Also gotta work with his M-NTC
- dmnted

That list will depend on who the Leafs show him who’s going to be playing D in front of him. If it’s the same as this year, his list will be 30 long.

You let me know after you see the first one.
- bixll

🎸🤟🏻

Also gotta work with his M-NTC
- dmnted

I'm sure it would work.. Yesterday there was talk that Andersen has accepted the fact that he will be moved

I'm sure it would work.. Yesterday there was talk that Andersen has accepted the fact that he will be moved
- PatC80

He should just based on his play.

- gergeswillems

Mikheyev is going to want more than $1M.

I get it, but usually the team that gets the best player in the deal wins the deal.
In this scenario, Marner is the best player in the deal by significant margin.

Dermott is only 23, dmen take longer to develop. If the Leafs trade him, theyll end up regretting it IMO.
- Archaic

What you see is what you get with Dermont imo. He's solid but I don't see top 4 potential. He seems pretty stagnant with his development right now. Hopefully I'm wrong.

I don't envy Dudas at the moment some difficult decisions coming up.

Andersen? Cap hit of $5M, with only $1M in actual salary
- PatC80

I've yet to see a scenario whereby the Leafs benefit from trading Andersen.

You're going to get back a handful of crap for him (goalies do not typically fetch much in the trade front).

And then you have to replace him. The UFA market isn't great - you really want to roll with Jimmy Howard?

Anything we trade back for will probably have roughly the same cap hit.

So we trade Andersen for a handful of nothing, help another team out with cash flow, and then give up assets to get back another goalie who may or may not be as good as Andersen, with roughly the same cap hit.

I'd rather go with the devil we know.

I've yet to see a scenario whereby the Leafs benefit from trading Andersen.

You're going to get back a handful of crap for him (goalies do not typically fetch much in the trade front).

And then you have to replace him. The UFA market isn't great - you really want to roll with Jimmy Howard?

Anything we trade back for will probably have roughly the same cap hit.

So we trade Andersen for a handful of nothing, help another team out with cash flow, and then give up assets to get back another goalie who may or may not be as good as Andersen, with roughly the same cap hit.

I'd rather go with the devil we know.
- Atomic Wedgie

I agree with you. It's why I think Dubas has to concentrate on fixing the D instead of worrying about "making the most of Andersen's contract".

How do you make the most of it? By playing him with an improved D and team D instead of bringing in a subpar goalie and then hearing all the media stories of how they need a real starting goalie!

Mikheyev is going to want more than $1M.
- Atomic Wedgie

He’s out, we can squeeze a couple more plugs in at $700k.

I've yet to see a scenario whereby the Leafs benefit from trading Andersen.

You're going to get back a handful of crap for him (goalies do not typically fetch much in the trade front).

And then you have to replace him. The UFA market isn't great - you really want to roll with Jimmy Howard?

Anything we trade back for will probably have roughly the same cap hit.

So we trade Andersen for a handful of nothing, help another team out with cash flow, and then give up assets to get back another goalie who may or may not be as good as Andersen, with roughly the same cap hit.

I'd rather go with the devil we know.
- Atomic Wedgie

I've never in my life seen an offseason with so many goalies available. And as mentioned his 1 million in salary will guarantee he doesn't get back crap.

Out of all goalies available why only bring up Howard?

Why lose Andersen for nothing next year?

I've yet to see a scenario whereby the Leafs benefit from trading Andersen.

You're going to get back a handful of crap for him (goalies do not typically fetch much in the trade front).

And then you have to replace him. The UFA market isn't great - you really want to roll with Jimmy Howard?

Anything we trade back for will probably have roughly the same cap hit.

So we trade Andersen for a handful of nothing, help another team out with cash flow, and then give up assets to get back another goalie who may or may not be as good as Andersen, with roughly the same cap hit.

I'd rather go with the devil we know.
- Atomic Wedgie

We already act like Pens AHL team, might as well do it for another team.

The favourite for the Conn Smyth is a UFA goalie. And he still won't get that high of a cap hit despite that.

I've yet to see a scenario whereby the Leafs benefit from trading Andersen.

You're going to get back a handful of crap for him (goalies do not typically fetch much in the trade front).

And then you have to replace him. The UFA market isn't great - you really want to roll with Jimmy Howard?

Anything we trade back for will probably have roughly the same cap hit.

