They aren’t imo. Tk may very well be a thirty goal scorer in the future for years. And is a better passer. Yes laine can shoot but I don’t want a selfish player. At his age and size i question why they would be willing to trade him.
- Peter Richards

I would agree that we should not.

As far as the last part goes, I believe that he has been quite unhappy with his usage. He wanted to play on the first line, and for years he had frankly, poor centers with him. To be honest, Eichel is pretty unhappy too.

Laine seems like a guy who really wants to be a winner. Or he could be a cancer. I dunno. The former is not necessarily a bad thing. Lots of successful guys are very driven.

As an American, as a businessman in real life who advises a hedge fund, and someone who has been spent most of my life surrounded by, and contributing to, the idealism of academia (I have been affiliated to Penn for decades now), and someone for whom social struggles are intensely personal, it was tremendously spiritually depressing, quite apart from being aghast at the spectacle. I had trouble sleeping last night.

A serving American President repeatedly impugned a long established form of democracy (mail-in ballots), asked his supporters to enter polling stations (where they are not allowed without prior arrangements and county consent), told a white supremacy group "to stand back and stand by", refused to accept results unless they were consistent in allaying his phantom fears, and showed deep contempt for the institution of debate itself by hectoring, interrupting, being irrelevantly personal and nasty and behaving, in general, like one of the unhinged autocrats in the kind of "poophole" country that he does not want immigrants to come from.

The issue is not just the man itself. The blood that flows in his veins is the blood of trash. I knew that before he took office. The issue is the splatter of that blood in the trashing of all norms, all institutions, from the man who is supposed to lead them. It is as though the Pope delivered a 1.5 hour sermon on the joys of pedophilia.

In saying such things in a forum that is certainly devoted to other pursuits, I have to confess to feeling a certain bewilderment at the antipathy of those who reprimand me for talking about "politics."

I began my career working as a lecturer where my primary role was to assists senior faculty in preparation of graduate courses. One of the people I worked for went on to become a household name, a Republican, who was one of the kindest and most decent men I have ever met. I have voted for Packwood and Specter, two former US senators. I known many colleagues and friends, many highly successful people in business and academia and public life who are Republicans. None of them are anything less than appalled at the behavior of the dude at the helm.

There is nothing in my vehemence that has anything to do with Republican ideology. This President has drawn more disgust from his side of the aisle and from high ups in every sphere of public life than the last 10 Presidents combined. They have chosen to speak out and speak up in ways that are often in contradiction to the way their current roles dictate. In other words, they have broken the precise taboos that I am accused of breaking here (by inconsequential blithering nincompoops like Tomahawk and his ilk), in far more consequential forums. McCarthyism ended, in part, when a lawyer used un-lawyerly language and spoke out of turn: "have you left no sense of decency, sir?"

When will some people realize that those who tend to their gardens, those who use the manure to fertilize and overlook the stench, are just as much taking a stance as guys like myself? That it might be implicit, but it is still complicit? That those who insist on breaking the taboos suddenly, after twelve prior years of 'political circumspection', may be motivated by outrage more than rabble-rousing desires?
- PT21

- MBFlyerfan

Thats's not going to deter me, my man. Views like this have already been internalized (affectionately, in your case). I grew up in a poor family. I know the real world.

Thats's not going to deter me, my man. Views like this have already been internalized (affectionately, in your case). I grew up in a poor family. I know the real world.
- PT21

How someone grows up is based on a lot of experiences. It's real easy to tell when someone has been indoctrinated by the corrupt liberal higher education system and can no longer think on his own. It's all programming. Starting the shameless self aggrandizing.

I would agree that we should not.

As far as the last part goes, I believe that he has been quite unhappy with his usage. He wanted to play on the first line, and for years he had frankly, poor centers with him. To be honest, Eichel is pretty unhappy too.

Laine seems like a guy who really wants to be a winner. Or he could be a cancer. I dunno. The former is not necessarily a bad thing. Lots of successful guys are very driven.
- PT21

Well from what I understand he didn’t get along with all teammates and at times seemed disinterested. Reports of him playing fort nite all hours and such. Maybe he matured. But yeah. Don’t like what we’d have to sacrifice.

