Let's go with 23 man roster, if they have 16 signed, it leaves 7 spots to fill with $12 Million. Add one "middle of the road" d-man for $3.5 Million leaves you $8.5 million for 6 spots. Where is "something big" coming from - especially when you consider that their top goalie will be an RFA next year along with 6 more RFA's
- winsix

Well a 23 man roster is not necessary so if they want to make a move we shouldn't limit it b/c of that.

Hypothetically if they signed Krug for 7 million and the other guys as you suggested they'd have 5 million left over to sign their 4th line and a sub or two. It works.

Add in that they may also buy out or trade B. Smith and his 4.3 anchor. He's off the books next year and the Rags don't have any bad contracts so planning for next year is pretty good.

I don't recommend it.

He's not that good.
- BINGO!

He's pretty darn good.
Just a little pricey, but if Florida could eat 1.5m of salary per.
That would be great.

I wonder if Holtby would be interested in a 5y x 5.5-6mlnAAV deal.
I've always liked Holtby, and from the Leafs perspective, that should be considered as an upgrade over Andersen.
Not sure if the goalie market right now is such that Holtby is able to demand a better contract..
- MaximusAurelius

Holtby should consider himself fortunate if he tops 5M

His plan worked. I didn't think it was a good idea to take Shoemaker out, but it worked.

Offense needs to wake up if the Jays want to win.
- Leafs43

Was his plan to pull the starting pitcher 2 or 3 innings too early when he's absolutely rolling and have the guy who he brought in too early give up a run immediately? And then have the other guy that shouldn't have been in yet give up a 2 run homerun? 'Cause if so, congrats to him.

Don't think that's possible. I believe the player had to be in the lineup the end of the previous year to get that 8th year.
I could be wrong though.
- bobbyisno1

No, I think you are right, that's why a sign and trade is more likely to happen than a trade for his rights.
His rights only get you 7 years....why waste assets on that when you can just get him as UFA.
But STL could sign him to 8 and trade him.

Was his plan to pull the starting pitcher 2 or 3 innings too early when he's absolutely rolling and have the guy who he brought in too early give up a run immediately? And then have the other guy that shouldn't have been in yet give up a 2 run homerun? 'Cause if so, congrats to him.
- GreatGigInTheSky

The 1st run was a catching error.

Holtby should consider himself fortunate if he tops 5M
- Hardbalz

then leafs should be 1st in line to sign him to a 5mln AAV contract (if 5y or less).

and the year after Kakko plus Zbanejad and the one following Lafreniere - they'll be juggling for sure.
- winsix

This sounds exactly like the trolls around here 2-3 years ago. They have good young players who will need good contracts. That's a good thing. They can add without losing that flexibility.

If they go out and sign a bunch of vets and give them NMC then ya they may regret that but the original point is ...lots of cap space and lots of options.

They didn't add the Breadman and tell him you get to babysit the kids for 5 years. The Rags will spend their money.

It wasn't montoyas decision, it was the game plan from the analytics geeks.
Had the jays actually been able to hit the ball and not swing at every pitch, it looked like it could have worked.
They only allowed 3 runs, one of which was an error.
- Fakepartofme

The GM is an error.

If this is true, can we get a pair for Andersen?

I don't really think it was Montoyo's decision.. I have a feeling it was Shapiro/Atkins making the call.
- PatC80

I agree.

But it's also another reason to not like him. He's not a good manager.

Was his plan to pull the starting pitcher 2 or 3 innings too early when he's absolutely rolling and have the guy who he brought in too early give up a run immediately? And then have the other guy that shouldn't have been in yet give up a 2 run homerun? 'Cause if so, congrats to him.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I still don't think it was his plan.. If it was Shoemaker wouldn't be fist-bumping Montoyo.. It was Pete Walker that went to talk to him, which makes me think it was Shapiro or Atkins, or both.. not Montoyo

then leafs should be 1st in line to sign him to a 5mln AAV contract (if 5y or less).
- MaximusAurelius

I agree with you, if the Leafs can get Holtby for under $5M, they should do it.

Would you trade the Leafs first rounder in a package to get Ekblad?
- gergeswillems

I would definitely deal the pick if Ekblad came back in return. The team needs to bring in guys who can stabalize their D. It's pretty scary as it stands

Was his plan to pull the starting pitcher 2 or 3 innings too early when he's absolutely rolling and have the guy who he brought in too early give up a run immediately? And then have the other guy that shouldn't have been in yet give up a 2 run homerun? 'Cause if so, congrats to him.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Plan was Shoemaker/Ray combine for about 6 innings. They gave up one run in those six innings (On an error/wild pitch). Success.

I would have preferred Shoemaker stay in. But the bottom line is the plan basically worked. The offense needs to score more than 1 run if you want to beat the Rays...

Would you trade the Leafs first rounder in a package to get Ekblad?
- gergeswillems

Nah, Marner would be more than enough.

If this is true, can we get a pair for Andersen?


- Atomic Wedgie

Who remembers SNL “Jane, you ignorant slut” skits?

https://twitter.com/james.../1311313016399572994?s=12

I agree with you, if the Leafs can get Holtby for under $5M, they should do it.
- PatC80

As in Braden Holtby?! The guy has a sv% above .910 once in the last 4 years. For a team that plays a lot better defensively than ours...

He would get absolutely slaughtered in Toronto.

Dufus is proposing we tie our ship to that anchor for 5 years.🤮

The 1st run was a catching error.
- Fakepartofme

It was also on a pitcher that shouldn't have been in the game yet. Which is the most important part.

Ray pitched well. He was just in the game 2 or 3 innings before he should've been. And because of such, it got runs scored against the Jays.

The 1st run was a catching error.
- Fakepartofme

How so? It was in the dirt.

Go future expos!

As in Braden Holtby?! The guy has a sv% above .910 once in the last 4 years. For a team that plays a lot better defensively than ours...

He would get absolutely slaughtered in Toronto.

Dufus is proposing we tie our ship to that anchor for 5 years.🤮
- joel878

I wouldn't do it for 5 years, maybe for 1 or 2 years

If this is true, can we get a pair for Andersen?


- Atomic Wedgie

oh HELL yeah this is the good stuff

Plan was Shoemaker/Ray combine for about 6 innings. They gave up one run in those six innings (On an error/wild pitch). Success.

I would have preferred Shoemaker stay in. But the bottom line is the plan basically worked. The offense needs to score more than 1 run if you want to beat the Rays...
- Leafs43

You know what a Managers job is? To manage. There was a complete lack of that in yesterdays game.

When your starting pitcher is rolling that good, you keep him in. If Shoemaker goes the 5 or 6 innings he should've, then Ray comes in for the final 3 or so (bring in Bass to maybe close it out) and Cole doesn't come in and give up 2.

Their "plan" didn't work because it cost them runs and they lost.

Go future expos!
- Scabeh

Marlins?