So after moving Staal's (who is shot) and buying out the Queen, the Rags have 23+ million in cap space? They have Lafreniere on the way, in addition to another first round draft pick. Is their future bright?
- PLindbergh31

It would seem that way. But all you have to do is look at Edmonton and just having the #1 pick (in their cases more than once) doesn't always equate to success. They got knocked out in a best of 5 by a 12th seed.

So after moving Staal's (who is shot) and buying out the Queen, the Rags have 23+ million in cap space? They have Lafreniere on the way, in addition to another first round draft pick. Is their future bright?
- PLindbergh31

They only have 13 players signed though. So ten more contracts to cover $23mil. They will have some space but not a ton. Let's see what they do with the space before we start predicting there future.

I’m not writing off Konecny, I’m saying I would upgrade above Konecny if possible. Getting his contract signed was a headache to wait on last summer. Fast forward to now, his playoffs was a disappointment.
- SuperSchennBros

That's not even debatable. But I don't think that will be his norm.

i find it extremely distasteful that you keep saying your posts aren't political, just be honest and do whatever you want, I wont be a party to it anymore.
- twotoekenn

Politics would be if my views were quoted in terms of political parties or ideologies. But they are not. I have on numerous occasions stated my support of many Republican parties and positions and personalities.

My posts are against the creep of rising fascism and the slow destruction of institutions and norms that was built to stand against it and which are the pillars of modern civilization. Are they perfect? No. Should they be improved ? Certainly.

But you don't abolish the NHL because referees tend to put their whistles away in OT. If you feel your doctor is poor, you don't replace him with a witch doctor who threatens to destroy modern medicine.

If my intent were political, I would have been prominent in the previous 3 elections I was actively participating here: 2008, 2012, 2016. I said not a word.

If what is happening today was political, you would not have had a parade of people ranging from Tom Ridge to John Kasich to John Boehner to General Mattis speak out in a way that is unheard of in US politics. When was the last time a former US President of a party refused to endorse his party's current candidate?

Not all perspectives that end up having political implications are political in nature. Fascism, racism and totalitarianism may end up being politically implemented but by and large they are values that are beyond political boundaries.

Politics would be if my views were quoted in terms of political parties or ideologies. But they are not. I have on numerous occasions stated my support of many Republican parties and positions and personalities.

My posts are against the creep of rising fascism and the slow destruction of institutions and norms that was built to stand against it and which are the pillars of modern civilization. Are they perfect? No. Should they be improved ? Certainly.

But you don't abolish the NHL because referees tend to put their whistles away in OT. If you feel your doctor is poor, you don't replace him with a witch doctor who threatens to destroy modern medicine.

If my intent were political, I would have been prominent in the previous 3 elections I was actively participating here: 2008, 2012, 2016. I said not a word.

If what is happening today was political, you would not have had a parade of people ranging from Tom Ridge to John Kasich to John Boehner to General Mattis speak out in a way that is unheard of in US politics. When was the last time a former US President of a party refused to endorse his party's current candidate?

Not all perspectives that end up having political implications are political in nature. Fascism, racism and totalitarianism may end up being politically implemented but by and large they are values that are beyond political boundaries.
- PT21

Can you do me a favor? I want you to make the following one-sentence post:

"Liquid water is wet."

I want to see what happens as a little social experiment.

Can you do me a favor? I want you to make the following one-sentence post:

"Liquid water is wet."

I want to see what happens as a little social experiment.
- jmatchett383

Liquid water is a silly statement because all water by definition is liquid.

Liquid water is a silly statement because all water by definition is liquid.
- PT21

Is all liquid wet?

I condemn liquid water in the following unambiguous terms.

Stand back and stand by.

Liquid water is a silly statement because all water by definition is liquid.
- PT21

Is melted ice cream still ice cream?

Is all liquid wet?
- mickel25

"wetness" generally refers to a sensation, right? So, there are plenty of forms of matter that would be technically called a liquid but would not provide that sensation.

So, no.

Is melted ice cream still ice cream?
- Scoob

Are we talking soft serve?

Is melted ice cream still ice cream?
- Scoob

Depends on the flavor. If it has mint in it, it is only what it was before: gross.

If what is happening today was political, you would not have had a parade of people ranging from Tom Ridge to John Kasich to John Boehner to General Mattis speak out in a way that is unheard of in US politics. When was the last time a former US President of a party refused to endorse his party's current candidate?


