Haven't really heard that one anywhere. But even if someone were to say and actually be serious about it, trading Rielly at 5 does not fit Pietrangelo at 9.

I don't understand how some of these guys have jobs.
- joel878

Curious why Nylander's name wasn't floated in the rumour. It still doesn't make the Petro number of 9 (which I doubt he gets) but seems like a much more obvious choice for many, many reasons over trading Rielly to make room.

*sues them*
- Garnie

Do I get commission?

Haven't really heard that one anywhere. But even if someone were to say and actually be serious about it, trading Rielly at 5 does not fit Pietrangelo at 9.

I don't understand how some of these guys have jobs.
- joel878

I don't think we can afford more than about $8M.

I know that's below what he can fetch elsewhere, but sorry, them's da breaks.

Let's see if he really wants to play in Toronto.

Get Canadian Tire to sit in on the meeting.

And Tim Horton's.

And CIBC.

And CanaCabana.

Curious why Nylander's name wasn't floated in the rumour. It still doesn't make the Petro number of 9 (which I doubt he gets) but seems like a much more obvious choice for many, many reasons over trading Rielly to make room.
- mjones242

It absolutely makes more sense. But despite what people like AA says, every pundit I have read anything from continues to say the leafs won't be trading from their top end forwards.

Pietrangelo for sure gets close to 9, so even trading Willies 7 doesn't cover it. People continue to suggest all you have to do is fit Pietrangelos salary, they are dismissing the idea that there is still other players to sign and holes to fill with or without Pietrangelo.

I’m not saying don’t do it but it’s a factor and apparently enough of one to make STL walk away. Obviously how big a factor depends on extent of regression, how big the AAV and how big the bonus.

Pietrangelo clearly wants to be able to dictate how and when he retires.
- Canada Cup

Reading some of the stuff on the Athletic it sounds like the obstacles with AP and the Blues are more:
- Armstrong/The Blues don't do NMC; and
- Armstrong/The Blues don't pay any signing bonuses.

Apparently the only guy on the roster that gets bonus $$ is RoR but his deal was acquired via trade.

Oh goodie, going to upgrade the D with a Luke Schenn or Bogo.

Campbell as #1

Whoop whoop here comes the Cup.

🥴

I don't think we can afford more than about $8M.

I know that's below what he can fetch elsewhere, but sorry, them's da breaks.

Let's see if he really wants to play in Toronto.

Get Canadian Tire to sit in on the meeting.

And Tim Horton's.

And CIBC.

And CanaCabana.
- Atomic Wedgie

Unfortunately Marner set the bar at 'wanting to play for this team' means 'drain them for every penny you possibly can'.

Oh goodie, going to upgrade the D with a Luke Schenn or Bogo.

Campbell as #1

Whoop whoop here comes the Cup.

🥴
- Garnie

Red Solo Cup...

It absolutely makes more sense. But despite what people like AA says, every pundit I have read anything from continues to say the leafs won't be trading from their top end forwards.

Pietrangelo for sure gets close to 9, so even trading Willies 7 doesn't cover it. People continue to suggest all you have to do is fit Pietrangelos salary, they are dismissing the idea that there is still other players to sign and holes to fill with or without Pietrangelo.
- joel878

I’m sure we can spare $2m to get Pietro ( if Nylander traded )

Must be some more plugs willing to play for $700k that no other team wants

Reading some of the stuff on the Athletic it sounds like the obstacles with AP and the Blues are more:
- Armstrong/The Blues don't do NMC; and
- Armstrong/The Blues don't pay any signing bonuses.

Apparently the only guy on the roster that gets bonus $$ is RoR but his deal was acquired via trade.
- The Law

Wonder if those things mean more to him than money. 🤷‍♂️. Because the leafs can do those things easier than they can shell out big bucks.

Red Solo Cup...
- bixll

Damn

Haven't really heard that one anywhere. But even if someone were to say and actually be serious about it, trading Rielly at 5 does not fit Pietrangelo at 9.

I don't understand how some of these guys have jobs.
- joel878

Even if he heard it froma couple of fans, not sure why he writes it like the majority think this.

That's a crazy-stupid idea by fans that probably think Dunas is terrible and needs to be fired LOL.

Damn
- Garnie

But we won... Something.... Finally.. no

I’m sure we can spare $2m to get Pietro ( if Nylander traded )

Must be some more plugs willing to play for $700k that no other team wants
- Garnie

Who do you take a downswing on to fit those guys though? You go from an Engvall to a 700k play in, you've saved yourself 500k. Do that 4 times and you found your two million.

Dermott? He was at 875k and doesn't even have a deal on next year's cap yet.

If Lebrun is to be believed the financial restrictions are so tight around the league no one will even touch Johnsson or Kerfoot.

Justin Holl to a league minimum player gets you 1.3ish (if anyone wants to touch that)... But making the blueline worse goes against the entire point to begin with.

I kinda think there's a squishy middle ground here.

Yes, I'm absolutely in favour of testing.

Yes, I'm absolutely concerned about the rise in cases.

Yes, I'm aware of the lag between positive cases and hospitalizations, respirator patients, and deaths.

But I'm still thinking that the hospitalizations and deaths are more important than cases, especially as it starts to skew to younger cases.
- Atomic Wedgie

That’s what I was getting at. Testing’s importance is almost less as an overall indicator but more as a specific public health tool. Also, control of testing moving into individuals’ hands with walk-in, etc.

Important step will be availability of accurate home testing kits.

