He loses the puck and steals it back lol

In my mind he's trying to bring another Schultz in terms of production.

Sceviour was a guy I (and some here) wanted on the Pens like 4-5 years ago lol I don't know how he's now.
- Barnaby36

I know nothing about him but Marshall and Dom are pretty damning of him. Massive defensive liability.

Take aways from DK's articles on the trade.

-Hornqvist didn't want to leave Pittsburgh
-Matheson potentially may play on the R side since there is a log jam on the left side.
-Matheson is great at forcing takeaways and lead Florida defensemen in this stat.
-Matheson has a bunch of giveaways
-Matheson mostly played PK with Florida and Colton did as well.
-Colton was a PK specialist for Florida and can play center if needed, but JR reports he would be a RW.
-There is a potential that JR is looking to add more offense from our Defenseman which is one big reason for the move.
-It almost seems like JR was surprised that Matheson was available and he seems happy we obtained him.
- 123Kid

I'm interested in the players reactions. If Hornquist didn't want to leave and guys like Crosby and Malkin didn't want him to leave it is going to put a lot of pressure on Matheson.

I know its a different scenario but I considered Hornquist to be part of the core of the team.

That’s what I expect 100%.
People pretend Hörnqvist was a great value @ $5.3M on a 3rd line role (33yo, slow AF and 87/71 running away from playing with him). This trade might work just fine.
- Barnaby36

No one pretends that.

Take aways from DK's articles on the trade.

-Hornqvist didn't want to leave Pittsburgh
-Matheson potentially may play on the R side since there is a log jam on the left side.
-Matheson is great at forcing takeaways and lead Florida defensemen in this stat.
-Matheson has a bunch of giveaways
-Matheson mostly played PK with Florida and Colton did as well.
-Colton was a PK specialist for Florida and can play center if needed, but JR reports he would be a RW.
-There is a potential that JR is looking to add more offense from our Defenseman which is one big reason for the move.
-It almost seems like JR was surprised that Matheson was available and he seems happy we obtained him.
- 123Kid

DK sucks
DK is a sheep for putting out JR bias to keep his access the last few years after being far more neutral previously.
Anyone remember when that female reported outted DK for the sexual advances to have a 3some with him and his wife?
(frank) DK, he argues and insults people in the comments of his site who disagree.

Another case of outbidding himself for players he thinks other GM's will jump all over, but in reality, couldn't care less.
- Rinosaur

I don't really see Hornqvist as an over payment for a potential younger Schultz replacement. He also seems like he can hit like a truck and can clear a net successfully. He also can get under opponents skin. So in theory we lost a 6 million Schultz for a 4.8 million potential Schultz with a little bit more to his game.

I don't really see Hornqvist as an over payment for a potential younger Schultz replacement. He also seems like he can hit like a truck and can clear a net successfully. He also can get under opponents skin. So in theory we lost a 6 million Schultz for a 4.8 million potential Schultz with a little bit more to his game.
- 123Kid

It's a total overpayment. He makes more than Dumo and is a 3rd pairing dman. Sounds like overpaying to me. Not to mention gave up an asset that should have been used to free up cap space to fill a real need, not add LDs when we already had five. Overpayment.

No matter what happens left, the Pens aimed to get younger and faster for next season. By dumping Hornqvist, one of their oldest and slowest skaters, they’re on path to do that, especially considering they’ve dropped the plodding Nick Bjugstad and picked up the speedy Kasperi Kapanen already this off-season.

More deals will come.

No one pretends that.
- j.boyd919

The funny thing is that Barnaby was one of the people always saying we could trade Hornqvist for something good.

I don’t know why everyone’s coming out of the woodwork to defend Rutherford by saying we all thought we’d get something good for Hornqvist when the reality was he was bad value. I think we all knew that. I would have rather kept him than make this trade.

No one pretends that.
- j.boyd919

Pretty sure everyone that hates this trade hated the horny extension the day it was signed lol.

I'm interested in the players reactions. If Hornquist didn't want to leave and guys like Crosby and Malkin didn't want him to leave it is going to put a lot of pressure on Matheson.

I know its a different scenario but I considered Hornquist to be part of the core of the team.
- MacPatty

I guess the thought by JR was that everyone pegs Hornqvist as the leader who would bring energy to the team in the beginning. Following a few years of lifeless play from the players. Also his slight regression in speed and durability. The team felt it was time to move on.

I don't really see Hornqvist as an over payment for a potential younger Schultz replacement. He also seems like he can hit like a truck and can clear a net successfully. He also can get under opponents skin. So in theory we lost a 6 million Schultz for a 4.8 million potential Schultz with a little bit more to his game.
- 123Kid

Please... if you want to argue that his potential to be like Schultz... fine, we can't really fight against that yet. But his contract is (frank)ing monstrous for what is currently an average 3rd pairing D.

It's a total overpayment. He makes more than Dumo and is a 3rd pairing dman. Sounds like overpaying to me. Not to mention gave up an asset that should have been used to free up cap space to fill a real need, not add LDs when we already had five. Overpayment.
- Rinosaur

Cherry picking there Rino. Dumo's contract is one of the best in the league for what he brings.

The funny thing is that Barnaby was one of the people always saying we could trade Hornqvist for something good.

I don’t know why everyone’s coming out of the woodwork to defend Rutherford by saying we all thought we’d get something good for Hornqvist when the reality was he was bad value. I think we all knew that. I would have rather kept him than make this trade.
- Victoro311

While everyone was happy that Hornqvist was remaining a Penguin, everyone was fully aware that the contract handed to keep him was bad and be realized pretty soon into that contract.