- PT21

That's politics. LMAO

That's not even debatable. But I don't think that will be his norm.
- Scoob

Laine's career stat line

2017-36G-28A 64P
2018-44G-26A 70P
2019-30G-20A 50P
2020-28G-35A 63P

Konecny career stat line

2017-11G-17A 28P
2018-24G-23A 47P
2019-24G-25A 49P
2020-24G-37A 61P

Both have played roughly the same amount of games. Konecny has improved in terms of production each year. I think they both are 65-75 point players for most of there careers. Laine will score more goals. But how much more? I would take Laine but not in a deal that includes Konecny.

They only have 13 players signed though. So ten more contracts to cover $23mil. They will have some space but not a ton. Let's see what they do with the space before we start predicting there future.
- mickel25

This. The rangers have an enormously bright future. But the cap space doesn't help much this year because they have something like 14 million in buy out dollars and 10 players to sign. Next year they are in good shape where they could add one or two high contracts plus let their internal talent develop. Their two tricky contracts this off season are strome and deangelo. Which should be interesting. They also continue to be rumored to RNH who is playing wing but is a very good 2 way center. The idea of 22 and buchnevich for rnh has been floated more than a few times. They still have to fix their d even with Lundqvist coming maybe this year.

As for the flyers. Greig would not be my choice at 23. I figure many organizations will take a swing at D despite it being a shallow D draft and next year being an insanely deep D draft. Some really great forwards are going to drop. My hope is Perreault falls to us. In a weird world where we move back (after just insulting the d Corp ill still say this) wallinder becomes an interesting candidate for us. Gunler name has been floated cause oconnor is big on taking the swing for the fences approach. Gunler has a very high ceiling and a not making the nhl floor. He could end up yakupov lite. I prefer a higher floor with a first rounder. And I know the flyers organization has tended to agree there.

As for the laine trade. We don't have a 2c to trade winnipeg. So it would have to be a top 4 d man. In the frame work of a trade that means Sanheim. So lets say its this years first, a 2nd next year, sanheim and maybe laughton or a forward prospect - brink, ratcliffe, lazcynski if were lucky. Then you have to sign laine to a 8 year 9+ million contract. But hey I mean he will absolutely score 40+ with coots. His issues in winnipeg stem from not being strapped to scheifele hip as a top line. He will expect to be with coots 24/7 here. So now jvr is completely redundant instead of mostly. Giroux or jake 1 probably needs to go. And you have a glaring hole in the top 4 on defense without a ready replacement. So overall I don't think it makes much sense. I also think their will be lower quality scorers available due to cap crunches. Right now tampa will have to move 2 of palat Killorn TJ kucherov stamkos point McDonough hedman gorde and almost that entire list has NMC. Could the flyers scoop one for cheap knowing the player might be willing to come here as a contender and tampa is in a bind?

Laine's career stat line

2017-36G-28A 64P
2018-44G-26A 70P
2019-30G-20A 50P
2020-28G-35A 63P

Konecny career stat line

2017-11G-17A 28P
2018-24G-23A 47P
2019-24G-25A 49P
2020-24G-37A 61P

Both have played roughly the same amount of games. Konecny has improved in terms of production each year. I think they both are 65-75 point players for most of there careers. Laine will score more goals. But how much more? I would take Laine but not in a deal that includes Konecny.
- mickel25

That's really the point. Laine is too expensive both in terms of the assets to acquire him and the cap expenditure it would take to pay him. He is not worth what I think it will cost.

That's really the point. Laine is too expensive both in terms of the assets to acquire him and the cap expenditure it would take to pay him. He is not worth what I think it will cost.
- MJL

Plus the guy plays too much fortnite

This. The rangers have an enormously bright future. But the cap space doesn't help much this year because they have something like 14 million in buy out dollars and 10 players to sign. Next year they are in good shape where they could add one or two high contracts plus let their internal talent develop. Their two tricky contracts this off season are strome and deangelo. Which should be interesting. They also continue to be rumored to RNH who is playing wing but is a very good 2 way center. The idea of 22 and buchnevich for rnh has been floated more than a few times. They still have to fix their d even with Lundqvist coming maybe this year.

As for the flyers. Greig would not be my choice at 23. I figure many organizations will take a swing at D despite it being a shallow D draft and next year being an insanely deep D draft. Some really great forwards are going to drop. My hope is Perreault falls to us. In a weird world where we move back (after just insulting the d Corp ill still say this) wallinder becomes an interesting candidate for us. Gunler name has been floated cause oconnor is big on taking the swing for the fences approach. Gunler has a very high ceiling and a not making the nhl floor. He could end up yakupov lite. I prefer a higher floor with a first rounder. And I know the flyers organization has tended to agree there.

