it could work.

Mrazek and Campbell split starts


Muzzin - Pietrangelo
Rielly - Pesce
Sandin - Holl
Lehtonen
- PatC80

The best comparable I can think of would be Ryan Suter who, decidedly, isn't a "freak of nature" and his play hasn't declined one bit at 35.

Pietrangelo is better than Suter and he's only 30. Why are we so concerned about a possible decline? We can argue whether he's comparable to the list you gave but the point should be taken: elite D who play big minutes don't necessarily decline until their late 30s.

He's a total stud and has lead his team to a Cup. No reason he couldn't do it again.
- mjones242

Except guys like Chara are exceptions to the norm, not the norm.

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2...ursuing-alex-pietrangelo/

Except guys like Chara are exceptions to the norm, not the norm.

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2...ursuing-alex-pietrangelo/
- joel878

I’m willing to risk Rogers’ and Bell’s money on seeing if Pietrangelo is also an exception.

I’m pretty sure he’s going to have to leave money on the table to play here. I don’t think that’s going to happen. The scenario seems very different than JT who seemed reluctant to leave NYI. I get the impression that Pietrangelo does want to test the waters or even if he initially wanted to stay now that it didn’t work out, he’ll see what he can get.

I can see Toronto “getting points” for being home and all that but it won’t be the deciding factor.
- Canada Cup

Still a long shot for sure. I certainly don't want him at 11 mill. I was basing everything on him getting 8.5-9, which still seems low. However I don't think there will be as many bidders as normal this off season for a player of his calibre.

*wonders why everybody loves Campbell...*

*wonders why everybody loves Campbell...*
- AdamFrench

He’s not Hutch

Except guys like Chara are exceptions to the norm, not the norm.

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2...ursuing-alex-pietrangelo/
- joel878

"This isn't a scientific look"

I’m willing to risk Rogers’ and Bell’s money on seeing if Pietrangelo is also an exception.
- Steven_Seagull

I could give a poop about their money, I care about my money and to a higher degree if spending to watch the leafs barely tread water for another chunk of years is the outcome. 😩

Draft Schneider. Sign Pietrangelo. Trade Nylander (or Marner).
- Steven_Seagull

No

this
- PatC80

Seconded!

"This isn't a scientific look"
- AdamFrench

Alright. So let's have the major takeaway be the 16 defenseman he's got there who we can more than likely agree have been Pietrangelos 'tier' of player, and use the eye test on how thats working out these days.

I'd struggle to pick any of those guys who I'd want to be in year one of a 7 year deal to pay him 8-9 million a year, right now.

EDIT : year one at 30. Aside from Hedman. 🤣

No
- Zezel

Yes

Alright. So let's have the major takeaway be the 16 defenseman he's got there who we can more than likely agree have been Pietrangelos 'tier' of player, and use the eye test on how thats working out these days.

I'd struggle to pick any of those guys who I'd want to be in year one of a 7 year deal to pay him 8-9 million a year, right now.
- joel878

Doughty/Keith/Letang/Gio/Suter/Hedman/Weber are the guys I think on that list that he's in the group of two-way top pairing guys who bring it at both ends. He's obviously nowhere close to the offensive ability of the Carlson's/Karlsson's/Burns'/Subban's (before his poop year)/Yandle's and he's not a "defensive defenseman" like Vlasic or Seabrook (both of whom can't seem to skate/survive these days sadly. Big Buff is an anomaly and has no comps.

Some of those guys (not named Hedman) are still legitimate top pairing two-way defensemen even now. Keith is probably the worst of the lot and he's still a quality number 2 at his age. It's about getting over the hump if they got him, if they don't, well it's no big deal, it'll just take more time.

What if we offered Pietrangelo $6M X 7 years, and explicitly told him that the team, fans and media would look the other way while he bullied Marner for $2M in lunch money every year?

He’s not Hutch
- Steven_Seagull

Doughty/Keith/Letang/Gio/Suter/Hedman/Weber are the guys I think on that list that he's in the group of two-way top pairing guys who bring it at both ends. He's obviously nowhere close to the offensive ability of the Carlson's/Karlsson's/Burns'/Subban's (before his poop year)/Yandle's and he's not a "defensive defenseman" like Vlasic or Seabrook (both of whom can't seem to skate/survive these days sadly. Big Buff is an anomaly and has no comps.

