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OLDSCHOOL#6
New York Rangers
Joined: 10.14.2007

Sep 30 @ 5:40 AM ET
They shouldn't buy him out. You also have to look at player morale towards the organization. The players invest their blood, sweat, and tears into a team. It doesn't have to be treated as only a business. They should find a trade for Giorgiev, and let Hank stay as the back up. It will most likely be a shortened season next year, so goalies can take more of a 50/50 split. Rangers aren't a Stanley Cup contender yet, so no need to rush that. Let Hank finish with the Rangers and dignity. I don't view Giorgiev as anything more than a backup with Shesty here. I think Giorgiev would rather be traded than sign with Rangers and be a backup for his entire career.

In regards to who would back up after next season, the Rangers have Tyler Wall up and coming. If he is not ready, there should be plenty of FA signings for a cheap backup.

- Hedgedog32

“It’s just business Sonny, it’s not personal”.

This notion that the organization owes him the right to finish his career as a Ranger is ridiculous. He signed a contract for 8 years at 8.5 mil, and was paid. This is not Mark Messier here, sorry. Sather created this dilemma by not having the foresight or caring what a 38 year old goalie would look like In 2021, now JD and Gorton have to look like the bad guys? Bull shyt. Yes, he had a stellar career, now it’s time to go, he’s no longer the face of the franchise, actually he’s in the way.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 30 @ 7:06 AM ET
They shouldn't buy him out. You also have to look at player morale towards the organization. The players invest their blood, sweat, and tears into a team. It doesn't have to be treated as only a business. They should find a trade for Giorgiev, and let Hank stay as the back up. It will most likely be a shortened season next year, so goalies can take more of a 50/50 split. Rangers aren't a Stanley Cup contender yet, so no need to rush that. Let Hank finish with the Rangers and dignity. I don't view Giorgiev as anything more than a backup with Shesty here. I think Giorgiev would rather be traded than sign with Rangers and be a backup for his entire career.

In regards to who would back up after next season, the Rangers have Tyler Wall up and coming. If he is not ready, there should be plenty of FA signings for a cheap backup.

- Hedgedog32


see this is not only his opinion, this is the opinion of a lot of fans who want the Rangers to make their decisions for sentimental reasons

it's why I keep going back to Hank playing in the bubble, it was the dumbest idea and it actually made things worse

the correct decision is that Lundqvist is not a capable NHL goalie any more, the last year of his contract should be bought out, and when Shesterkin can't play, Georgiev should play.

they are NOW doing the right thing

That was a fact in January. a fact in March. and it should have been in July.

The fact that Lundqvist played those two games in July and played ok just made it harder for some people to say goodbye.
Ari123
New York Rangers
Joined: 07.26.2019

Sep 30 @ 7:30 AM ET
Hear me out.. DeAngelo, strome ,Anderson,1 of kravtsov or lunqvist , 22 overall and next year too 10 protected 1st for eichel? Good or bad deal?
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 30 @ 7:32 AM ET
Hear me out.. DeAngelo, strome ,Anderson,1 of kravtsov or lunqvist , 22 overall and next year too 10 protected 1st for eichel? Good or bad deal?
- Ari123


Lundqvist is getting bought out, is already done

dashripdot
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 30 @ 7:35 AM ET
Hear me out.. DeAngelo, strome ,Anderson,1 of kravtsov or lunqvist , 22 overall and next year too 10 protected 1st for eichel? Good or bad deal?
- Ari123

For Buffalo to trade Eichel, they'd want the equivalent (good luck finding that) of Eichel plus. They don't have to deal him, either for reasons having to do with the cap, their internal budget, his performance or a locker-room problem. Sabres problems are management and team performance problems, so they're not inclined to trade him without receiving a haul in return.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 30 @ 7:44 AM ET
For Buffalo to trade Eichel, they'd want the equivalent (good luck finding that) of Eichel plus. They don't have to deal him, either for reasons having to do with the cap, their internal budget, his performance or a locker-room problem. Sabres problems are management and team performance problems, so they're not inclined to trade him without receiving a haul in return.
- dashripdot


yep, pretty much

I also dont think people realize just how outstanding Eichel's season was with very very little around him

if Eichel played with Panarin?