Well from what I understand he didn’t get along with all teammates and at times seemed disinterested. Reports of him playing fort nite all hours and such. Maybe he matured. But yeah. Don’t like what we’d have to sacrifice.
- Peter Richards

I agree on that. I would only do such a move if our needs were really well defined and they included a sniper like him. But lets see first what we have with TK, Bee, Frost, Oscar and so on. I hope we dont do much. Hence my mention of someone like Toffoli who might be avail for a much more reasonable sum and has much less risk.

I agree on that. I would only do such a move if our needs were really well defined and they included a sniper like him. But lets see first what we have with TK, Bee, Frost, Oscar and so on. I hope we dont do much. Hence my mention of someone like Toffoli who might be avail for a much more reasonable sum and has much less risk.
- PT21

Anytime you get into high spending on a UFA and that would be the case with Tofolli, there is a lot of risk. Tofolli simply doesn't move the needle. The guy is a 25 goal 45 point player. Why spend the cap assets for that when you have numerous players who might develop into that level of player? So yea, lets see first what we have with the players you named. That would be the smart move.

Watched 1 min of that video. Got the drift.

I was not good enough to pay baseball for my school. But there were rivers near my house, and I did play catcher in middle school.

Does that count?
- PT21

Ya lazy bum!

You missed the best part where he goes off on a tangent while Fearless from Meddle is playing on his turntable.

You need to see the whole movie when you get a chance. Made by the same guy who made "Dazed and Confused", and Wyatt Russell's (Kurt and Goldie Hawn's son) performance as the team's hippie was really good. (And as an aside, I think he played some organized hockey when he was younger. Also, he had a part with his dad in "Miracle", and he also had a cameo playing a hockey player, along with the Flyers' JVR, Scott Hartnell, Ian Laperrière, and Matt Carle as themselves in Judd Apatow's "This is 40.")

In case anyone missed this story from a few days ago:

News article:
https://www.tampabay.com/...prompt-visit-from-police/

As an American, as a businessman in real life who advises a hedge fund, and someone who has been spent most of my life surrounded by, and contributing to, the idealism of academia (I have been affiliated to Penn for decades now), and someone for whom social struggles are intensely personal, it was tremendously spiritually depressing, quite apart from being aghast at the spectacle. I had trouble sleeping last night.

A serving American President repeatedly impugned a long established form of democracy (mail-in ballots), asked his supporters to enter polling stations (where they are not allowed without prior arrangements and county consent), told a white supremacy group "to stand back and stand by", refused to accept results unless they were consistent in allaying his phantom fears, and showed deep contempt for the institution of debate itself by hectoring, interrupting, being irrelevantly personal and nasty and behaving, in general, like one of the unhinged autocrats in the kind of "poophole" country that he does not want immigrants to come from.

The issue is not just the man itself. The blood that flows in his veins is the blood of trash. I knew that before he took office. The issue is the splatter of that blood in the trashing of all norms, all institutions, from the man who is supposed to lead them. It is as though the Pope delivered a 1.5 hour sermon on the joys of pedophilia.

In saying such things in a forum that is certainly devoted to other pursuits, I have to confess to feeling a certain bewilderment at the antipathy of those who reprimand me for talking about "politics."

I began my career working as a lecturer where my primary role was to assists senior faculty in preparation of graduate courses. One of the people I worked for went on to become a household name, a Republican, who was one of the kindest and most decent men I have ever met. I have voted for Packwood and Specter, two former US senators. I known many colleagues and friends, many highly successful people in business and academia and public life who are Republicans. None of them are anything less than appalled at the behavior of the dude at the helm.

There is nothing in my vehemence that has anything to do with Republican ideology. This President has drawn more disgust from his side of the aisle and from high ups in every sphere of public life than the last 10 Presidents combined. They have chosen to speak out and speak up in ways that are often in contradiction to the way their current roles dictate. In other words, they have broken the precise taboos that I am accused of breaking here (by inconsequential blithering nincompoops like Tomahawk and his ilk), in far more consequential forums. McCarthyism ended, in part, when a lawyer used un-lawyerly language and spoke out of turn: "have you left no sense of decency, sir?"

When will some people realize that those who tend to their gardens, those who use the manure to fertilize and overlook the stench, are just as much taking a stance as guys like myself? That it might be implicit, but it is still complicit? That those who insist on breaking the taboos suddenly, after twelve prior years of 'political circumspection', may be motivated by outrage more than rabble-rousing desires?
- PT21

All that may be true about your president....but why in a country that large can’t you find someone better then Biden to run against him....the guy seems senile....I mean you can knock Trump....but christ.