Exactly. Next 3 years is what matters now. Hörny wasn’t cutting as 33yo, $5.3M 3rd line winger anymore anyway. If he can’t be on the top 2 lines and play with the speed coaches wanted, no reason to keep him.
- Barnaby36

He was still a 20 goal scorer, for sure overpaid a bit though he was still a key contributer. Fair enough you say no reason to keep him, but its not immediately clear how this makes them better.

I actually think Matheson will do alright for the Pens. Definitely has more upside than Petterson. I just dont know what the plan is... does JR have a trade lined up to move one of our LD or did he just want to make this trade and figure it out?

Cherry picking there Rino. Dumo's contract is one of the best in the league for what he brings.
- Barnaby36

No, Barnaby. It's called logic. He makes more than ALL of the Pens Left-Handed defensemen and is a 3rd pairing defenseman. Regardless of what the market comparison is for Dumoulin, this is piss poor asset management and I think you keep no grasping the idea of what asset management means.

Market price only matters when assessing what you're going to pay a FA or what you get in return for a trade. Everything else is relative to your team's situation: Asset Management. I don't care how good of a value Dumo is, the Pens are overpaying for a 3rd pairing LD when they already have FIVE LDs on the roster. So in Penguinland, they are massively overpaying him.

I'm trying to think of things to put a positive spin on losing Horny this way ...like "no one wanted or thought much of Marino, either"...or "he's only 26, has great wheels and shot"....but its also counteracted with stuff like "he's a black hole on D".

If he ends up being as much of a liability on D as the stats are showing (good chance), then the Pens are f'd if he and JJ are dressed every night. I dont see how any logical person could say otherwise hahaha.

DK sucks
DK is a sheep for putting out JR bias to keep his access the last few years after being far more neutral previously.
Anyone remember when that female reported outted DK for the sexual advances to have a 3some with him and his wife?
(frank) DK, he argues and insults people in the comments of his site who disagree.
- Guile

Beth Mincin, yeah.

And then with Sara Civian he wanted to put her on NBC to do a tv spot about the Pirates. He was asked "Does she know anything about baseball?" and he replied "I don't know but her tits will look great on Channel 11."

He was still a 20 goal scorer, for sure overpaid a bit though he was still a key contributer. Fair enough you say no reason to keep him, but its not immediately clear how this makes them better.

I actually think Matheson will do alright for the Pens. Definitely has more upside than Petterson. I just dont know what the plan is... does JR have a trade lined up to move one of our LD or did he just want to make this trade and figure it out?
- MacPatty

JR doesn't have a plan. He's never had one. He throws poop at walls hoping for something to stick and sometimes it does but more often than not it doesn't.

Please... if you want to argue that his potential to be like Schultz... fine, we can't really fight against that yet. But his contract is (frank)ing monstrous for what is currently an average 3rd pairing D.
- Guile

That's fine to state. I am not happy he is a 3rd pairing d making as much as he is either. JR believes he can play in the top 4 if needed. I think I would rather him with his potential to play in the 3rd pairing then us sign Tanev to a bloated 4-5 million contract for the 3rd pairing. I also believe if we get hit with the injury bug again. That he would get the nod over JJ for a second pairing spot.

No, Barnaby. It's called logic. He makes more than ALL of the Pens Left-Handed defensemen and is a 3rd pairing defenseman. Regardless of what the market comparison is for Dumoulin, this is piss poor asset management and I think you keep no grasping the idea of what asset management means.

Market price only matters when assessing what you're going to pay a FA or what you get in return for a trade. Everything else is relative to your team's situation: Asset Management. I don't care how good of a value Dumo is, the Pens are overpaying for a 3rd pairing LD when they already have FIVE LDs on the roster.
- Rinosaur

You are taking one so-so season from him and declaring he sucks and is a 3rd line D-man. He was a top 4 guy before this year. He was a Team Canada D-man in 2016 and 2017. Watch him play and you'll like how he moves on the ice and his physical/blocking game. I'm banking on JJ leaving that's why I support this acquisition though. My hope is seeing Matheson being our new Schultz.

You are taking one so-so season from him and declaring he sucks and is a 3rd line D-man. He was a top 4 guy before this year. He was a Team Canada D-man in 2016 and 2017. Watch him play and you'll like how he moves on the ice and his physical/blocking game. I'm banking on JJ leaving that's why I support this acquisition though. My hope is seeing Matheson being our new Schultz.
- Barnaby36

I want to see some real mad negative posts from you when JJ is on the opening night roster hahaha

Questions for the smart people here. Thinking about smoking a pork butt this weekend. You guys inject yours? Fat cap up or down? What wood do you like?

Questions for the smart people here. Thinking about smoking a pork butt this weekend. You guys inject yours? Fat cap up or down? What wood do you like?
- Feds91Stammer

Never tried injecting, but fat cap always up. You want those lovely flavors dripping through the meat. With the fat cap down, it just falls away and I feel like you get a drier product.

You are taking one so-so season from him and declaring he sucks and is a 3rd line D-man. He was a top 4 guy before this year. He was a Team Canada D-man in 2016 and 2017. Watch him play and you'll like how he moves on the ice and his physical/blocking game. I'm banking on JJ leaving that's why I support this acquisition though. My hope is seeing Matheson being our new Schultz.
- Barnaby36

You are taking one decent season and declaring him a good defenseman. Lol do you not remember doing this same mental gymnastics routine for the last 2 seasons of JJ?

It's a low tier trade that will have little impact above messing up finances in a couple of years. Hornqvist was no longer all that useful on the ice beyond presence as a third-line quality player who pots a few powerplay goals when given an opportunity. Matheson is a third pairing D with a less than desirable contract but as another user pointed out. Would you rather have a younger(ish) D with the $4.5? or be paying a declining Hornqvist $6m?

I'm guessing on the salaries but the point still stands. Not a great trade but not a dumpster fire deal either.