for less because there won't be enough money to go around. Whether GMJR properly identifies guys is the question, but we could really use a 3rd line wing or 2 and maube a RHD.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 30 @ 3:06 PM ET
THIS

RW just lost the opportunity to rag on GMJR about Horn's overpaid, unmoveable contract for the next 3 years

- TheGame316

My favorite part of the blog is when he complains Hornqvist deserved better, because you're right, any time he brings up Hornqvist, it's to complain about his salary or style of play.
abasin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.27.2018

Sep 30 @ 3:10 PM ET
Thoughts on if the NHL will play if no fans are allowed to attend? I think there is a not-insignificant chance the next season isn't played at all.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 30 @ 3:11 PM ET
I thought the cap issues he brought up were overblown. Once the JJ situation gets figured out things are not really that bad. Hopefully, Tanev or Matheson can be dumped in the expansion draft and they will actually be in a pretty good spot.

Ultimately, I think they lose one of Rust or Kapanen in 2 years, most likely Rust, but I am more than ok with not sinking money and term into a 30-year-old.

- abasin

I agree, in 2 years you probably walk away from Rust. Got him in his prime, but shouldn't give a 30 year old wing a long-term deal when you know you'll be rebuilding. Same goes for Dumoulin the next year, although at that point maybe trade him first.

Kapanen will be a RFA so they have a choice with him.
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