Even hospitalization probably doesn’t show all the impacts on young people who get sick, maybe with long lasting implications but don’t ever end up in hospitals.

Rambling around a bit but I don’t know that we have a really good metric to assess impacts since our understanding of the disease keeps developing.

St. Louis is going to have a very difficult time fitting Pietrangelo into the lineup while holding onto Parayko. I can't see them moving Faulk as he's just about to start the first year of his new deal with the Blues. Same goes with Scandella.

Steen and The Bozak would be likely candidates to move... but who wants those two with those contract hits?

Doubt they'd want to move Schwartz or Perron. So what else can they do?

Thinking Parayko is the odd man out if they bring back AP. Also thinking the Blues actually want to walk from AP and are just making some noises to give the illusion that they've tried to negotiate his return.
- mjones242

Blues have lots of options. Steen and Bozak are both buyout candidates and like the Leafs they've got some mid-level contracts they could likely move.

They offered him 8 milly b/c they know they have that, if needed.

Pierre LeBrun: 'It's nearly impossible to move money right now. Owners directing GMs to add no extra payroll'. Will be hard to find takers for Jonsson, Kerfoot.
- fifty__missions

If they can't move Johnsson or Kerfoot, I wonder about whether they can even move Ander5en.

Without being able to move money, I don't see Pietrangelo as a good option. I would rather know I can keep Rielly given the age difference.

Who do you take a downswing on to fit those guys though? You go from an Engvall to a 700k play in, you've saved yourself 500k. Do that 4 times and you found your two million.

Dermott? He was at 875k and doesn't even have a deal on next year's cap yet.

If Lebrun is to be believed the financial restrictions are so tight around the league no one will even touch Johnsson or Kerfoot.

Justin Holl to a league minimum player gets you 1.3ish (if anyone wants to touch that)... But making the blueline worse goes against the entire point to begin with.
- joel878

The Leafs would likely need to go the UFA route.. If they do trade, I think they may have to take back more salary as a means to help the other team... Maybe?

Johnsson, Liljegren and #15 pick for Parayko, is an example where the Leafs are taking on more salary.

Was she on the hottest music artists bracket a few months back? I can't remember.
- mjones242

She was not.
I have no excuse. I missed that one.

I’m sure we can spare $2m to get Pietro ( if Nylander traded )

Must be some more plugs willing to play for $700k that no other team wants
- Garnie

They’re not trading Nylander and trading Rielly is dumb. Johnson, Kerfoot, various remaining plugs, Hyman (next year) before Rielly.

Little bit from tsn this morning...

"Kevin McGran of the Toronto Star believes the Maple Leafs will at least try to see if they can squeeze star defenceman Alex Pietrangelo under the cap this off-season, but isn't sure the moves the team would have to make would prove worth it.

McGran writes that some fans have suggested trading defenceman Morgan Rielly to open the roughly $9 million needed to land Pietrangelo, but believes this would only upgrade the team's defence slightly, noting Rielly is also four years younger. He also doesn't see Maple Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas parting with a core forward this off-season.

Instead, McGran believes the Maple Leafs will pursue depth pieces to upgrade their defence in free agency, pointing to Zach Bogosian, Luke Schenn, Michael Stone, Dylan DeMelo and Cody Goloubef as options. If the team is willing to spend a little more, he wonders if T.J. Brodie or Dustin Byfuglien could be a fit.

The Maple Leafs currently have $6.1 million in projected cap space for this off-season after trading winger Kasperi Kapanen to the Pittsburgh Penguins last month."

We go from trading Rielly to fit Pietrangelo to upgrading their defence with Schenn, Bogosian, Stone, Goloubef in the same article.

Get a new job Mcgran. 🤮
- joel878

I mean DeMelo is pretty decent as a 4-5. Bogosian has looked ok playing 16 minutes a night...but "upgrade" is stretching it on those guys.

The Leafs would likely need to go the UFA route.. If they do trade, I think they may have to take back more salary as a means to help the other team... Maybe?

Johnsson, Liljegren and #15 pick for Parayko, is an example where the Leafs are taking on more salary.
- PatC80

Well, even that example the leafs take on 2.5 outright as opposed to 8-9 outright with a UFA like Pietrangelo.

I hate Mcgrans list of names in the sense that if the plan is to add two of the Bogosian, Schenn goloubef types... Our blueline is still poop. I think the worst they can do and call it a success is a trade for a top 4 and Demelo type signing. Outside of that you may as well plan on being punching bags again this season and save the money for next.

https://twitter.com/AZada...tatus/1308401496061620231


Wow! Kings owner OWNS that Euro team. Yet Leafs can't have their rinks open in the offseason...

Complete bullpoop. Leafs should complain like other teams complain about them.

Who do you take a downswing on to fit those guys though? You go from an Engvall to a 700k play in, you've saved yourself 500k. Do that 4 times and you found your two million.

Dermott? He was at 875k and doesn't even have a deal on next year's cap yet.

If Lebrun is to be believed the financial restrictions are so tight around the league no one will even touch Johnsson or Kerfoot.

Justin Holl to a league minimum player gets you 1.3ish (if anyone wants to touch that)... But making the blueline worse goes against the entire point to begin with.
- joel878

Smaller roster, lots of little ways to find $2m. We have 6 avail and $7m more if you traded Nylander. Pretty sure Freddie can easily be traded, bring back Sparks.

I mean DeMelo is pretty decent as a 4-5. Bogosian has looked ok playing 16 minutes a night...but "upgrade" is stretching it on those guys.
- AdamFrench

Just ok, right Randy?