How someone grows up is based on a lot of experiences. It's real easy to tell when someone has been indoctrinated by the corrupt liberal higher education system and can no longer think on his own. It's all programming. Starting the shameless self aggrandizing.
- MJL

For a guy who constantly accuses me of many things narcissistic and attention seeking (not saying your views are unreasonable based on recent evidence from your side, ha ha), its quite odd you should show your rejection by, well, giving me more attention, and letting me pick and choose what I respond to. Its a little bit like accusing your roommate of theft and then angrily storming out and leaving the belongings unsecured. By your own measures, you would be playing right into my hand.

But then, you choose to show your solidarity with working people and the common masses by choosing as the vehicle of your ideology a man who embodies crass wealth, and who did not want to go to Camp David because the settings were too rough and wanted to replace Air Force 1 with his private jet. I guess it takes all sorts.

Nonetheless, I will not refuse your kind accusation I mean implicit offer to seek further attention and flesh out the attention whore's persona.

My dad was a dude who made little money and who was terrible with it. My mom did not work. We owned an old, old car. We could not afford things like beef more than once a week. I worked odd jobs since I was twelve. I worked for a long time in my local Arby

When I got accepted to Penn, I did not have money to buy the ticket to fly to the east coast. I cleaned toilets for two months at the dorms in addition to my other jobs. In those days, you could travel on the return half of someone else's tix. I travelled under an Asian name. The plane in Chicago was late - the airport called out my Asian name to page me.

I did not have money to complete the journey. I hitched rides from Hartford to Philly. During graduate school, I had a stipend, but nothing else. Sometimes it was about $500 a month. I did not buy insurance, of course. Then I needed a root canal.

I had to stave it off for 2 years to save for it. I would go to this place called Longacre Pharmacy at 40 and Chestnut. I would buy vials of clove oil and pour it on the cavity. It was bloody painful. Sometimes I could not sleep at night. I was of course surrounded by wealthy kids, which made it worse. I had to interrupt grad school for 3 years to make some money for family reasons before I returned.

I dated across all walks of life, from strippers to sorority girls. I am not an ivory tower academic. I am very comfortable with going to any place in the world, going to the seediest place in the city, and chatting folks up.

My wife also went to Penn. She is prominent in food security issues in Philly, working for decades at a salary that our department secretary exceeds easily. Through her, we are always in public housing, in hunger walks, in Philly schools and so on.

There is nothing ennobling about poverty. Far from it. I would like everyone to be comfortable. The most perfect society I have ever observed is in Sweden, and they are pretty rich. I do not claim any moral grandeur, just a deep familiarity with what ground level realities are in this country that we share and deeply love.

In summary, my friend, you and your values do not speak for 'The People." What you embody is the worst values of the White American middle-class who cannot accept that certain realities - social, technological, cultural - have changed. Guys like me have nothing against you. The battle you accuse us of wanting to wage is very low in our list of priorities.

Now back to ignoring you.

All that may be true about your president....but why in a country that large can’t you find someone better then Biden to run against him....the guy seems senile....I mean you can knock Trump....but christ.
- landros 2

I’m not political at all, but it is comical that these are the 2 people we have to choose from. I’ve never voted in my life, don’t plan on starting now.

I come on this blog site and can barely get through a article without the whole page jumping back and forth. Do I need to pay EK up front so he can feed his kids or something. The Ads are pitiful.

Anyone who pulls that demo lever is 100% sick in the head.

All that may be true about your president....but why in a country that large can’t you find someone better then Biden to run against him....the guy seems senile....I mean you can knock Trump....but christ.
- landros 2

He is not senile. Probably senior, sure. A harmless, middle-of-the road old codger who is basically decent.

As to why: government in this country has become so diminished that the best people never go there. Why would you? Then the extremes play a huge role in weeding out all the capable people.

Singapore is really unusual in that it is the only Asian country that ranks very high (top 20) in being honest and transparent in its governance. Some of the best students I have taught come from Singapore. They all go back and into government.

I asked them why. I found that they are paid a very handsome allowance ($3000 to $5000 a month + school expenses) by the government. They give you 4 years. After that, you must go and work for the government for 7 odd (iirc).

