You're ignoring the clear embellishment. He threw his leg up like a rioter getting mowed down by a F150.
- madmike71

Haha okay. Maybe go get a snack. You seem awfully riled up over that call.

The Tampa pp just killing them. Mofo’s

JR had an interview with Madden yesterday. He said Matheson is going to start on the 3rd pairing, but he expects him to move into the top 4 after a little bit of adjusting and coaching.

The most interesting tidbits. Is he listed Dumolin, Pettersson, and Matheson as our LHD if we were playing a game tonight. When Madden asked about JJ not being mentioned. JR stated “Well it means he either has to go and play the right side or he wouldn’t be in the lineup”. He declined that he is going to trade one of our top LHD (Dumolin or Pettersson). Essentially said he wouldn't even entertain the idea.

He also spoke highly of Ruhwedel. He said he believes he is capable of playing the 6th spot and the only reason he sometimes doesn't play up to his ability is because he is on the bench for months at a time. He spoke highly of a lot of our prospects making the jump for NHL time.


He talked about being control of our cap space and not being worried, but did state he didn't think we could resign Murray and/or Simon. Which is the first time hearing Simon mentioned which has me to believe he will be traded

Prospects mentioned: Poulin, POJ (who can play the both the left and right side of defense), Cam Lee (who can also play either side), and Drew O'Connor. Also being highlighted by writers after the interview in Pittsburgh is that JR is trying to make the team younger and JJ doesn't fit that bill.

Prospects mentioned: Poulin, POJ (who can play the both the left and right side of defense), Cam Lee (who can also play either side), and Drew O'Connor.
- 123Kid

Yea I think the best shots to make the team forward wise are Poulin and O'Conner. Idk with POJ now that we added Matheson, unless he actually can play the Right.

He also spoke highly of Ruhwedel. He said he believes he is capable of playing the 6th spot and the only reason he sometimes doesn't play up to his ability is because he is on the bench for months at a time. He spoke highly of a lot of our prospects making the jump for NHL time.


He talked about being control of our cap space and not being worried, but did state he didn't think we could resign Murray and/or Simon. Which is the first time hearing Simon mentioned which has me to believe he will be traded
- 123Kid

Well, Simon only made $750K, so how much can his qualifying offer be? I find it hard to believe they can't afford to resign him. They will have to sign another player for essentially the same cost to fill out the bottom six.

JR had an interview with Madden yesterday. He said Matheson is going to start on the 3rd pairing, but he expects him to move into the top 4 after a little bit of adjusting and coaching.

The most interesting tidbits. Is he listed Dumolin, Pettersson, and Matheson as our LHD if we were playing a game tonight. When Madden asked about JJ not being mentioned. JR stated “Well it means he either has to go and play the right side or he wouldn’t be in the lineup”. He declined that he is going to trade one of our top LHD (Dumolin or Pettersson). Essentially said he wouldn't even entertain the idea.
- 123Kid

So, do we think JR dangled Horny and FLA came calling or did JR pursue Matheson? I think the first scenario is the most likely.

He also spoke highly of Ruhwedel. He said he believes he is capable of playing the 6th spot and the only reason he sometimes doesn't play up to his ability is because he is on the bench for months at a time. He spoke highly of a lot of our prospects making the jump for NHL time.


He talked about being control of our cap space and not being worried, but did state he didn't think we could resign Murray and/or Simon. Which is the first time hearing Simon mentioned which has me to believe he will be traded
- 123Kid

I wish JR had the same feelings toward Riikola, especially before this trade.

Well, Simon only made $750K, so how much can his qualifying offer be? I find it hard to believe they can't afford to resign him. They will have to sign another player for essentially the same cost to fill out the bottom six.
- Hockey66

I think I heard Simon wants to get 3 million per year. Similar to the Sheary deal (because his agent is pushing him as a top 6 winger)

I think I heard Simon wants to get 3 million per year. Similar to the Sheary deal (because his agent is pushing him as a top 6 winger)
- 123Kid

Ok, well, that's an easy decision then. One less player with hands of stone is fine by me.

Ok, well, that's an easy decision then. One less player with hands of stone is fine by me.
- Hockey66

Agreed!

I do wonder if JR pulls off the miracle trade and gets something for JJ. I guess time will tell

That tough guy Maroon just basically scored the winner.
- Grinder47

I know I want Maroon for our new net front guy.

I know I want Maroon for our new net front guy.
- Tojo.

maroon blueger sceviour wow?

I do wonder if JR pulls off the miracle trade and gets something for JJ. I guess time will tell
- 123Kid

I guess it depends on your definition of "something"

JR had an interview with Madden yesterday. He said Matheson is going to start on the 3rd pairing, but he expects him to move into the top 4 after a little bit of adjusting and coaching.

The most interesting tidbits. Is he listed Dumolin, Pettersson, and Matheson as our LHD if we were playing a game tonight. When Madden asked about JJ not being mentioned. JR stated “Well it means he either has to go and play the right side or he wouldn’t be in the lineup”. He declined that he is going to trade one of our top LHD (Dumolin or Pettersson). Essentially said he wouldn't even entertain the idea.
- 123Kid

I heard the second paragraph but not the first.

