I mean, is there that big of a difference between the two that saving some cap space hurts us? Ghost has a pretty high offensive upside - terrible defensively, but it's not like Hanifin's been great in his own end either... Ghost would at least quarterback the powerplay here, an area the Flames need a little help in with a declining Gio
- rmull905

There are way better deals out there for you guys. Ghost has been awful for 2 years and the Flyers will probably offer a pick for a team to simply take him off their hands.

I’m okay with keeping him given Gio’s age and the uncertainty of valimaki. That said if we think we can improve the team by subtracting him for someone else why not take a chance.

If he’s shown any progress over the last 4 years I would be more hesitant but the guy has plateaued since his second year in the league. It’s not likely we see him suddenly have a breakout, at least according to the stats.

It’s a shame but I think the blame here falls on carolina. There’s no way they should have rushed him into the league right out of the draft.

Hanifin is so suffering from Bennett's syndrom at the moment.

If he had been picked 27th overall or somewere in the 2nd round nobody would be talking about trading him.

Sure, the guy's no Miro Heiskanen, but for (frank)'s sake, we gotta stop evaluating players according to their draft ranking.

Hanifin is so suffering from Bennett's syndrom at the moment.

If he had been picked 27th overall or somewere in the 2nd round nobody would be talking about trading him.

Sure, the guy's no Miro Heiskanen, but for (frank)'s sake, we gotta stop evaluating players according to their draft ranking.
- redseerpf

No one cares where he was drafted.

No one cares where he was drafted.
- Hunkulese

Sure man. Ok man.

Sure man. Ok man.
- redseerpf

Was it mentioned once in the blog or comments?

He was drafted over five years ago by a different team. It has zero relevance today.

Would you guy be interested in a swap of a RD for LD, say Montour or Miller for Hanifin

There are way better deals out there for you guys. Ghost has been awful for 2 years and the Flyers will probably offer a pick for a team to simply take him off their hands.
- Balboa

Fair enough

Fair enough
- rmull905

Ghost has been on the market for a few years & his play recently had him a press box during the playoffs. Kind of a flag there dont you think. Hanifin played ok during playoffs. He's playing like a #4 when a lot of us expect him to grow his play into a top pairing D for us. Ignore what Hunk says but being drafted 5th overall creates expectation. Reaction of most is if they dont meet expectation they are crap. We all hope for a higher learning curve Noah is a lot flatter than say a guy like Andersen. But it definitely is not a declining curve. You dont give these guys away.

Would you guy be interested in a swap of a RD for LD, say Montour or Miller for Hanifin
- Buff36

You would have to add, my guess a 2nd & I would think Montour but he has arbitration rights so I would be wary of what he would command on a new deal. I have heard arbitrators will not be taking Covid economics into consideration when awarding their rulings.

You would have to add, my guess a 2nd & I would think Montour but he has arbitration rights so I would be wary of what he would command on a new deal. I have heard arbitrators will not be taking Covid economics into consideration when awarding their rulings.
- Kevin R

Well I think your looking at about 4 to 4.2 mill a year, I think you would actually be saving money.

Ghost has been on the market for a few years & his play recently had him a press box during the playoffs. Kind of a flag there dont you think. Hanifin played ok during playoffs. He's playing like a #4 when a lot of us expect him to grow his play into a top pairing D for us. Ignore what Hunk says but being drafted 5th overall creates expectation. Reaction of most is if they dont meet expectation they are crap. We all hope for a higher learning curve Noah is a lot flatter than say a guy like Andersen. But it definitely is not a declining curve. You dont give these guys away.
- Kevin R

Again, fair, but I think Ghost has shown that he can deliver more and deliver more than Hanifin from an offensive standpoint certainly. The reviews on Hanifin, regardless of his draft status, haven't been great for much of the season, and I don't think Hamonic brought him down any - if anything, Hamonic would have been the Gio to Wideman years ago...

I think he's been fine, I also think the Flames need to find some offense from the backend next year as Gio dried up this past season from that standpoint and no one else really stepped in. Maybe it's not a Hanifin for Ghost swap, but I could see maybe pulling the trigger to bring him in with a minor deal and then maybe leveraging Hanifin elsewhere if they needed to upgrade the forward corps. Doubt Philly eats money, but he's only $4.5 for the next two years and can be Kraken feed if he's not playing well next year.

