What do the Leafs need more? Nylander's scoring or a top 4 RHD?
- gergeswillems

That's no how trades should go at all. You get ripped off doing that.

I love Marner, but boy your statement above made me pause.

I really don't know if Marner is worth $4M more a year than Nylander. That's a huge gap.
- Atomic Wedgie

How about keep both!

Patrick, Myers and Frost

for

Nylander, Dermott and Bracco

That's no how trades should go at all. You get ripped off doing that.
- RogerRoeper

How so?

That's no how trades should go at all. You get ripped off doing that.
- RogerRoeper

You don't trade from areas of abundance to fill areas of need?

Patrick, Myers and Frost

for

Nylander, Dermott and Bracco
- mr.sir

via GIPHY

- bixll

Sorry, story interuptus.

My brother-in-law was associated with the Oilers. His name is on all their Cups and he and my sister travelled with the team a fair bit. Trump crashed a team party in NY (I don’t remember if it was during playoffs vs Islanders or not). In typical fashion he approached a group of players wives and my sister and invited them all back to his special party.

One of the wives just pointed over to her husband and other players and said go ask them which he didn’t do.

Sounded better when she told it but Sather pulled the same thing years later at my niece’s wedding when he came up to a group of us and invited my wife up to his cottage. She had no idea who he was and told him to (frank) off.

Do people not see in the 18 months since the Pesce rumours started Nylander's value has gone up? Why expect the same return? How has Pesce's value gone up?
- RogerRoeper

actually according to dubie, hes not receiving much value in the offers hes receiving from other gms for willie.

Yeah we've been through this and it's difference in philosophy

The leafs don't *need* a top pair D. They aren't structured in a fashion to accommodate that. They need balance throughout their lineup, and that is not accomplished by stacking the top end. Just look at the forward group as evidence.
- joel878

(might as well spin this record again)

Yes, yes they do.

Having two legit top pairing defenders who can play monster minutes in the playoffs means you don't have to overplay your mediocre bottom pair as much.

My proposal is to trade one of the Top 4 forwards to bring balance to the d-corps.

Petro is a special player.

What do the Leafs need more? Nylander's scoring or a top 4 RHD?
- gergeswillems

I feel like top 4 D is a tricky term, because there is a big range from 1 to 4. It's like saying top 6 forward. That could mean Matthews or it could mean Hyman.

I feel like top 4 D is a tricky term, because there is a big range from 1 to 4. It's like saying top 6 forward. That could mean Matthews or it could mean Hyman.
- Zezel

Top 4 is a hilarious term because 2 of those Top 4 would also be in your Bottom 4.

We should be talking about pairings.

I'd only trade Nylander for a top 2 D....and a top 2 on a good team.

He's a 4th liner LOL. Let's not read so much into that. I doubt he was keeping them from success.
- RogerRoeper

Certainly didn’t help. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I feel like top 4 D is a tricky term, because there is a big range from 1 to 4. It's like saying top 6 forward. That could mean Matthews or it could mean Hyman.
- Zezel

I think top 4 RHD means someone better than Adam Larsson

(might as well spin this record again)

Yes, yes they do.

Having two legit top pairing defenders who can play monster minutes in the playoffs means you don't have to overplay your mediocre bottom pair as much.

My proposal is to trade one of the Top 4 forwards to bring balance to the d-corps.

Petro is a special player.


- mjones242

Yeah, it means you have to grind one pair to death and then ship two less than competent pairs to the wolves while they sit in the bench.

You have to put a gun to your salary caps skull to do it, and more than likely agree to a contract that has tons of red flags saying it won't age well written all over it.

You have to repeat the exact same mistake you've made at forward and pretend it will work this time.

The more this one is beaten to death... The more I'm shifting from hey Pietrangelo is solid I'll deal with it to... It's a terrible idea. Terrible.

I think top 4 RHD means someone better than Adam Larsson
- PatC80

Hopefully a lot better

I feel like top 4 D is a tricky term, because there is a big range from 1 to 4. It's like saying top 6 forward. That could mean Matthews or it could mean Hyman.
- Zezel

well usually top 4 means a dman that can play in the 3-4 spot on a permanent basis, that could play top 2 spot during injuries.
Usually when referencing a 1-2 dman, its a top line, top pair , 1st line, elite dman

Thats what i go by.

You would never reference matthews in the same breath as hyman. Sure hyman plays on his wing in Toronto, cause they seem to work well some nights but is he a top line player on other teams? Dunno.
Matthews if reference as a number 1 center, not a top 6 player like hyman would be referenced as.

I feel like top 4 D is a tricky term, because there is a big range from 1 to 4. It's like saying top 6 forward. That could mean Matthews or it could mean Hyman.
- Zezel

I think Petro and Rielly would be a legitimate top D pairing. Muzzin-Pesce would be a legitimate second pairing. Leafs could play the snot out of them and get away with a Sandin-Lehtonen/Liljegren third pairing.

To me Nylander is a luxury for the Leafs. Not a necessity. They'll have no problem scoring goals. You don't give him away. But you're not getting a #1 or #2 D back for him. If you were he'd be traded by now. If you can get a very good #3 or #4 I think you do it.

Eh, Demar was late 20's and had been there almost a decade. Different situation.
- RogerRoeper

Their ages are the only difference. The situation is very similar.

I think Petro and Rielly would be a legitimate top D pairing. Muzzin-Pesce would be a legitimate second pairing. Leafs could play the snot out of them and get away with a Sandin-Lehtonen/Liljegren third pairing.

To me Nylander is a luxury for the Leafs. Not a necessity. They'll have no problem scoring goals. You don't give him away. But you're not getting a #1 or #2 D back for him. If you were he'd be traded by now. If you can get a very good #3 or #4 I think you do it.
- gergeswillems

If the Leafs get Pietrangelo and Pesce that's a huge off-season win..

I do think the Leafs are missing two more Muzzin types and two more Hyman types and a goalie that can make a key save at an important point of a game.

Sorry, story interuptus.

My brother-in-law was associated with the Oilers. His name is on all their Cups and he and my sister travelled with the team a fair bit. Trump crashed a team party in NY (I don’t remember if it was during playoffs vs Islanders or not). In typical fashion he approached a group of players wives and my sister and invited them all back to his special party.

One of the wives just pointed over to her husband and other players and said go ask them which he didn’t do.

Sounded better when she told it but Sather pulled the same thing years later at my niece’s wedding when he came up to a group of us and invited my wife up to his cottage. She had no idea who he was and told him to (frank) off.
- Canada Cup

Well done.

actually according to dubie, hes not receiving much value in the offers hes receiving from other gms for willie.
- Fakepartofme

Pretty sure thats just speculation, not from Dubas.

If the Leafs get Pietrangelo and Pesce that's a huge off-season win..

I do think the Leafs are missing two more Muzzin types and two more Hyman types and a goalie that can make a key save at an important point of a game.
- PatC80

That's why I suggested trading for Kuemper. I think he could win those big playoff games for the Leafs.

It's tricky because teams that have a young Dman equivalent to Nylander in terms of hockey value probably aren't gonna trade that player in the first place.

If the Leafs get Pietrangelo and Pesce that's a huge off-season win..

I do think the Leafs are missing two more Muzzin types and two more Hyman types and a goalie that can make a key save at an important point of a game.
- PatC80

If they can pull that off I am all in on the Pietrangelo gamble. That's a lot of cap space... But if they make it work.. I'm in.

I'd also be in on the Pietrangelo business at reasonable cap or low term. 7 mil x 5 or 9 mil x 2. Sure. I don't see that being anything close to contracts he would sign however.