Those guys you mentioned have nothing to do with the current situation. None were/are 3rd line centers and neither is Grant imo. Cousins is an excellent 4th line guy

Even Rubstov not sure what he is at this point. Frost has to be given a legit shot. His upside trumps Grant by miles.

If they want a stopgap who can produce they are going to have to pay a little; if they look outside. Grant does nothing to help this team. Depends if they want to go f/a or trade route.
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If Frost isn't ready, and you don't go the UFA route, what other internal options are ready for a full-time 3C spot at the NHL level?

If Frost isn't ready, and you don't go the UFA route, what other internal options are ready for a full-time 3C spot at the NHL level?
- jmatchett383

Thats the rub. Up to management to figure out if Frost is a viable candidate. All I am saying is Grant isnt the answer either. So to me if not Frost then they need to look at better options than Grant.

Thats the rub. Up to management to figure out if Frost is a viable candidate. All I am saying is Grant isnt the answer either. So to me if not Frost then they need to look at better options than Grant.
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Okay. Amonst UFA and internal options, who is the best 3C option aside from Frost that can be had for under $1.5M? You said you'd rather have an internal battle for the spot if Grant is the best UFA option (Again, I don't see anyone better in the list), so who else internally do you think realistically can step into a full-time 3C NHL spot?

Now, if Mikko Koivu is willing to sign a deal fort $2M per year, then sure. Other than that, you have guys like Spezza, Ennis, and Nosek leading the charge.

https://www.capfriendly.c...center?signing-status=ufa

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers

Okay. Amonst UFA and internal options, who is the best 3C option aside from Frost that can be had for under $1.5M? You said you'd rather have an internal battle for the spot if Grant is the best UFA option (Again, I don't see anyone better in the list), so who else internally do you think realistically can step into a full-time 3C NHL spot?

Now, if Mikko Koivu is willing to sign a deal fort $2M per year, then sure. Other than that, you have guys like Spezza, Ennis, and Nosek leading the charge.

https://www.capfriendly.c...center?signing-status=ufa

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers
- jmatchett383

Laughton could be the third line center to start the season if NoPA and Frost aren't ready. I would wait to figure it out internally and then add at the deadline if needed. Hopefully NoPa snatches the reigns and doesn't let go.

I prefer Laughton on the wing. But he would do fine at 3C for 10-20 games stretch if needed to start the season.

Okay. Amonst UFA and internal options, who is the best 3C option aside from Frost that can be had for under $1.5M? You said you'd rather have an internal battle for the spot if Grant is the best UFA option (Again, I don't see anyone better in the list), so who else internally do you think realistically can step into a full-time 3C NHL spot?

Now, if Mikko Koivu is willing to sign a deal fort $2M per year, then sure. Other than that, you have guys like Spezza, Ennis, and Nosek leading the charge.

https://www.capfriendly.c...center?signing-status=ufa

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers
- jmatchett383

As I said they will have to pay as none for under that amount more than likely are available. Grant isnt a 3rd line center and your hurting your team by playing him as such. No team is a cup contender with him as your 3rd line center. If you want to make a run then you have to do better than Grant. Do you disagree?

Laughton could be the third line center to start the season if NoPA and Frost aren't ready. I would wait to figure it out internally and then add at the deadline if needed. Hopefully NoPa snatches the reigns and doesn't let go.

I prefer Laughton on the wing. But he would do fine at 3C for 10-20 games stretch if needed to start the season.
- mickel25

I still see Frost having the most success at wing.

I still see Frost having the most success at wing.
- MBFlyerfan

Me too. That is especially true if NoPa is able to play regularly.

As I said they will have to pay as none for under that amount more than likely are available. Grant isnt a 3rd line center and your hurting your team by playing him as such. No team is a cup contender with him as your 3rd line center. If you want to make a run then you have to do better than Grant. Do you disagree?
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I'm not disagreeing. I just don't think there's a better option than him amongst UFAs and I think Frost is the only viable in-house candidate (assuming you keep Giroux and Laughton at wing).

That's my point: saying "we need to upgrade" is one thing. Having the solution of how to upgrade (and not ruin your cap) is another. As an engineer, I hate when people go "we need to fix this" without having a solution. Sometimes there is no perfect solution so you do the best that you can. To me, hoping that a young player with little to no experience can step into a full time role is not the best solution. The best solution would be a healthy Nolan Patrick. Aside from that, getting a capable UFA (not necessarily a perfect or ideal) is probably the safest bet.

11 returning vets at forward and the possibility of 2 or more from:
Patrick
Frost
Sandin
Laczysnki
Bunny

No need to waste cap dollars on bottom 6 vets unless current players are dealt
- BiggE

100%, if one of these guys can’t fill the hole then we vastly overestimated our prospect pool.

I'm not disagreeing. I just don't think there's a better option than him amongst UFAs and I think Frost is the only viable in-house candidate (assuming you keep Giroux and Laughton at wing).