Some of those guys (not named Hedman) are still legitimate top pairing two-way defensemen even now. Keith is probably the worst of the lot and he's still a quality number 2 at his age. It's about getting over the hump if they got him, if they don't, well it's no big deal, it'll just take more time.
- AdamFrench

$9M for the next two years.

And the funny part is the Devils are probably OK with it, because it will get them to the cap floor.

That's a lot of ouchie.

Except guys like Chara are exceptions to the norm, not the norm.

http://faceoffcircle.ca/2...ursuing-alex-pietrangelo/
- joel878

The fundamental flaw to this article, which I read earlier today, are some of the comparison defenders he's using to try to find a suitable median.

Subban? Yandle? Carlson? Big Buff? These players shouldn't be used for seed data when trying to compare how a player like AP will age.

Suter, I think, is the perfect comparable.

What if we offered Pietrangelo $6M X 7 years, and explicitly told him that the team, fans and media would look the other way while he bullied Marner for $2M in lunch money every year?
- Atomic Wedgie

If we wanted to get really creative - give him a 2 year deal at 9 million per and let him rack up whatever endorsements he can in TO.

Then he's going into FA when things have become normalized and some moron team can give him 10 million x 7.

Everybody wins. (Unless Pietro blows his knee out)

Doughty/Keith/Letang/Gio/Suter/Hedman/Weber are the guys I think on that list that he's in the group of two-way top pairing guys who bring it at both ends. He's obviously nowhere close to the offensive ability of the Carlson's/Karlsson's/Burns'/Subban's (before his poop year)/Yandle's and he's not a "defensive defenseman" like Vlasic or Seabrook (both of whom can't seem to skate/survive these days sadly. Big Buff is an anomaly and has no comps.

Some of those guys (not named Hedman) are still legitimate top pairing two-way defensemen even now. Keith is probably the worst of the lot and he's still a quality number 2 at his age. It's about getting over the hump if they got him, if they don't, well it's no big deal, it'll just take more time.
- AdamFrench

Gio won the Norris last year at age 35.

What if we offered Pietrangelo $6M X 7 years, and explicitly told him that the team, fans and media would look the other way while he bullied Marner for $2M in lunch money every year?
- Atomic Wedgie

I sleep a little better knowing that MM (and JT and AM) had to cut a cheque back to the league (escrow) for about 3 milly. Next year too.

Yes, I'm shallow.

And no they didn't actually write the cheques but the 20% escrow did cost them all about 3 million this year.

You know what the jury is still out on? Kapanen necessarily being worth more than the 15 overall pick.

That remains to be seen.
- mjones242

interesting to see who Mike will go with the HB mock draft

I’m willing to risk Rogers’ and Bell’s money on seeing if Pietrangelo is also an exception.
- Steven_Seagull

here comes an increase to my internet bill

interesting to see who Mike will go with the HB mock draft
- dmnted

he will look a Button's draft list and pick accordingly.

The fundamental flaw to this article, which I read earlier today, are some of the comparison defenders he's using to try to find a suitable median.

Subban? Yandle? Carlson? Big Buff? These players shouldn't be used for seed data when trying to compare how a player like AP will age.

Suter, I think, is the perfect comparable.
- mjones242

I don't think the comparison is made in that he's looking for comparable players. He's looking at players who play comparable minutes against top flight competition, and where they seem to peak/drop off.

Yes, a guy like Giordano just won a Norris. Hedman is a stud and doesn't look to be slowing down. Yes, guys like doughty, suter, Keith aren't exactly waiver fodder right now...

The question that's left is how many of those guys would you prefer to be tied to in year one of a 7 year deal for big money, knowing the comparables minutes/level of competition wise seem to have a large history of downward play from that point on, because that's not really up for debate.

It would be a stretch to say anyone on that list outside of Giordano was better at 30-35 than they were at 27-30. Hedman and Carlson get passes there...

No
- Zezel

Draft Schneider yes well if he's still on the board