Smart
- Fakepartofme

In some cases, sure. In other cases, which may be few, it's smart to lock up a guy with an NMC who you likely would never want to part with.

Dubious is a stable genius, he will make miracles that NONE of you are expecting. Just got to believe!

Dubious is a stable genius, he will make miracles that NONE of you are expecting. Just got to believe!
- Symba007

In a couple of months, the Leafs' cap problems will just magically go away!

I never suggested that Pierre Lebrun is sitting in his basement on his laptop just throwing stuff around. I'm saying that there's no (frank)ing way Lebrun knows a thing about the Leafs plans on Alex Pietrangelo. None. It's pure speculation.

The Leafs can't let any info out on AP for risk of getting severely fined/punished.

Willie can certainly be traded for draft picks and other assets. Are you suggesting that trading him has to see the Leafs getting NHL ready players in return?

Dude, I'm going to ignore the ad hominem and just suggest this for you: we fundamentally disagree on Petro and what moves the Leafs can make. I don't think there's anything I've said that is "absurd", but sure -- you're welcome to assert your opinion that I'm AA-like in my posiitons.

You can choose to engage with me or not. I just find that I disagree with a lot of your opinions which you seem to regurgitate on a daily basis. To be fair, I obviously feel it necessary to regurgitate my own theories in response. Nobody is perfect.
- mjones242

Im gonna let the rest of it die... Well.. Because there's just no sense in going on about it.

I will tackle the Willie thing though.

So if a guy like Pierre Lebrun is saying it's essentially useless shopping money right now because no one will even take the 2-3 million guys like Kerfoot and Johnsson are making right now... Where exactly are the Leafs selling Nylander off with his 2.5 million and added kicker of having a 7 million dollar cap hit... Without taking some salary back? Who are these teams that can absorb that cap hit outright?

And no, I don't think Nylander is useless. He's a valuable commodity with or without his contract. It's just every single thing out there is saying it's impossible to trade guys with literally half the caphit Willie has right now outright. Even if it was possible to move that money right now, would the leafs even get fair value?

Ignoring what these guys are saying and pushing the idea that it's easily done because you say so isn't exactly something I'm going to jump all over...

I never suggested that Pierre Lebrun is sitting in his basement on his laptop just throwing stuff around. I'm saying that there's no (frank)ing way Lebrun knows a thing about the Leafs plans on Alex Pietrangelo. None. It's pure speculation.

The Leafs can't let any info out on AP for risk of getting severely fined/punished.

Willie can certainly be traded for draft picks and other assets. Are you suggesting that trading him has to see the Leafs getting NHL ready players in return?

Dude, I'm going to ignore the ad hominem and just suggest this for you: we fundamentally disagree on Petro and what moves the Leafs can make. I don't think there's anything I've said that is "absurd", but sure -- you're welcome to assert your opinion that I'm AA-like in my posiitons.

You can choose to engage with me or not. I just find that I disagree with a lot of your opinions which you seem to regurgitate on a daily basis. To be fair, I obviously feel it necessary to regurgitate my own theories in response. Nobody is perfect.
- mjones242

Perhaps, a lot of people would really like Pietrangelo to sign with the Leafs, but are not sure how to feel about it, if it means we lose Nylander...

Or is that just me?

Dubious is a stable genius, he will make miracles that NONE of you are expecting. Just got to believe!
- Symba007

leafs actually made the playoffs, A+ season

I think they can move MAF if they retain salary or attach a 1st rd pick to a deal
- PatC80

seems like it should cost a 1st or good prospect to move him.

i wonder if they would be willing to put Glass on the table to move him.

the nhl is in the same boat has anyone else. it's very difficult to plan with any amount of certainty much more than 2 months ahead.

they'll use as much time as they can before finalizing a schedule. makes no sense to put anything in stone early.
- Tumbleweed

Bettman said exactly that in a presser last weekend.

You gotta love the snide SOB - he couldn't resist pointing out that he got considerable heat for not naming the bubble cities earlier - and he was proven right to hold off until the last moment.

I know I'm the only one on earth, but I love the Bettman.

leafs actually made the playoffs, A+ season
- TheMussel

Everything is coming up Milhouse for Dubious

Leafs should target Leddy.
He'd be a good add to Leafs top4 D.
Islanders can take Dermott and his speedo.
- MaximusAurelius

Bettman said exactly that in a presser last weekend.

You gotta love the snide SOB - he couldn't resist pointing out that he got considerable heat for not naming the bubble cities earlier - and he was proven right to hold off until the last moment.

I know I'm the only one on earth, but I love the Bettman.
- Atomic Wedgie

I like Bettman as well, never understood the 'booooohs'

Im gonna let the rest of it die... Well.. Because there's just no sense in going on about it.

I will tackle the Willie thing though.

So if a guy like Pierre Lebrun is saying it's essentially useless shopping money right now because no one will even take the 2-3 million guys like Kerfoot and Johnsson are making right now... Where exactly are the Leafs selling Nylander off with his 2.5 million and added kicker of having a 7 million dollar cap hit... Without taking some salary back? Who are these teams that can absorb that cap hit outright?

And no, I don't think Nylander is useless. He's a valuable commodity with or without his contract. It's just every single thing out there is saying it's impossible to trade guys with literally half the caphit Willie has right now outright. Even if it was possible to move that money right now, would the leafs even get fair value?

Ignoring what these guys are saying and pushing the idea that it's easily done because you say so isn't exactly something I'm going to jump all over...
- joel878

Willy has 4 years left on his deal. $6.9M cap hit, and he's only owed $20.5M over that time.

There's at least 20 teams who would love BOTH those numbers.