That's my point: saying "we need to upgrade" is one thing. Having the solution of how to upgrade (and not ruin your cap) is another. As an engineer, I hate when people go "we need to fix this" without having a solution. Sometimes there is no perfect solution so you do the best that you can. To me, hoping that a young player with little to no experience can step into a full time role is not the best solution. The best solution would be a healthy Nolan Patrick. Aside from that, getting a capable UFA (not necessarily a perfect or ideal) is probably the safest bet.
- jmatchett383

If they want to upgrade and go outside then it will cost. Options are there; just have to be willing to pay is all.

Well Frost is your blue chip prospect. At what point to you insert him into the lineup? I take Frost all day over Grant. If he proves he cant cut then so be it.

I truly believe Patrick will be back and ready to play. He was practicing with the team and by many accounts would have been in the lineup towards the end of the season to get ready for the playoffs.

The Flyers made the right decision choosing to wait until next season rather than trying to put him in playoff hockey after not playing for an entire year and then some.

As a migraine sufferer, I feel for the kid. But it can and will be overcome. Its not like he is in his 30's. He is 22 years old.

Those talking as if his career over are ignorant.
- MBFlyerfan

Concussion related. Career quite possibly could be over. Or at the least extremely hampered

Okay. Amonst UFA and internal options, who is the best 3C option aside from Frost that can be had for under $1.5M? You said you'd rather have an internal battle for the spot if Grant is the best UFA option (Again, I don't see anyone better in the list), so who else internally do you think realistically can step into a full-time 3C NHL spot?

Now, if Mikko Koivu is willing to sign a deal fort $2M per year, then sure. Other than that, you have guys like Spezza, Ennis, and Nosek leading the charge.

https://www.capfriendly.c...center?signing-status=ufa

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flyers
- jmatchett383

Koivu is cooked. Not worth 2M per year.

If they want to upgrade and go outside then it will cost. Options are there; just have to be willing to pay is all.

Well Frost is your blue chip prospect. At what point to you insert him into the lineup? I take Frost all day over Grant. If he proves he cant cut then so be it.
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If Patrick isn't ready, I'd give Frost a shot. Only thing is, what happens if he's not ready for a full time 3C? Then you have nothing.

In a non-cap world, I agree you go out an pay. But with the flat cap, you are severely limited.

If Patrick isn't ready, I'd give Frost a shot. Only thing is, what happens if he's not ready for a full time 3C? Then you have nothing.

In a non-cap world, I agree you go out an pay. But with the flat cap, you are severely limited.
- jmatchett383

Yes you have likely nothing; that is the chance you take. Short term you insert Laughton or giroux.

Yes flat cap is limited. So a good GM can possibly play his cards right and upgrade over Grant.

Would Galyenchuk maybe be a guy you take a 1 year shot with? What would Brassard or Namesitkov on Colorado ask for? Soderberg? Some of these guys may get squeezed.

Concussion related. Career quite possibly could be over. Or at the least extremely hampered
- SMS4016

ok

Saw a report suggesting BJs may buy out Wennberg. Not saying I’m interested in him but man has his play spoiled that much since the extension?

Yes you have likely nothing; that is the chance you take. Short term you insert Laughton or giroux.

Yes flat cap is limited. So a good GM can possibly play his cards right and upgrade over Grant.

Would Galyenchuk maybe be a guy you take a 1 year shot with? What would Brassard or Namesitkov on Colorado ask for? Soderberg? Some of these guys may get squeezed.
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I have zero interest in Brassard. Soderberg would have to come super cheap, which isn't likely, and doubt he'd sign for 1 year. Same with Galchenyuk, although he had a miserable year.

Out of curiosity, what is your beef with Grant?

I have zero interest in Brassard. Soderberg would have to come super cheap, which isn't likely, and doubt he'd sign for 1 year. Same with Galchenyuk, although he had a miserable year.

Out of curiosity, what is your beef with Grant?
- jmatchett383

He’s slow as hell

Saw a report suggesting BJs may buy out Wennberg. Not saying I’m interested in him but man has his play spoiled that much since the extension?
- arichardson22

82 points in 198 games (.41 PPG) and trending downward since the extension.

He’s slow as hell
- ClaudeFather

No I said Derek Grant, not JvR or Nate Thompson.

The two likeliest to go at Jake and Ghost - book it

No I said Derek Grant, not JvR or Nate Thompson.
- jmatchett383

I’d argue Both are faster than Grant

ok
- MBFlyerfan

It’s ok to think otherwise. But remember it when season starts in December or January and he’s not in lineup. I hope he’s fine I really do. Just think there’s way more to this story. We haven’t been told the truth but it will come out in time

The two likeliest to go at Jake and Ghost - book it
- black_francis

Jake is an extremely tough move with a flat cap, he’s not going anywhere.

I have zero interest in Brassard. Soderberg would have to come super cheap, which isn't likely, and doubt he'd sign for 1 year. Same with Galchenyuk, although he had a miserable year.

Out of curiosity, what is your beef with Grant?
- jmatchett383

Well guys like Soderberg and Gally may not have options of more than 1 year.

Grant is a 4th line center at best is all. Nothing more imo. I also dont think he is that good and has been a bit nhl player for years.