As for the laine trade. We don't have a 2c to trade winnipeg. So it would have to be a top 4 d man. In the frame work of a trade that means Sanheim. So lets say its this years first, a 2nd next year, sanheim and maybe laughton or a forward prospect - brink, ratcliffe, lazcynski if were lucky. Then you have to sign laine to a 8 year 9+ million contract. But hey I mean he will absolutely score 40+ with coots. His issues in winnipeg stem from not being strapped to scheifele hip as a top line. He will expect to be with coots 24/7 here. So now jvr is completely redundant instead of mostly. Giroux or jake 1 probably needs to go. And you have a glaring hole in the top 4 on defense without a ready replacement. So overall I don't think it makes much sense. I also think their will be lower quality scorers available due to cap crunches. Right now tampa will have to move 2 of palat Killorn TJ kucherov stamkos point McDonough hedman gorde and almost that entire list has NMC. Could the flyers scoop one for cheap knowing the player might be willing to come here as a contender and tampa is in a bind?
- Tfaehner

There are going to be some bargains out there for sure as teams are forced to deal with the cap. It's one thing to be coming off of a cup win and having to move some players versus not. It's why being up against the cap like the Flyers are at this point of their team development is a mistake.

There are going to be some bargains out there for sure as teams are forced to deal with the cap. It's one thing to be coming off of a cup win and having to move some players versus not. It's why being up against the cap like the Flyers are at this point of their team development is a mistake.
- MJL

Can you give our opinion as to what flyers you think are overpaid based on their current contract.

What would you have done differently to not be against the cap?

So after moving Staal's (who is shot) and buying out the Queen, the Rags have 23+ million in cap space? They have Lafreniere on the way, in addition to another first round draft pick. Is their future bright?
- PLindbergh31

They are your true team. You should be stoked!

Can you give our opinion as to what flyers you think are overpaid based on their current contract.

What would you have done differently to not be against the cap?
- login

I think JVR is the only contract that is "bad" in my opinion. I think Hayes last year was pretty close to necessary with Patrick's future unclear.

JVR is a winger and the Flyers had already invested $16mil+ in two wingers. They could have filled out the roster better by bringing a few wingers on shorter term contracts for the cost of JVR.

I think Hayes probably gets paid too much based on output but he is really important to this team. Everyone else's contract I am fine with really.

Politics would be if my views were quoted in terms of political parties or ideologies. But they are not. I have on numerous occasions stated my support of many Republican parties and positions and personalities.

My posts are against the creep of rising fascism and the slow destruction of institutions and norms that was built to stand against it and which are the pillars of modern civilization. Are they perfect? No. Should they be improved ? Certainly.

But you don't abolish the NHL because referees tend to put their whistles away in OT. If you feel your doctor is poor, you don't replace him with a witch doctor who threatens to destroy modern medicine.

If my intent were political, I would have been prominent in the previous 3 elections I was actively participating here: 2008, 2012, 2016. I said not a word.

If what is happening today was political, you would not have had a parade of people ranging from Tom Ridge to John Kasich to John Boehner to General Mattis speak out in a way that is unheard of in US politics. When was the last time a former US President of a party refused to endorse his party's current candidate?

Not all perspectives that end up having political implications are political in nature. Fascism, racism and totalitarianism may end up being politically implemented but by and large they are values that are beyond political boundaries.
- PT21

ok, by your circular semantic argument you're not talking politics. stop talking about things that have nothing to do about hockey. i have a similar disdain for the sandwich or music discussion. talk hockey here or go away.

There are going to be some bargains out there for sure as teams are forced to deal with the cap. It's one thing to be coming off of a cup win and having to move some players versus not. It's why being up against the cap like the Flyers are at this point of their team development is a mistake.
- MJL

I mean the virus also didn't help as now it has changed the cap landscape. The cap was supposed to keep increasing. I actually don't have much issue with there cap as they are not the only team in that situation. What playoff team can you look at and say they are in great shape cap wise? All these teams are going to be making deals to try and move money. Only the bottom dwellers rebuilding have space.

Laine's career stat line

2017-36G-28A 64P
2018-44G-26A 70P
2019-30G-20A 50P
2020-28G-35A 63P

Konecny career stat line

2017-11G-17A 28P
2018-24G-23A 47P
2019-24G-25A 49P
2020-24G-37A 61P

Both have played roughly the same amount of games. Konecny has improved in terms of production each year. I think they both are 65-75 point players for most of there careers. Laine will score more goals. But how much more? I would take Laine but not in a deal that includes Konecny.
- mickel25

A lot more is the answer. Laine is averaging .45 goals per game in his career. Konecny is averaging .27 goals per game. It's averages out to about 15 goals per season, that is a ton.

Konecny has also played 22 playoff games, and he's got one goal so far. Small sample size, but that is pretty feeble.