Yzerman is going to build another dynasty in Detroit and Tampa is his blueprint. The Lightning need to hurry up and win a Cup soon, because their window is closing and the Yzerman era is about to kick in. The future of the East belongs to Detroit.

Y'all better get off this whole draft anyone other than ASKAROV at 4 poope. Any/all excuse is just bullpoope. You take a chance no matter who you pick, nobody just trades elite goalies Willy nilly and one is going to sign with a team in Detroit's position. You draft him and then elite goalie is no longer a need.

Y'all better get off this whole draft anyone other than ASKAROV at 4 poope. Any/all excuse is just bullpoope. You take a chance no matter who you pick, nobody just trades elite goalies Willy nilly and one is going to sign with a team in Detroit's position. You draft him and then elite goalie is no longer a need.
- VonDouche

No.

Anyone complainging about the trade for a serviceable Dman (especially on a bad team) while acquiring a 2nd Round Pick is INSANE. Having Top 60 picks, hell expand that Top 100 picks, is 100% the way to rebuild. Not to mention, Staal doesnt HAVE to make the team. If there is another Salary Dump trade available and the Wings get someonethey deem better than Staal along with yet another pick, then they buy out Staal and move on. This isn't an issue for me, whatsoever.

For a rebuild you want as many fliers as possible. Even if the guy in this specific pick doesnt work out, it was better than standing pat, and just not using the Salary Cap space available to your advantage.

Plus now the Rangers still have the 1st rounder to dump for Lundqvist when the Wings help there too... hahaha 😂😂😂

With 6 picks in the top 100 this year and now 7 more in the top 100 next year, that's up to 13 players that may work out. With Stevie drafting its statistically improbable that they wont find at least 3-4 quality NHL players out of that. Maybe not Superstars, but solid NHLers.

I'm even really intrigued about trading back this year.... If NJ gave us 7 and either one of the other 2 picks (18 preferably) this year, I'd REALLY consider it.... ESPECIALLY of whoever is coming up is gonna take Drysdale who I know myself and a few other on this board aren't enamored with at 4.... feds how much difference do you see between Rossi and probably one of the Swedes at 7?

A trade back and ending up with Holtz, Sanderson or hell, as I have been vocal about, Lundell, plus another 1st.... I'm all over that! Especially when that 2nd 1st rounder could be Weissblatt, Zary, Bourque or Brisson.

A draft of Lundell or Holtz, Brisson, and 3 2nd rounders (Bordaleau, Smilanic, Vierling or Truscott) sounds REAL nice to me...

Tired teams going to a 2nd OT.in a back to back....Hope the NHL and NBC execs are happy with exhausting these guys for the almighty dollar!
- HenryHockey

You hafta be joking. There are people who work 8-12 hour shifts doing slave work for days to weeks straight and you're upset about people playing hockey? Grow up

No.
- Feds91Stammer

No to you. It would be dumb to not take him.

No.
- Feds91Stammer

So what you're saying is that when ASKAROV is dominating the league at the top of goalie stat categories, that somehow isn't worth taking him at 4 compared to a defender who is a top 4 on the Wings or a forward who is top 9?

And that somehow if Askarov doesn't end up being an elite or even top tier goalie that's worse than getting a defender who isn't in the top 4 or a forward who doesn't make the top 9?

Maybe if great goalies grew on trees, but they don't and this kid dominates everywhere he plays and is currently 3 games deep in the KHL at 18 with a .974 Sv% and 0.74 GAA.

Honestly I'd be surprised if he would even be available at the Wings on 4. This would be the icing on the rebuild. No matter what you need elite goaltending and where else are the wings going to get it? Meanwhile it is far easier to get top 6 forwards and top 4 D. Y'all are silly

So what you're saying is that when ASKAROV is dominating the league at the top of goalie stat categories, that somehow isn't worth taking him at 4 compared to a defender who is a top 4 on the Wings or a forward who is top 9?

