Honestly we can badger about trade this guy sign that guy till we ate all blue in the face. We arent going to have clue one till it happens. Dubas and co dont leak all that much really.

So lots of hot air an pissing an moaning and end result?! Sit an wait and hope we do SOMETHING to improve the team
- Roadrunner75

The buyout window begins in 3 days (I think). That should get things started in terms of teams having to make decisions and teams waiting to see who might fall onto the market.

Have to be top 5
- RogerRoeper

interesting

Not sure about the whole list, but Marner - Tavares taking on most of the other teams big lines. ( 2018-2019 )

Not sure about this year with injuries etc.
- Garnie

obviously willy scored most with super soft minutes, that pretty much any player could do

nashville is a team that seems to have multiple options to work out a deal.

something like ellis and stuff for nylander and things could work.

they also have tolaven, both this year's and next year's 1st and a 2 2nd this year.

if you can get nylander for tolaven, a 1st, a 2nd and sign AP than the team is in a better position than it was.

cap space is an asset. i don't see many other teams out there that can take on nylander without sending a contract back.
- Tumbleweed

Even Nashville with 8 million or so in space has only 10 forwards signed and has Saros, Fabbro, and Santini for RFA's.

They would have the means to make it work sending a salary like Ellis back... But to trade for a player like Nylander for picks and prospects... It's tight...

And this is if ownership is still telling them to spend to the cap.

obviously willy scored most with super soft minutes, that pretty much any player could do
- senstroll

Pretty much

Even Nashville with 8 million or so in space has only 10 forwards signed and has Saros, Fabbro, and Santini for RFA's.

They would have the means to make it work sending a salary like Ellis back... But to trade for a player like Nylander for picks and prospects... It's tight...

And this is if ownership is still telling them to spend to the cap.
- joel878

I think Nashville might be done experimenting with external forwards Well...gunslinger Poile might not be, but their owner probably is.

Nashville pays the most for forwards in the NHL and can't score.

Nashville pays the most for forwards in the NHL and can't score.
- RogerRoeper

We should have learned from them.

nashville is a team that seems to have multiple options to work out a deal.

something like ellis and stuff for nylander and things could work.

they also have tolaven, both this year's and next year's 1st and a 2 2nd this year.

if you can get nylander for tolaven, a 1st, a 2nd and sign AP than the team is in a better position than it was.

cap space is an asset. i don't see many other teams out there that can take on nylander without sending a contract back.
- Tumbleweed

Coincidentally a team often rumoured to be asking about Nylander was the Blues. Apparently Tarasenko's long term health is a wild card next year and beyond.

Were they to split with AP and the Leafs to sign AP I could see them being interested.

Maybe Thomas (young winger with upside and a cheap ELC) plus picks.

Even Nashville with 8 million or so in space has only 10 forwards signed and has Saros, Fabbro, and Santini for RFA's.

They would have the means to make it work sending a salary like Ellis back... But to trade for a player like Nylander for picks and prospects... It's tight...

And this is if ownership is still telling them to spend to the cap.
- joel878

i see all there rfa's as signed? nylander would be the 11 F and has a reasonable salary. tight fit to add a couple more forwards.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/predators

but maybe there is no deal to be made to make room for AP. i'd be okay with that.

i can't see how we sign AP without moving out one of the big 4. and i think in a cap world we'd be better off shedding one of the big 4, not adding or staying flat.

The buyout window begins in 3 days (I think). That should get things started in terms of teams having to make decisions and teams waiting to see who might fall onto the market.
- The Law

Yep

25th to Oct 8

Coincidentally a team often rumoured to be asking about Nylander was the Blues. Apparently Tarasenko's long term health is a wild card next year and beyond.

Were they to split with AP and the Leafs to sign AP I could see them being interested.

Maybe Thomas (young winger with upside and a cheap ELC) plus picks.
- The Law

Tarasenko going down didn’t help their cup run that’s for sure, or my pool

i see all there rfa's as signed? nylander would be the 11 F and has a reasonable salary. tight fit to add a couple more forwards.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/predators

but maybe there is no deal to be made to make room for AP. i'd be okay with that.

i can't see how we sign AP without moving out one of the big 4. and i think in a cap world we'd be better off shedding one of the big 4, not adding or staying flat.
- Tumbleweed

My bad, you're correct on the RFA's. I was looking at next year. 🤣

Tarasenko going down didn’t help their cup run that’s for sure, or my pool
- Garnie

Hope his shoulder recovers. He's getting into Buston Glassthews levels of shoulder weakness.