OMG
dashripdot
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 30 @ 7:47 AM ET
yep, pretty much

I also dont think people realize just how outstanding Eichel's season was with very very little around him

if Eichel played with Panarin?

OMG

- jimbro83

Would love to have him, especially after he put it all together this past season, but who do you sacrifice to get him? Panarin or Zibanejad? If the answer is "neither" (that would be my answer), probably can't get him. Maybe they would take the overall #1 pick, but I'd rather have the less-expensive Lafreniere at this point, although he's not a center.
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:08 AM ET
It’s not personal, it’s only business
- Tee56


Leetch won us a cup and was traded in his birthday. It’s business. Can’t make emotional decisions in business or you’ll lose
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:13 AM ET
Holy cow the Jets and G-men suck...you all better hope your unproven commodities pan out cause if they don't and the rangers blow still then I truly feel bad for y'all...
P.s. Eichel would far and away be the best player on the rangers..never gonna get him,especially with the clown offers I've seen here.

P.p.s. little upset I didn't get the invite for the Hbuzz draft.

Enjoy the rest of the football season suckers

- Pet.m.d.



Panarin >> Eichel
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:36 AM ET
Leetch won us a cup and was traded in his birthday. It’s business. Can’t make emotional decisions in business or you’ll lose
- nyrangers2


historically I think this fanbase is probably the worst in the NHL at being able to handle tough decisions

letting Giacomin go and giving the goalie reigns to JD in 1975 was actually the right decision

we just dont have the stomach for it
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Sep 30 @ 8:40 AM ET
Would love to have him, especially after he put it all together this past season, but who do you sacrifice to get him? Panarin or Zibanejad? If the answer is "neither" (that would be my answer), probably can't get him. Maybe they would take the overall #1 pick, but I'd rather have the less-expensive Lafreniere at this point, although he's not a center.
- dashripdot


I'm in no means advocating trading him, what would you think if they would take Kakko instead? Somehting like Kakko, Kandre or Nils, a couple firsts, maybe 1-2 second level prospects.

I've gone on record in saying I don't see how we could fit Eichel long term. I would trade Zib for Eichel, but I don't think that really makes sense for either team.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:43 AM ET
I'm in no means advocating trading him, what would you think if they would take Kakko instead? Somehting like Kakko, Kandre or Nils, a couple firsts, maybe 1-2 second level prospects.

I've gone on record in saying I don't see how we could fit Eichel long term. I would trade Zib for Eichel, but I don't think that really makes sense for either team.

- 2sticks1puck


really the only way possible is getting rid of Trouba's 8 mil a year
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Sep 30 @ 8:44 AM ET
historically I think this fanbase is probably the worst in the NHL at being able to handle tough decisions

letting Giacomin go and giving the goalie reigns to JD in 1975 was actually the right decision

we just dont have the stomach for it

- jimbro83



I more or less am extremely annoyed due to the dead cap space. Trading Staal was huge and I thought they could just ride out this season and be good to go. Do whatever you have to with Georgiev IDGAF.
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Sep 30 @ 8:44 AM ET
really the only way possible is getting rid of Trouba's 8 mil a year
- jimbro83



I just don't see why Buffalo would move on from Eichel. It makes no sense whatsoever.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:47 AM ET
I more or less am extremely annoyed due to the dead cap space. Trading Staal was huge and I thought they could just ride out this season and be good to go. Do whatever you have to with Georgiev IDGAF.
- JRR1285



really the only issue with the dead cap space is other team's fans trolling us about it

there is plenty of cap space for the Rangers to function fine this season even with all the dead space
climbdenali12
New York Rangers
Location: MSG sec 226 Row 17 Seats 23-24
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 30 @ 8:49 AM ET
I more or less am extremely annoyed due to the dead cap space. Trading Staal was huge and I thought they could just ride out this season and be good to go. Do whatever you have to with Georgiev IDGAF.
- JRR1285


But riding it out this season would be 8.5M in basically dead cap space. Buying out Hank save the team about 3M this year and then a "dead cap" hit of 1.5M the next.
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Sep 30 @ 8:50 AM ET
really the only issue with the dead cap space is other team's fans trolling us about it

there is plenty of cap space for the Rangers to function fine this season even with all the dead space

- jimbro83



I'm just saying I don't see the reason for it. Staal being gone solved most of the problem. It was a masterful move. This, not so much. Maybe the market for Georgiev was poop? Couldn't they have waited for the second buyout window? Maybe Hank requested the first one so that he would have a better chance of being signed?

JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Sep 30 @ 8:51 AM ET
But riding it out this season would be 8.5M in basically dead cap space. Buying out Hank save the team about 3M this year and then a "dead cap" hit of 1.5M the next.
- climbdenali12



I understand that and I would have been more OK with the buyout had Staal still been here.

dashripdot
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:52 AM ET
I'm in no means advocating trading him, what would you think if they would take Kakko instead? Somehting like Kakko, Kandre or Nils, a couple firsts, maybe 1-2 second level prospects.

I've gone on record in saying I don't see how we could fit Eichel long term. I would trade Zib for Eichel, but I don't think that really makes sense for either team.

- 2sticks1puck

I wouldn't mind Kakko (because the Rangers need another quality center), but I wouldn't want to give up Miller or Lunqvist. The D gets pushed around too much in their own end as it is, so I think they need Miller and probably need Trouba to balance out the skill with their muscle. But I don't think Eichel gets traded until he demands it. So far, supposedly, that isn't happening.
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Sep 30 @ 8:53 AM ET
I wouldn't mind Kakko (because the Rangers need another quality center), but I wouldn't want to give up Miller or Lunqvist. The D gets pushed around too much in their own end as it is, so I think they need Miller and probably need Trouba to balance out the skill with their muscle. But I don't think Eichel gets traded until he demands it. So far, supposedly, that isn't happening.
- dashripdot



I understand it's for Eichel but hell no. I want to see what he can do here.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:57 AM ET
I'm just saying I don't see the reason for it. Staal being gone solved most of the problem. It was a masterful move. This, not so much. Maybe the market for Georgiev was poop? Couldn't they have waited for the second buyout window? Maybe Hank requested the first one so that he would have a better chance of being signed?
- JRR1285


I absolutely believe the trade value of Georgiev was poop

THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO PLAY HIM IN THE BUBBLE
dashripdot
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 30 @ 8:58 AM ET
I understand it's for Eichel but hell no. I want to see what he can do here.
- JRR1285

I do, too, but his lack of engagement in any aspect of the game really surprised me. I know he's young, and he's got tons of skill when he's on the bigger ice and has room to move, if he doesn't adapt his game to the NHL, it's going to be a problem.
2sticks1puck
New York Rangers
Location: The not quite neutral zone
Joined: 01.31.2019

Sep 30 @ 9:03 AM ET
I do, too, but his lack of engagement in any aspect of the game really surprised me. I know he's young, and he's got tons of skill when he's on the bigger ice and has room to move, if he doesn't adapt his game to the NHL, it's going to be a problem.
- dashripdot


I think his problem was, before the season he had basically had played a whole year of hockey without any kind of offseason. I really think that kid was gassed. There's no question he has to make adjustments, but I think we will see improvement virtue of him being a fresher version of himself.
dashripdot
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 30 @ 9:05 AM ET
I think his problem was, before the season he had basically had played a whole year of hockey without any kind of offseason. I really think that kid was gassed. There's no question he has to make adjustments, but I think we will see improvement virtue of him being a fresher version of himself.
- 2sticks1puck

He appeared to be better after the restart, but relative to the rest of the team's horrible performance at that time I'm not sure if he had improved or was the same.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 30 @ 9:08 AM ET
I absolutely believe the trade value of Georgiev was poop

THIS IS WHY I WANTED TO PLAY HIM IN THE BUBBLE

- jimbro83


do you think the value isn't there because he didn't play much? honestly, I think it's probably because there are just soooooooo many goalie available right now.....supply far outweighs demand. goalies have never been that valuable to begin with (in terms of trade value) add to the mix that there are probably close to 10-12 good goalies available, and the return just isn't going to be there.
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