When you go back and work for the government, it will guarantee you a salary equal to the average of the top 10% of your graduating class from HS. Plus, it is hugely socially prestigious. The best people are in government. Singapore therefore is a spectacularly well run city and government. Look at the way they have handled Covid.

Those students of mine were very bright. The average student at Penn takes 4 credits a semester to complete a major in 4 years. They took 9 credits a semester. One of them used his 4 years of government largesse to complete three majors in 3 years instead of 4, and a Masters from MIT. Another did a major in my department, and a major in computer science and a major in business, and a masters in government and a masters in Philosophy (all in his 4 years).

They then went back. One of them is a superintendent in Police. Another works in the health ministry (and supplies us data about Covid).

I have a question for you. How come as a Canadian you support not just the Flyers but the Eagles and watch Rocky 3 with your kid when the ECF is going on? Whats your connection to Philly?

Thanks for not piling on the "get out" bandwagon.

For a guy who constantly accuses me of many things narcissistic and attention seeking (not saying your views are unreasonable based on recent evidence from your side, ha ha), its quite odd you should show your rejection by, well, giving me more attention, and letting me pick and choose what I respond to. Its a little bit like accusing your roommate of theft and then angrily storming out and leaving the belongings unsecured. By your own measures, you would be playing right into my hand.


- PT21

Letting you pick and choose who you respond to? I was unaware I had that power. I better start using it. It's on online message board where each user routinely chooses who and what to respond to. LOL

But then, you choose to show your solidarity with working people and the common masses by choosing as the vehicle of your ideology a man who embodies crass wealth, and who did not want to go to Camp David because the settings were too rough and wanted to replace Air Force 1 with his private jet. I guess it takes all sorts.


- PT21

Nothing but rhetoric here. Trump is not the vehicle of my ideology. This is a bad misread on your part. I hold no animosity to anyone who is wealthy. I believe in capitalism.

Nonetheless, I will not refuse your kind accusation I mean implicit offer to seek further attention and flesh out the attention whore's persona.

My dad was a dude who made little money and who was terrible with it. My mom did not work. We owned an old, old car. We could not afford things like beef more than once a week. I worked odd jobs since I was twelve. I worked for a long time in my local Arby

When I got accepted to Penn, I did not have money to buy the ticket to fly to the east coast. I cleaned toilets for two months at the dorms in addition to my other jobs. In those days, you could travel on the return half of someone else's tix. I travelled under an Asian name. The plane in Chicago was late - the airport called out my Asian name to page me.

I did not have money to complete the journey. I hitched rides from Hartford to Philly. During graduate school, I had a stipend, but nothing else. Sometimes it was about $500 a month. I did not buy insurance, of course. Then I needed a root canal.

I had to stave it off for 2 years to save for it. I would go to this place called Longacre Pharmacy at 40 and Chestnut. I would buy vials of clove oil and pour it on the cavity. It was bloody painful. Sometimes I could not sleep at night. I was of course surrounded by wealthy kids, which made it worse. I had to interrupt grad school for 3 years to make some money for family reasons before I returned.

I dated across all walks of life, from strippers to sorority girls. I am not an ivory tower academic. I am very comfortable with going to any place in the world, going to the seediest place in the city, and chatting folks up.

My wife also went to Penn. She is prominent in food security issues in Philly, working for decades at a salary that our department secretary exceeds easily. Through her, we are always in public housing, in hunger walks, in Philly schools and so on.

There is nothing ennobling about poverty. Far from it. I would like everyone to be comfortable. The most perfect society I have ever observed is in Sweden, and they are pretty rich. I do not claim any moral grandeur, just a deep familiarity with what ground level realities are in this country that we share and deeply love.

In summary, my friend, you and your values do not speak for 'The People." What you embody is the worst values of the White American middle-class who cannot accept that certain realities - social, technological, cultural - have changed. Guys like me have nothing against you. The battle you accuse us of wanting to wage is very low in our list of priorities.

Now back to ignoring you.



- PT21

You can't even figure out what you're talking about! I don't attempt to speak for anyone but myself. You have no idea what I embody. I don't care what your journey was or what you claim it to be. Your credibility does not lead one to believe anything you state. Your repeated claims of what you do for a living and who you're aligned with only proves and shows what you hold sacred. It's the equivalent of stating, "I'm the elite and I know better than you do. Look at where I work and who I associate with. They're all superior to you"! You have no individual thought and have literally been educated into stupidity.