Im gonna let the rest of it die... Well.. Because there's just no sense in going on about it.

I will tackle the Willie thing though.

So if a guy like Pierre Lebrun is saying it's essentially useless shopping money right now because no one will even take the 2-3 million guys like Kerfoot and Johnsson are making right now... Where exactly are the Leafs selling Nylander off with his 2.5 million and added kicker of having a 7 million dollar cap hit... Without taking some salary back? Who are these teams that can absorb that cap hit outright?

And no, I don't think Nylander is useless. He's a valuable commodity with or without his contract. It's just every single thing out there is saying it's impossible to trade guys with literally half the caphit Willie has right now outright. Even if it was possible to move that money right now, would the leafs even get fair value?

Ignoring what these guys are saying and pushing the idea that it's easily done because you say so isn't exactly something I'm going to jump all over...
- joel878

I'm not "ignoring" him, but I do think Pierre Lebrun is wrong in his assessment of the situation. I think he's wrong that teams won't consider trading for Kerf and/or AJ. The Leafs just managed to trade Kapanen and potentially won't have to take a cap hit as a result (though they may choose to re-sign Rodrigues).

Per Nylander, a quick glance at CapFriendly shows a number of teams are currently beneath the cap floor. Plenty of potential suitors who may want the cap hit but not the salary hit. EDIT: lest we forget 3-way trades can happen where other teams can take back smaller contracts to facilitate deals. Plenty of creative ways to get things done.

If you don't want to "jump all over" my position, that's fine. I mean, I'm hurt, but I'll get over it. Cheers!

Honestly we can badger about trade this guy sign that guy till we ate all blue in the face. We arent going to have clue one till it happens. Dubas and co dont leak all that much really.

So lots of hot air an pissing an moaning and end result?! Sit an wait and hope we do SOMETHING to improve the team
- Roadrunner75

I prefer hot air -- it's a cure for boredom.

I'm not "ignoring" him, but I do think Pierre Lebrun is wrong in his assessment of the situation. I think he's wrong that teams won't consider trading for Kerf and/or AJ. The Leafs just managed to trade Kapanen and potentially won't have to take a cap hit as a result (though they may choose to re-sign Rodrigues).

Per Nylander, a quick glance at CapFriendly shows a number of teams are currently beneath the cap floor. Plenty of potential suitors who may want the cap hit but not the salary hit.

If you don't want to "jump all over" my position, that's fine. I mean, I'm hurt, but I'll get over it. Cheers!
- mjones242

it only affects the leafs tho, and no other teams in the NHL

The media always wants to shove doom and gloom at the Leafs. It sells.

They just got a great return for Kapanen. It's forgotten already...

Holy (frank), my Border Collie is terrible as well but draws the line at meat, cheese or grass.
- winsix

I have a st. bernard. She'll eat pretty much anything but thankfully doesn't go on the counters for anything.

marcus johanssen? i still don't get that trade.

how was buffalo not on staal's no-trade list?

how the (frank) didn't we outbid buffalo there by offering johnsson? would have been a perfect 3c for us.
- Tumbleweed

Why would we trade a young player for an old one.
Havent we learned from doing that all those years in the past?

The media always wants to shove doom and gloom at the Leafs. It sells.

They just got a great return for Kapanen. It's forgotten already...
- RogerRoeper

Let me guess... You're sick of leaf contracts getting bad press, something about if it was Florida they'd be fine LOL.

The media always wants to shove doom and gloom at the Leafs. It sells.

They just got a great return for Kapanen. It's forgotten already...
- RogerRoeper

It isn't a 'great return'.
Kapanen is worth more than that 15th overall, and the prospect might never make it to NHL. So the jury is still out on that trade

It isn't a 'great return'.
Kapanen is worth more than that 15th overall, and the prospect might never make it to NHL. So the jury is still out on that trade
- MaximusAurelius

That prospect is doing as good as Kapanen did as a prospect hmself. And please, no one is giving you anything better than 15th overall for a 1 time 40 point player.


Your varying opinions on Kapanen and Nylander are hilarious.

It isn't a 'great return'.
Kapanen is worth more than that 15th overall, and the prospect might never make it to NHL. So the jury is still out on that trade
- MaximusAurelius

I think you are in a minority of people (aside from Islanders and Nucks trolls) who think the Leafs didn't get a very good return on Kapanen. 15th pick in an expected very good draft, a decent prospect and $3.2M of cap space. Leafs did ok IMO

Hope his shoulder recovers. He's getting into Buston Glassthews levels of shoulder weakness.
- AdamFrench

From what I've read he might be out for some time.