And that somehow if Askarov doesn't end up being an elite or even top tier goalie that's worse than getting a defender who isn't in the top 4 or a forward who doesn't make the top 9?

Maybe if great goalies grew on trees, but they don't and this kid dominates everywhere he plays and is currently 3 games deep in the KHL at 18 with a .974 Sv% and 0.74 GAA.

Honestly I'd be surprised if he would even be available at the Wings on 4. This would be the icing on the rebuild. No matter what you need elite goaltending and where else are the wings going to get it? Meanwhile it is far easier to get top 6 forwards and top 4 D. Y'all are silly
- VonDouche

No.

No.
- Feds91Stammer

Yes

Hell no to Askarov at 4th overall. Goalies are the biggest crap shoot in the draft. Wings still have way too many holes to take that kind of risk that high. You are as likely (or more likely) to find a starting goalie after the first round then you are at finding one in the 1st round. The goalie market is flooded with goalies and goalies are way cheaper to trade for than top 6 centers or top 4 defensemen.

Hell no to Askarov at 4th overall. Goalies are the biggest crap shoot in the draft. Wings still have way too many holes to take that kind of risk that high. You are as likely (or more likely) to find a starting goalie after the first round then you are at finding one in the 1st round. The goalie market is flooded with goalies and goalies are way cheaper to trade for than top 6 centers or top 4 defensemen.
- dcz28

So what you're saying is that when ASKAROV is dominating the league at the top of goalie stat categories, that somehow isn't worth taking him at 4 compared to a defender who is a top 4 on the Wings or a forward who is top 9?

And that somehow if Askarov doesn't end up being an elite or even top tier goalie that's worse than getting a defender who isn't in the top 4 or a forward who doesn't make the top 9?

Maybe if great goalies grew on trees, but they don't and this kid dominates everywhere he plays and is currently 3 games deep in the KHL at 18 with a .974 Sv% and 0.74 GAA.

Honestly I'd be surprised if he would even be available at the Wings on 4. This would be the icing on the rebuild. No matter what you need elite goaltending and where else are the wings going to get it? Meanwhile it is far easier to get top 6 forwards and top 4 D. Y'all are silly
- VonDouche

In the last 10 seasons, 16 different goalies have finished top-3 in Vezina voting at least once. Here's who they are, and how their teams acquired them prior to their Vezina finalist season(s):

Connor Hellebucyk: Drafted 130th overall

Andrei Vasilevskiy: Drafted 19th overall

Tuukka Rask: Acquired by trade

Ben Bishop: Acquired by trade (he’s been traded three times in his career and his Vezina nominations have all come with his third and fourth teams)

Robin Lehner: Signed as a free agent

Pekka Rinne: Drafted 258th overall

Sergei Bobrovsky: Acquired by trade

Braden Holtby: Drafted 93rd overall

Carey Price: Drafted 5th overall

Jonathan Quick: Drafted 72nd overall

Devan Dubnyk: Signed as a free agent and traded midseason

Semyon Varlamov: Acquired by trade

Henrik Lundqvist: Drafted 205th overall

Antti Niemi: Signed as free agent

Tim Thomas: Signed as a free agent

Roberto Luongo: Acquired by trade

To summarize, only 7 out of 16 (less than half) were playing with their original NHL organizations when they earned their first Vezina nomination, and only 2 out of 16 (Vasilevsky and Price), who combined for 5 out of the 30 total nominations in the 10-year period, were both drafted in the first round and still playing for their original teams.