Here is the bottom line. Politics should be kept off of Bill's thread as he has requested. If you feel the need to "educate" people and show your superiority, start a thread in the Misc. section and I'll be happy to join you over there and show you who is actually superior both in terms of morality and the facts. It would be a huge blow to your over inflated ego to be humiliated by a white American middle class guy.

Back to ignoring me! Just like you're leaving HB.

He is not senile. Probably senior, sure. A harmless, middle-of-the road old codger who is basically decent.

As to why: government in this country has become so diminished that the best people never go there. Why would you? Then the extremes play a huge role in weeding out all the capable people.

Singapore is really unusual in that it is the only Asian country that ranks very high (top 20) in being honest and transparent in its governance. Some of the best students I have taught come from Singapore. They all go back and into government.

I asked them why. I found that they are paid a very handsome allowance ($3000 to $5000 a month + school expenses) by the government. They give you 4 years. After that, you must go and work for the government for 7 odd (iirc).



When you go back and work for the government, it will guarantee you a salary equal to the average of the top 10% of your graduating class from HS. Plus, it is hugely socially prestigious. The best people are in government. Singapore therefore is a spectacularly well run city and government. Look at the way they have handled Covid.

Those students of mine were very bright. The average student at Penn takes 4 credits a semester to complete a major in 4 years. They took 9 credits a semester. One of them used his 4 years of government largesse to complete three majors in 3 years instead of 4, and a Masters from MIT. Another did a major in my department, and a major in computer science and a major in business, and a masters in government and a masters in Philosophy (all in his 4 years).

They then went back. One of them is a superintendent in Police. Another works in the health ministry (and supplies us data about Covid).

I have a question for you. How come as a Canadian you support not just the Flyers but the Eagles and watch Rocky 3 with your kid when the ECF is going on? Whats your connection to Philly?

Thanks for not piling on the "get out" bandwagon.



- PT21

I get that question a lot....goes back to my childhood when we used to play against the Gladiator hockey system in Cherry hill area in an exchange tournament ever year...played against Clarke’s kid Wade and Leach’s kid Jamie and hosted Leach when he came up here. Went to Flyers practices and games got to meet all the players...it left impression. No NFL in Canada, so I kind of adopted Eagles when I was young...I get down to a few games each year With the same crew and have a blast...

Did I just see video of Stamkos vaping on a boat with the cup?
- MBFlyerfan

One hit of a vape and I’m surprised his lung didn’t collapse. Is he ever healthy?

How someone grows up is based on a lot of experiences. It's real easy to tell when someone has been indoctrinated by the corrupt liberal higher education system and can no longer think on his own. It's all programming. Starting the shameless self aggrandizing.
- MJL

MJL the Proud Boy standing back and standing by I see

I get that question a lot....goes back to my childhood when we used to play against the Gladiator hockey system in Cherry hill area in an exchange tournament ever year...played against Clarke’s kid Wade and Leach’s kid Jamie and hosted Leach when he came up here. Went to Flyers practices and games got to meet all the players...it left impression. No NFL in Canada, so I kind of adopted Eagles when I was young...I get down to a few games each year With the same crew and have a blast...
- landros 2

Ah interesting. Thanks. 👍

Ya lazy bum!

You missed the best part where he goes off on a tangent while Fearless from Meddle is playing on his turntable.

You need to see the whole movie when you get a chance. Made by the same guy who made "Dazed and Confused", and Wyatt Russell's (Kurt and Goldie Hawn's son) performance as the team's hippie was really good. (And as an aside, I think he played some organized hockey when he was younger. Also, he had a part with his dad in "Miracle", and he also had a cameo playing a hockey player, along with the Flyers' JVR, Scott Hartnell, Ian Laperrière, and Matt Carle as themselves in Judd Apatow's "This is 40.")
- Bendecko

I fear all that would be wasted on me. I am
sadly woefully ignorant about pop culture. I did have a very detailed, very geeky knowledge of sixties classic rock, but then kinda moved on.

I will watch all of it later. 😁

Anyone who pulls that demo lever is 100% sick in the head.
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Turd

Turd
- BenderRodriguez

Trump 2020

Trump 2020
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Ok, daryl

Ok, daryl
- BenderRodriguez

Nice boys don’t play rock and roll