Bettman said exactly that in a presser last weekend.

You gotta love the snide SOB - he couldn't resist pointing out that he got considerable heat for not naming the bubble cities earlier - and he was proven right to hold off until the last moment.

I know I'm the only one on earth, but I love the Bettman.
- Atomic Wedgie

not a guy i'd probably want to go for a beer with, but he's accomplished a lot.

he gotta rid of clutch and grab, reduced the length of nhl game from 3 hours to less than 2.5. turned a ~$1B business into a ~$4B one. and put in a hard salary cap.

leafs actually made the playoffs, A+ season
- TheMussel

Willy has 4 years left on his deal. $6.9M cap hit, and he's only owed $20.5M over that time.

There's at least 20 teams who would love BOTH those numbers.
- Atomic Wedgie

There are players at 2/3rds of that cash that bring more to a team (as in playoff success). Unless you are a team in really bad financial shape (Florida, Arizona) it is not very clear to go for Willie - 6.9aav is still a considerable capt (for teams aiming to win a SC)

Willy has 4 years left on his deal. $6.9M cap hit, and he's only owed $20.5M over that time.

There's at least 20 teams who would love BOTH those numbers.
- Atomic Wedgie

Absolutely, I 100% agree with you.

Unless we're in a time where it is impossible to move money. Than I see 20 or so teams going yes we would love that player on that contract... But there's no way we can make it work without sending money back.

There are players at 2/3rds of that cash that bring more to a team (as in playoff success). Unless you are a team in really bad financial shape (Florida, Arizona) it is not very clear to go for Willie - 6.9aav is still a considerable capt (for teams aiming to win a SC)
- MaximusAurelius

You're talking about a guy who is 24 that looks like he can be a 80-90 point player. Spare me the 4 million per players who are "Better".

A little bit of a reality check for NHL's next season:

https://twitter.com/Sz190...tatus/1308416008017899523

Darren Dreger Retweeted
Szymon Szemberg
@Sz1909_Szemberg
This is not going away: About thirty (!) players of KHL Lokomotiv Yaroslavl passed positive coronavirus tests, a source close to the situation told RIA Novosti. They are scheduled to play tonight.

- - - - - - - -

I am assuming by "passed positive coronavirus tests" he means flunked them.

ROGER: "BC the Isles are in cap HELL"
- MaximusAurelius

they are in a tough spot, so why would the Leafs just help them out of it

not a guy i'd probably want to go for a beer with, but he's accomplished a lot.

he gotta rid of clutch and grab, reduced the length of nhl game from 3 hours to less than 2.5. turned a ~$1B business into a ~$4B one. and put in a hard salary cap.
- Tumbleweed

The owners must absolutely franking love him.

It's always a great sight to see Bruins and Flyers fans call Bettman an arsehole for all the work stoppages - yeah, Snider and Jacobs had nothing to do with those.

You're talking about a guy who is 24 that looks like he can be a 80-90 point player. Spare me the 4 million per players who are "Better".
- RogerRoeper

We'll never agree on this.
However, I'd rather have a guy like Rackell at 3.8AAV over Nylander at 6.9AAV. (Rackell was the first that came to mind, there are others)

There are players at 2/3rds of that cash that bring more to a team (as in playoff success). Unless you are a team in really bad financial shape (Florida, Arizona) it is not very clear to go for Willie - 6.9aav is still a considerable capt (for teams aiming to win a SC)
- MaximusAurelius

Unless you are talking ELCs, there are no players in the NHL owed $14M over the next four seasons who bring more to a team than Nylander.

Give your franking head a shake.

Absolutely, I 100% agree with you.

Unless we're in a time where it is impossible to move money. Than I see 20 or so teams going yes we would love that player on that contract... But there's no way we can make it work without sending money back.
- joel878

that's the key to me. we need to be able to clear money in a deal. makes it a little tougher to get real good value.

but does it matter?

nylander for a late 1st, 2nd, and an good/okay prospect sounds meh.

nylander for AP, a late 1st, 2nd and a couple prospects is a deal you make all day everyday.

and i like nylander. i think he could be a 1,000 point player before he hangs them up.

I never suggested that Pierre Lebrun is sitting in his basement on his laptop just throwing stuff around. I'm saying that there's no (frank)ing way Lebrun knows a thing about the Leafs plans on Alex Pietrangelo. None. It's pure speculation.

The Leafs can't let any info out on AP for risk of getting severely fined/punished.

Willie can certainly be traded for draft picks and other assets. Are you suggesting that trading him has to see the Leafs getting NHL ready players in return?

Dude, I'm going to ignore the ad hominem and just suggest this for you: we fundamentally disagree on Petro and what moves the Leafs can make. I don't think there's anything I've said that is "absurd", but sure -- you're welcome to assert your opinion that I'm AA-like in my posiitons.

You can choose to engage with me or not. I just find that I disagree with a lot of your opinions which you seem to regurgitate on a daily basis. To be fair, I obviously feel it necessary to regurgitate my own theories in response. Nobody is perfect.
- mjones242

Sometimes the agents leak things out to the media for negotiating tactics. It's plausible that the leafs didn't leak anything but the agent did.

I believe AP is with newport in mississauga who represent a lot of guys. I think Tavares too. You don't think the agency is calling Dubas about another player and then "off the record" discussing AP?

We'll never agree on this.
However, I'd rather have a guy like Rackell at 3.8AAV over Nylander at 6.9AAV. (Rackell was the first that came to mind, there are others)
- MaximusAurelius

Rakell had 1 good playoffs. He' s been pretty poop aside from that. And we don't even know if he'd be available.

I'm tired of hearing how Leaf players have no value but inferior players do.