Went from a plus player his entire career to a minus player the past 3 years. BUt I know very little.
- bixll

+/- is a terrible statistic.

If you look at some advanced stats they haven't really moved at all over the past number of years. He's very consistent -- much like AP.

Umm... he was on track for his statistically best offensive season ever.
- mjones242

Ummmm, by 1 point. He is 35 with 5 years left at 7.5 (frank) no..

he could trade holl for Mcdavid and he would complain the leafs dont need anymore forwards
- senstroll

He's a true, irrational contrarian.

how much bettter defensively is letang over rielly?

duncan keith had brian campbell to shoulder the load in their 1st cup run. and the good version of seabrook later.

rielly looked to me like he was playing hurt a lot of the year last year. looked great with a reliable hainsey. maybe a guy like tanev is all we need to complete the top pair.
- Tumbleweed

Letang is pretty bad defensively..

I agree though, I think a guy like Pesce, instead of Tanev, would be better suited to play with Rielly.. We do need the defensive depth more than just one guy..

+/- is a terrible statistic.

If you look at some advanced stats they haven't really moved at all over the past number of years. He's very consistent -- much like AP.
- mjones242

I think you are wrong. that is my opinion.

how much bettter defensively is letang over rielly?

duncan keith had brian campbell to shoulder the load in their 1st cup run. and the good version of seabrook later.

rielly looked to me like he was playing hurt a lot of the year last year. looked great with a reliable hainsey. maybe a guy like tanev is all we need to complete the top pair.
- Tumbleweed

I imagine that's the type of debate that's playing out in the Leafs war room.

Escrow Pat ....escrow. No front loading for the next two years.
- The Law

dang it... You're right.. Have to find other ways to manipulate the system

Ummmm, by 1 point. He is 35 with 5 years left at 7.5 (frank) no..
- bixll

He was tracking towards 57 points if he played a full season.

I'm not suggesting the Leafs actually try to acquire Ryan Suter! I'm using him as a close comparable to what AP is and how Petro might age.

Signing Pietrangelo means that they would need to move assets to get him
- PatC80

Yes - But you are moving those assets (hopefully) for picks/prospects and depth players.

My point is sign Pietrangelo and trade Nylander for picks/prospects is a better option than trading Nylander straight up for a lesser defenseman.

I think you are wrong. that is my opinion.
- bixll

Fair.

I think Keith was better defensively than people give him credit for.. I hope Rielly can be at Keith's level, but with that said, even Keith needed a solid, reliable partner to play with.

So, maybe getting someone like a Pesce would be beneficial to Rielly's game?
- PatC80

He's been my guy all along.

Although it sounds like the Canes' have shut that down.

Yes - But you are moving those assets (hopefully) for picks/prospects and depth players.

My point is sign Pietrangelo and trade Nylander for picks/prospects is a better option than trading Nylander straight up for a lesser defenseman.
- Leafs43

I think Keith was better defensively than people give him credit for.. I hope Rielly can be at Keith's level, but with that said, even Keith needed a solid, reliable partner to play with.

So, maybe getting someone like a Pesce would be beneficial to Rielly's game?
- PatC80

keith was better defensively.

but rielly brings more offense.

Draft Schneider. Sign Pietrangelo. Trade Nylander (or Marner).

He's been my guy all along.

Although it sounds like the Canes' have shut that down.
- The Law

Andersen and Nylander to Carolina for Mrazek and Pesce... then sign AP

Yes - But you are moving those assets (hopefully) for picks/prospects and depth players.

My point is sign Pietrangelo and trade Nylander for picks/prospects is a better option than trading Nylander straight up for a lesser defenseman.
- Leafs43

Someone who gets it!

I think you are wrong. that is my opinion.
- bixll

i think people give it to much weight and meaning...about how good/bad a player is in regards to defense

Andersen and Nylander to Carolina for Mrazek and Pesce... then sign AP
- PatC80

You slut! Love it.

Draft Schneider. Sign Pietrangelo. Trade Nylander (or Marner).
- Steven_Seagull

Would like to see the Leafs move up in the draft order somehow and draft Askarov.

Schneider does look promising though.

Interesting look at AP and the leafs

https://twitter.com/JeffV.../1308439203215269888?s=19
- Fakepartofme

Jeff Veillette not liking the idea makes me like it more.

keith was better defensively.

but rielly brings more offense.
- Tumbleweed

Right..

Now, if Rielly could be better defensively maybe then he would be considered a true #1 D

Would like to see the Leafs move up in the draft order somehow and draft Askarov.

Schneider does look promising though.
- mjones242

Askarov first. Sanderson second. Schneider third.

Right..

Now, if Rielly could be better defensively maybe then he would be considered a true #1 D
- PatC80

He’s already 26... he’s not gonna get better defensively. Best to get him a partner who is good defensively to cover for him.

You slut! Love it.
- Steven_Seagull

it could work.

Mrazek and Campbell split starts


Muzzin - Pietrangelo
Rielly - Pesce
Sandin - Holl
Lehtonen

Askarov first. Sanderson second. Schneider third.
- Steven_Seagull

this