For comparison:
Noah Hanifin Born 1997 AGE 23
2019-20 season TOI/GP 21:10
Remaining cap commitment 4 years x 4.95mil

Jonas Brodin Born 1993 AGE 27
2019/20 season TOI/GP 21:33
Remaining cap commitment 1 year x 4.16mil, 6 years x 6mil (FULL NMC)

Hanifin's value does not look too bad when comparing these players!
- DEDDIE

Lol I think when comparing players you need to use more than TOI and age

Hanifin is so suffering from Bennett's syndrom at the moment.

If he had been picked 27th overall or somewere in the 2nd round nobody would be talking about trading him.

Sure, the guy's no Miro Heiskanen, but for (frank)'s sake, we gotta stop evaluating players according to their draft ranking.
- redseerpf

The flames didn't even draft him why the (frank) would they care where he was drafted? They care because he was traded for in part to replace dougie and he has been a huge disappointment so far

The flames didn't even draft him why the (frank) would they care where he was drafted? They care because he was traded for in part to replace dougie and he has been a huge disappointment so far
- FLAM3SFAN

Obviously you haven't gotten the point the slightest.

Obviously you haven't gotten the point the slightest.
- redseerpf

Probably because the point you're trying to make is nonsensical. No one cares where he was drafted. No one is saying the Flames should move on from Hanifin because he was drafted high and isn't living up to his high pick.

Hanifin has been a disappointment because he was 21-year-old allstar who was brought in with the hopes of rounding out his game and taking over from Giordano for the next 15 years. Instead, he's the exact same player as he was when he was 21. If he had been drafted in the 6th round, it wouldn't make a difference at all.

By your logic, everyone should cut Gaudreau some slack since he actually was drafted in the 6th round. He's way above expectations. After you've been in the NHL a couple years, nothing you did in junior or college matters to anyone at all.

Hanifin's played 400 games. Please explain how his draft position 5 years ago means anything now.

Probably because the point you're trying to make is nonsensical. No one cares where he was drafted. No one is saying the Flames should move on from Hanifin because he was drafted high and isn't living up to his high pick.

Hanifin has been a disappointment because he was 21-year-old allstar who was brought in with the hopes of rounding out his game and taking over from Giordano for the next 15 years. Instead, he's the exact same player as he was when he was 21. If he had been drafted in the 6th round, it wouldn't make a difference at all.

By your logic, everyone should cut Gaudreau some slack since he actually was drafted in the 6th round. He's way above expectations. After you've been in the NHL a couple years, nothing you did in junior or college matters to anyone at all.

Hanifin's played 400 games. Please explain how his draft position 5 years ago means anything now.
- Hunkulese

You must be his twin.

🤦‍♂️

You must be his twin.

🤦‍♂️
- redseerpf

Are you five?


Compelling argument.

Are you five?


Compelling argument.
- Hunkulese

Your mom really didn't love you enough growing up right?

Try a teddybear. It helps sometimes.

Your mom really didn't love you enough growing up right?

Try a teddybear. It helps sometimes.
- redseerpf

So... you got nothing?

Lol I think when comparing players you need to use more than TOI and age
- FLAM3SFAN

Well they are both defensive defensemen so I think TOI/GP is a very important metric in determining value. Lets look at their offensive games then.
Brodin:
2019/20 2G, 26A, 28PTS
Career 555GP, 30G, 116A, 146 PTS, .26 career PTS/GP
Hanifin:
2019/20 5G, 17A, 22PTS
Career 389GP, 28G, 110A, 138PTS, .35 career PTS/GP

Pretty similar numbers is all i'm saying!

Well they are both defensive defensemen so I think TOI/GP is a very important metric in determining value. Lets look at their offensive games then.
Brodin:
2019/20 2G, 26A, 28PTS
Career 555GP, 30G, 116A, 146 PTS, .26 career PTS/GP
Hanifin:
2019/20 5G, 17A, 22PTS
Career 389GP, 28G, 110A, 138PTS, .35 career PTS/GP

Pretty similar numbers is all i'm saying!
- DEDDIE

The issue is that Hanifin is supposed to be an offensive defenceman.