Non-starter for me. Part of the reason I'm comfortable with adding OEL's contract is knowing we have 3 cheap years of each of these guys in the barrel.

Worth noting, Hinostroza is also an RFA (because you didn't specify "rights to").
- MaximumBone

My bad, I thought he still had 1 year left.

Hypothetically speaking, if the Oilers did acquire OEL and DIDN’T trade Bouchard, where would he slot in? Would he be taking Benning’s spot?

My bad, I thought he still had 1 year left.

Hypothetically speaking, if the Oilers did acquire OEL and DIDN’T trade Bouchard, where would he slot in? Would he be taking Benning’s spot?
- Wildschwein

Absolutely. In fact, I'm on board with him taking that spot regardless 😅 The 1mil we save could be used more effectively elsewhere.

Finalized realistic roster idea:

AA+Russell for Vinny+Grabner
Puljujarvi for a 2nd+a 3rd
Chiasson for Weal

Sign J Larsson, Soucy, and Dell

Nuge-Draisatil-Yamamoto
Hinostroza-McDavid-Kassian
Grabner-Larsson-Archibald
Ny/JJ/Benson-Weal-Neal
Haas & one of the above

Adambom
Nurse- Bear
Soucy- Jones
Willy Legs

Koskinen
Dell

Bouch could earn the bottom pairing spot or even a spot higher up, but I want 7 D "ahead" of him so he has to take the spot.

Vinny played a surprising amount of HARD minutes and fared impressively well while being a capable EV producer. Grabner brings speed, defensive ability, and a shot threat to the bottom-6. Weal gives us a RC that's decent at FOs and has offensive skill. He helps make the 4th line into one one worthy of softer deployment. Each spot can be rotated to create a different fit depending on opponent and recent performance.

Soucy and Dell are both AB natives and bring elements that'll balance the positions they play. J Larsson is a definitive step up on Sheahan and won't cost all that much.

2021 first, Jones, Russell, and AA for OEL, Grabner, and Hinostroza.
Would also be okay with buying out Neal if needed in order to resign Hinostroza and pursue a few select FA's (Koivu).
- EdmHockeyMan

That is one of the biggest homer trade proposals I have ever seen. Equally as Edmonton friendly that the Coyotes would never do is the AA + Russell for Hinistroza + Grabner. There is no readon Arizona would anything but hang the phone up without saying a single word back to either of those trade requests. I do think Russell will endnup there by next season, he is only owed $1 million on $4 mill cap hit. So once they unload other expensive D to other teams he will have valuento them. Maybe the Oilers could add AA and get one of those players in return. Dropping Russell is basically a cap dump. Same with AA. Not going to get 2 quality assets for 2 cap dumps.

Any update on if the Oilers are trying to keep Ennis around? He was a great fit on the team, played great and is cheap. On a 1-year deal on this team he could greatly improve his value around the league. Also any update on RNH extension talks? If no progress on thst front I could actually see him being traded to a team in need of top 6 centers for multiple assets like another top 6 winger + 3C.

Absolutely. In fact, I'm on board with him taking that spot regardless 😅 The 1mil we save could be used more effectively elsewhere.
- MaximumBone

Any idea why Bouchard is playing in the Allsvenskan instead of the SHL?

Any idea why Bouchard is playing in the Allsvenskan instead of the SHL?
- RonPielep

Opportunity to play more minutes likely a factor. SHL coaches are pretty notorious with limiting rookie minutes. It might be a less competitive league but Bouchard should get top pairing minutes and top PP time in his current situation.

Opportunity to play more minutes likely a factor. SHL coaches are pretty notorious with limiting rookie minutes. It might be a less competitive league but Bouchard should get top pairing minutes and top PP time in his current situation.
- freelancer

Too bad Lavoie didn't take the same approach.

That is one of the biggest homer trade proposals I have ever seen. Equally as Edmonton friendly that the Coyotes would never do is the AA + Russell for Hinistroza + Grabner.

There is no readon Arizona would anything but hang the phone up without saying a single word back to either of those trade requests. I do think Russell will endnup there by next season, he is only owed $1 million on $4 mill cap hit. So once they unload other expensive D to other teams he will have valuento them. Maybe the Oilers could add AA and get one of those players in return. Dropping Russell is basically a cap dump. Same with AA.

Not going to get 2 quality assets for 2 cap dumps.
- Lytes9

This is pretty close to the worst argumentation I've seen on this site in years.

No reason for them to make the deal... other than 2.275mil in cash savings that they're by all reports desperate to find.

Further, I was unaware that 32 year old Ws with 11 points in 46 games costing them 3.35mil in cap (and 3.75mil in cash) qualified as a "quality asset" Man, get your head outta your rectal cavity. Russell for Grabner is cap dump for cap dump where each side gets a better fit for their needs. Any suggestion otherwise is absurd and displays clear bias for the Yotes or against the Oilers.

As for the AA for Vinny portion, I literally stipulate in the original post that it would be contingent on them planning on not qualifying him. If they're not prepared to pay a middle-6 forward coming off a 22 point season more than his ~1.6mil qualifying offer (an entirely reasonable suggestion given their desire to shed dollars) then, as far as they and the trade market are concerned, he'd effectively be a UFA. What do pending-UFAs garner in trade? Not much. The same goes for AA, hence why that's effectively a wash.

But please, carry on explaining all the reasons why Grabner is worth anything more than Russell and why a to-be UFA Hinostroza qualifies as a quality asset while AA is trash and a cap dump. Go ahead.

This is pretty close to the worst argumentation I've seen on this site in years.

No reason for them to make the deal... other than 2.275mil in cash savings that they're by all reports desperate to find.