So we trade Andersen for a handful of nothing, help another team out with cash flow, and then give up assets to get back another goalie who may or may not be as good as Andersen, with roughly the same cap hit.


I'd rather go with the devil we know.
- Atomic Wedgie

Andersen for Keumper makes sense for Arizona IMO if they need to shed salary and sheds cap for the Leafs. Maybe even throw in a lower pick if Arizona retains 500K of the salary.

I've yet to see a scenario whereby the Leafs benefit from trading Andersen.

You're going to get back a handful of crap for him (goalies do not typically fetch much in the trade front).

And then you have to replace him. The UFA market isn't great - you really want to roll with Jimmy Howard?

Anything we trade back for will probably have roughly the same cap hit.

So we trade Andersen for a handful of nothing, help another team out with cash flow, and then give up assets to get back another goalie who may or may not be as good as Andersen, with roughly the same cap hit.

I'd rather go with the devil we know.
- Atomic Wedgie

The goalie UFA market isn't great, that's why I suggested trading him to Arizona.. Keumper's salary is $1M more than his actual cap hit. Andersen going to the Coyotes helps them and we get a goalie back as well..

I think a Andersen for Keumper and Crouse deal is good for both sides. (Unless, Freddy re-signs in Arizona long term and somehow convinces Matthews to sign there as a UFA)

I've yet to see a scenario whereby the Leafs benefit from trading Andersen.

You're going to get back a handful of crap for him (goalies do not typically fetch much in the trade front).

And then you have to replace him. The UFA market isn't great - you really want to roll with Jimmy Howard?

Anything we trade back for will probably have roughly the same cap hit.

So we trade Andersen for a handful of nothing, help another team out with cash flow, and then give up assets to get back another goalie who may or may not be as good as Andersen, with roughly the same cap hit.

I'd rather go with the devil we know.
- Atomic Wedgie

Lehner and Markstrom are interesting. Maybe a Kuemper trade. But your right that's about it.

Lehner and Markstrom are interesting. Maybe a Kuemper trade. But your right that's about it.
- bmoney411

What about Jimmy Howard?

I've never in my life seen an offseason with so many goalies available. And as mentioned his 1 million in salary will guarantee he doesn't get back crap.

Out of all goalies available why only bring up Howard?

Why lose Andersen for nothing next year?
- RogerRoeper

https://www.capfriendly.c...21/caphit/all/goalies/ufa

Pick out a guy who is going to be better than Andersen, who is going to accept a salary of less than $5M.

This is the best offseason in history to get a goalie. Khodobin, Lehenr, Kuemper, Holtby, Crawford, Fleury, Andersen, Markstrom or Demko

Eh... I think you're over-stating the "grind". Also, the Leafs have Muzzin on the 2nd pair who is more than capable of handling extra minutes as well.

The Leafs can always add at the TDL if Holl or Lehtonen don't pan out on the 2nd pair.

Your last sentence sounds is delicious and makes me want to beat this dead horse more and more.
- mjones242

When it comes to Pietrangelo, I see a lot of commentary like the grind won't be as bad as you think, we have this one guy on this other pairing, the trade deadline. Can find this can find that. Not so cap restrictive...

It all follows the same philosophy that's been used all along. Which is, let's just ignore the glaring issues with this approach and assume the problems will sort themselves out with time.

You can beat however many horses you want, the particular horse has been beat for a generation. 🤣

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/goalies/ufa

Pick out a guy who is going to be better than Andersen, who is going to accept a salary of less than $5M.
- Atomic Wedgie

We got Campbell, just grab Sparks for $700k.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2021/caphit/all/goalies/ufa

Pick out a guy who is going to be better than Andersen, who is going to accept a salary of less than $5M.
- Atomic Wedgie

Kuemper, Khodobin, Crawford, maybe Holtby

What about Jimmy Howard?
- Archaic

When trying to make your point be sure to bring up the worst goalie who no one even thinks about

Lehner and Markstrom are interesting. Maybe a Kuemper trade. But your right that's about it.
- bmoney411

Lehner is staying in Vegas... MAF will be traded

This is the best offseason in history to get a goalie. Khodobin, Lehenr, Kuemper, Holtby, Crawford, Fleury, Andersen, Markstrom or Demko
- RogerRoeper

Tons of teams will be trying to get these guys.

And you included a guy who’s played 27 reg season games at:

27 13 10 2 3.06 .905

What about Jimmy Howard?
- Archaic

Can he drive a Zamboni?