Having a little more time to digest the trade, the Schultz comparison is pretty close. Both are puck moving defensemen used a lot against elites when they shouldn't have been. Matheson is more prone to give aways and dumb mistakes while Schultz was worse at pushing play because he never did anything to get the puck back defensively.

So if I had an offensive defenseman who makes bad decisions and is generally neutral at driving play (outside of 2018-19 which was a huge disaster but may be an outlier), Marino would make a lot of sense as a partner.

Granted I didn't like Schultz and wouldn't have put myself in this situation, but if you want to minimize Matheson's weaknesses, Marino would help him spend more time on offense and clean up some of his mistakes (as Dumoulin does for Letang). That and better deployment maybe works ok?

He also spoke highly of Ruhwedel. He said he believes he is capable of playing the 6th spot and the only reason he sometimes doesn't play up to his ability is because he is on the bench for months at a time. He spoke highly of a lot of our prospects making the jump for NHL time.


He talked about being control of our cap space and not being worried, but did state he didn't think we could resign Murray and/or Simon. Which is the first time hearing Simon mentioned which has me to believe he will be traded
- 123Kid

Some of the beat guys have been hinting Simon might not be qualified either. I have no idea how he'd do in arbitration as he's a unique player. For me, the moment he stops being cheap, he's gone.

Prospects mentioned: Poulin, POJ (who can play the both the left and right side of defense), Cam Lee (who can also play either side), and Drew O'Connor. Also being highlighted by writers after the interview in Pittsburgh is that JR is trying to make the team younger and JJ doesn't fit that bill.
- 123Kid

Thanks for posting all this BTW.

I've never heard POJ can play the right side. Curious because I don't believe he did in WBS and they were short on RHDs this year. I think I need to see this one to believe it.

I heard the second paragraph but not the first.

Having a little more time to digest the trade, the Schultz comparison is pretty close. Both are puck moving defensemen used a lot against elites when they shouldn't have been. Matheson is more prone to give aways and dumb mistakes while Schultz was worse at pushing play because he never did anything to get the puck back defensively.

So if I had an offensive defenseman who makes bad decisions and is generally neutral at driving play (outside of 2018-19 which was a huge disaster but may be an outlier), Marino would make a lot of sense as a partner.

Granted I didn't like Schultz and wouldn't have put myself in this situation, but if you want to minimize Matheson's weaknesses, Marino would help him spend more time on offense and clean up some of his mistakes (as Dumoulin does for Letang). That and better deployment maybe works ok?
- Tojo.

Isn't it funny we're talking about a 23 year old with less than a year of experience as the responsible one, covering for his partner's mistakes? I agree with the logic behind it. I also think Petts would do a lot better in a 3rd pairing role (and maybe he becomes the one who helps his partner out).

I think JR is setting it up for Pettersson to be Seattle's target. I do have a strong feeling JJ, Murray, and Simon are all gone within the next 10-14 days. I still feel Jake Virtanen should be a target for JR now with Hornqvist gone.

I guess it depends on your definition of "something"
- Hockey66

A pile of poop will work fine for me

I heard the second paragraph but not the first.

Having a little more time to digest the trade, the Schultz comparison is pretty close. Both are puck moving defensemen used a lot against elites when they shouldn't have been. Matheson is more prone to give aways and dumb mistakes while Schultz was worse at pushing play because he never did anything to get the puck back defensively.

So if I had an offensive defenseman who makes bad decisions and is generally neutral at driving play (outside of 2018-19 which was a huge disaster but may be an outlier), Marino would make a lot of sense as a partner.

Granted I didn't like Schultz and wouldn't have put myself in this situation, but if you want to minimize Matheson's weaknesses, Marino would help him spend more time on offense and clean up some of his mistakes (as Dumoulin does for Letang). That and better deployment maybe works ok?
- Tojo.

I think Matheson could be a pretty functional bottom pairing defenseman on this team if things break right for him and he meshes into our system. My sticking point is his cap hit. Even if we manage to trade Johnson, a bottom pairing defenseman being paid that much is a poison pill. And that forward we got is garbage. The cap/asset management this offseason has just been really bad which was something we really couldn’t afford.

Is anyone besides Kingerski reporting Hornqvist tossed all his Penguins gear out on the driveway to show how angry he was about this trade and how it went down.

I think Matheson could be a pretty functional bottom pairing defenseman on this team if things break right for him and he meshes into our system. My sticking point is his cap hit. Even if we manage to trade Johnson, a bottom pairing defenseman being paid that much is a poison pill. And that forward we got is garbage. The cap/asset management this offseason has just been really bad which was something we really couldn’t afford.
- Victoro311

To be clear I'm still not a fan. Offensive defensemen who don't drive play have little value to me.

And yeah they still haven't improved that 3rd line while losing Hornqvist and possibly Simon. Agree the forward won't help, so I don't know what the plan is, hope 2 prospects can play on the 3rd line? Bump up Tanev and break up the 4th line?