Further, I was unaware that 32 year old Ws with 11 points in 46 games costing them 3.35mil in cap (and 3.75mil in cash) qualified as a "quality asset" Man, get your head outta your rectal cavity. Russell for Grabner is cap dump for cap dump where each side gets a better fit for their needs. Any suggestion otherwise is absurd and displays clear bias for the Yotes or against the Oilers.

As for the AA for Vinny portion, I literally stipulate in the original post that it would be contingent on them planning on not qualifying him. If they're not prepared to pay a middle-6 forward coming off a 22 point season more than his ~1.6mil qualifying offer (an entirely reasonable suggestion given their desire to shed dollars) then, as far as they and the trade market are concerned, he'd effectively be a UFA. What do pending-UFAs garner in trade? Not much. The same goes for AA, hence why that's effectively a wash.

But please, carry on explaining all the reasons why Grabner is worth anything more than Russell and why a to-be UFA Hinostroza qualifies as a quality asset while AA is trash and a cap dump. Go ahead.
- MaximumBone

Any update on if the Oilers are trying to keep Ennis around? He was a great fit on the team, played great and is cheap. On a 1-year deal on this team he could greatly improve his value around the league. Also any update on RNH extension talks? If no progress on thst front I could actually see him being traded to a team in need of top 6 centers for multiple assets like another top 6 winger + 3C.
- Lytes9

Would like to keep Ennis around if possible.
Pretty sure RNH will get extended.

Nice that you guys think Holland will actually make a hockey trade that isn't just dumping players for draft picks or AHL guys, a trade deadline deal or trading back in the draft. His last decent hockey trade (NHL player for NHL player) i think would be Kozlov for Hasek back in 2001. Even that one was gifted to him with Hasek requesting to be traded to Detroit for a chance to win a cup.

Nice that you guys think Holland will actually make a hockey trade that isn't just dumping players for draft picks or AHL guys, a trade deadline deal or trading back in the draft. His last decent hockey trade (NHL player for NHL player) i think would be Kozlov for Hasek back in 2001. Even that one was gifted to him with Hasek requesting to be traded to Detroit for a chance to win a cup.
- dcz28

Who said we think he'll do any of this? We've had decades of inept management; all discussions in here are a means to cope with the endless parade of hopeless "hockey men".

Who said we think he'll do any of this? We've had decades of inept management; all discussions in here are a means to cope with the endless parade of hopeless "hockey men".
- MaximumBone

Fair enough

I hope Howard bounces back next season for you guys...he won't be brought back for the Wings so he's going to end up in Edmonton. That was a very frustrating thing with Holland...bringing back players he's had before simply because he knows them.

This is pretty close to the worst argumentation I've seen on this site in years.

No reason for them to make the deal... other than 2.275mil in cash savings that they're by all reports desperate to find.

Further, I was unaware that 32 year old Ws with 11 points in 46 games costing them 3.35mil in cap (and 3.75mil in cash) qualified as a "quality asset" Man, get your head outta your rectal cavity. Russell for Grabner is cap dump for cap dump where each side gets a better fit for their needs. Any suggestion otherwise is absurd and displays clear bias for the Yotes or against the Oilers.

As for the AA for Vinny portion, I literally stipulate in the original post that it would be contingent on them planning on not qualifying him. If they're not prepared to pay a middle-6 forward coming off a 22 point season more than his ~1.6mil qualifying offer (an entirely reasonable suggestion given their desire to shed dollars) then, as far as they and the trade market are concerned, he'd effectively be a UFA. What do pending-UFAs garner in trade? Not much. The same goes for AA, hence why that's effectively a wash.

But please, carry on explaining all the reasons why Grabner is worth anything more than Russell and why a to-be UFA Hinostroza qualifies as a quality asset while AA is trash and a cap dump. Go ahead.
- MaximumBone

Wow. Get needlessly offended much? I wasn't arguing. Never called Athinasiou trash. He's a good player and I really like him actually. But the Oilers need to get rid of him for cap reasons, hence calling him a cap dump, not saying anything about my opinion on the player. I'm a Red Wings and Oilers fan and have no bias for the Yotes or against the Oilers. And I never read your original post just saw that trade mentioned multiple times as I scrolled through the chat. Now stop speaking for other people, get off your soapbox and chill the (frank) out.

As I mentioned I just saw it listed several times and didn't see your non-qualifying thing, but while your suggestion for the trade being made because each side not planning to qualify the player sort of makes sense, they would then be qualifying the player they bring in. If not they would just save some paper work by not making the trade and not qualify the guy they currently have.

But if the Coyotes do qualify AA they'd wouldn't save much, they'd be signing a more expensive winger than the one they didn't plan on qualifying and traded away while the Oilers would still get around $2 mill in cap space. Say AA is qualified at $3.25 mill plus the $1 mill Russell is owed thats 4.25, while Grabner at $3.25 and Hinistroza would be qualified around $2 mill means theyd only save $1 mill. If they want to save money, they can do better than that while getting rid of those players easily. Hell they could just not qualifying Vinny and pursue AA as a free agent when he'd be cheaper on the market if they wanted him. So Arizona would be doing a favor for a division rival by helping them out of cap trouble while giving them bottom 6 wingers they need. Seems dumb for them to do that and not save much money, which is why I think its an Oilers homer deal.

Grabner for Russell straight up makes much more sense. But in that case I think the Oilers should just try to get rid of his contract in a cap dump for a 3rd round pick and do better things with the money saved. Grabner is basically the same type of player as Athinasiou but older and slightly more expensive. Why not just cap dump trade Russell and resign AA instead?