EDIT: So that you can see it a little bit more cleanly, here are those "how were they acquired" bits again in a more organized, easy-to-read way. Again, this includes every goaltender with at least one top-3 Vezina finish in the last decade:

5th overall
19th overall
72nd overall
93rd overall
130th overall
205th overall
258th overall
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
UFA
UFA
UFA

In the last 10 seasons, 16 different goalies have finished top-3 in Vezina voting at least once. Here's who they are, and how their teams acquired them prior to their Vezina finalist season(s):

Connor Hellebucyk: Drafted 130th overall

Andrei Vasilevskiy: Drafted 19th overall

Tuukka Rask: Acquired by trade

Ben Bishop: Acquired by trade (he’s been traded three times in his career and his Vezina nominations have all come with his third and fourth teams)

Robin Lehner: Signed as a free agent

Pekka Rinne: Drafted 258th overall

Sergei Bobrovsky: Acquired by trade

Braden Holtby: Drafted 93rd overall

Carey Price: Drafted 5th overall

Jonathan Quick: Drafted 72nd overall

Devan Dubnyk: Signed as a free agent and traded midseason

Semyon Varlamov: Acquired by trade

Henrik Lundqvist: Drafted 205th overall

Antti Niemi: Signed as free agent

Tim Thomas: Signed as a free agent

Roberto Luongo: Acquired by trade

To summarize, only 7 out of 16 (less than half) were playing with their original NHL organizations when they earned their first Vezina nomination, and only 2 out of 16 (Vasilevsky and Price), who combined for 5 out of the 30 total nominations in the 10-year period, were both drafted in the first round and still playing for their original teams.

EDIT: So that you can see it a little bit more cleanly, here are those "how were they acquired" bits again in a more organized, easy-to-read way. Again, this includes every goaltender with at least one top-3 Vezina finish in the last decade:

5th overall
19th overall
72nd overall
93rd overall
130th overall
205th overall
258th overall
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
UFA
UFA
UFA
- Sven22

Sven, you beautiful beast!!! That was some fantastic legwork. Please keep a copy of this. Do you mind if I copy and re post later? Very impressive

Sven, you beautiful beast!!! That was some fantastic legwork. Please keep a copy of this. Do you mind if I copy and re post later? Very impressive
- Jeremy Laura

Thank you sir. Feel free to repost.

In the last 10 seasons, 16 different goalies have finished top-3 in Vezina voting at least once. Here's who they are, and how their teams acquired them prior to their Vezina finalist season(s):

Connor Hellebucyk: Drafted 130th overall

Andrei Vasilevskiy: Drafted 19th overall

Tuukka Rask: Acquired by trade

Ben Bishop: Acquired by trade (he’s been traded three times in his career and his Vezina nominations have all come with his third and fourth teams)

Robin Lehner: Signed as a free agent

Pekka Rinne: Drafted 258th overall

Sergei Bobrovsky: Acquired by trade

Braden Holtby: Drafted 93rd overall

Carey Price: Drafted 5th overall

Jonathan Quick: Drafted 72nd overall

Devan Dubnyk: Signed as a free agent and traded midseason

Semyon Varlamov: Acquired by trade

Henrik Lundqvist: Drafted 205th overall

Antti Niemi: Signed as free agent

Tim Thomas: Signed as a free agent

Roberto Luongo: Acquired by trade

To summarize, only 7 out of 16 (less than half) were playing with their original NHL organizations when they earned their first Vezina nomination, and only 2 out of 16 (Vasilevsky and Price), who combined for 5 out of the 30 total nominations in the 10-year period, were both drafted in the first round and still playing for their original teams.

EDIT: So that you can see it a little bit more cleanly, here are those "how were they acquired" bits again in a more organized, easy-to-read way. Again, this includes every goaltender with at least one top-3 Vezina finish in the last decade:

5th overall
19th overall
72nd overall
93rd overall
130th overall
205th overall
258th overall
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
Traded
UFA
UFA
UFA
- Sven22

Alright so from time to time goalies who end up playing at elite levels get traded.

Still doesn't change that when an elite goalie pops up you use the pick. He is a generational talent, people just don't recognize it since goalies make them weary.

The Wings need a goalie and this is an elite kid, let everyone else fight over forwards and D-Men, it's time to have a goalie that the fans can cheer for and give them hope and sell Jerseys like Hasek and Osgood.