I think so too.

I'm only on the AP train because if it happens I might as well enjoy it! Not like my disdain for it helps.
- Aaron_85

Getting AP is a no brainer for the leafs imo. All around dman with Cup experience is exactly what they need. It's just gonna need some gm magic to make it work long term. Our bottom six would be a revolving door if we signed him without making a major sacrifice now or down the road. The good news is they have a lot of picks this year.

1.) the stats do not support this argument at all.

2.) you have zero idea what Dubas is or isn't shopping. At all, whatsoever.

3.) why would they shop the death out of a guy you're on record saying is basically useless to the point they'd have to retain salary to get rid of him. Can't have it both ways.
- joel878

1) The stats absolutely support me. How does he do without AM/JT?

2) Its been reported that the Leafs arent getting the return they're hoping for with Nylander because teams know he cant play defence at all.

3) Dubas is trying to offload him before his value plummets even more. Willys brutal defensive play has embarrassed Dubas. He went to bat for Marner at the end of the year when people were piling on, but not a peep about Willy.

1) The stats absolutely support me. How does he do without AM/JT?

2) Its been reported that the Leafs arent getting the return they're hoping for with Nylander because teams know he cant play defence at all.

3) Dubas is trying to offload him before his value plummets even more. Willys brutal defensive play has embarrassed Dubas. He went to bat for Marner at the end of the year when people were piling on, but not a peep about Willy.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Im interested in seeing these reports? Literally every single analyst I have listened to or read articles by from Friedman to Mirtle and everyone in between has said they do not believe the leafs would trade Nylander let alone are shopping him.

He doesn't exactly play without Matthews or Tavares much so I don't know how you expect that case to be made, nor do I really care to engage in it as its clear you're more than happy to present your opinions as fact and die on that hill.

Ditto on #3, you just aren't capable to understand that because you think that's the case it does not make it so. Honestly, I'm seeing some of the craziest takes on here on the daily.. Yours are for sure some of the most out there and come with the benefit of you thinking they're the most right. That's got to count for something given some of the posters you're up against here...

this house is not for sale

The Blues are offering that, or better, already (around $8 for7 or 8 years.....that $7.7 number is apparently wrong). When you factor in a much higher tax rate in Toronto, there is no chance that deal works. If he is going to Toronto, it will almost have to be something north of $9 mil/yr.
- GSimp1

Fair point..

But the blues won't pay up front, which seems to be the report..... lesfs can do it, is the home town team, he can make a difference and be a leader on a still young team,
Taxes can be a bit more of a hit, but endorsements will also he considerably higher...

In truth, just like Tavares... its up to what Alex wants.

I think leafs end up with Alex or Parayko, one way or the other.

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is god really dead
- dmnted

Pretty sure I’m not.

Pretty sure I’m not.
- Steven_Seagull

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Im interested in seeing these reports? Literally every single analyst I have listened to or read articles by from Friedman to Mirtle and everyone in between has said they do not believe the leafs would trade Nylander let alone are shopping him.

He doesn't exactly play without Matthews or Tavares much so I don't know how you expect that case to be made, nor do I really care to engage in it as its clear you're more than happy to present your opinions as fact and die on that hill.

Ditto on #3, you just aren't capable to understand that because you think that's the case it does not make it so. Honestly, I'm seeing some of the craziest takes on here on the daily.. Yours are for sure some of the most out there and come with the benefit of you thinking they're the most right. That's got to count for something given some of the posters you're up against here...
- joel878

He can’t play defence, at all.

This isn’t conjecture.

He can’t play defence, at all.

This isn’t conjecture.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

It is an opinion, he has excellent hockey skills, excellent skater, very good shot, very effective passer, he can be taught how to play defense - up to the coaches and systems in place to teach and instill defensive responsibilities.

It is an opinion, he has excellent hockey skills, excellent skater, very good shot, very effective passer, he can be taught how to play defense - up to the coaches and systems in place to teach and instill defensive responsibilities.
- winsix

Willie is def. skilled, but he is also a fly-by machine, a one hand on the stick guy. He's rarely, if ever, the first guy into a corner - just like Kessel, he does the slow- down- and -let -the -defenceman- in -first routine, he is quite inconsistent with his play and effort, seems either engaged, or completely unaware that a hockey game is happening, and his playoff performances have been on the whole unimpressive. Some of this is fixable, some of it may result from a lack of intangible in his makeup. As you say winsix, he is a skilled player for sure, but you have to consider the flaws too.

To me, though, it comes down to this: who do you want more on your team: Willie or AP? Easy choice for me.
He has great hair, though.

It's a good situation for the Leafs, imo. Recoup some assets for Willie, and sign AP as UFA. And, I'd be looking to move Jonsson as well.

For me, AP addresses two huge needs.
1. An all situation stud anchor d guy, especially on the right side.
2. To me the Leafs are still lacking character and leadership. By all accounts he has both. And he's a winner. The Leafs group still seems a bit rudderless, leadership-wise.

Fair point..

But the blues won't pay up front, which seems to be the report..... lesfs can do it, is the home town team, he can make a difference and be a leader on a still young team,
Taxes can be a bit more of a hit, but endorsements will also he considerably higher...

In truth, just like Tavares... its up to what Alex wants.

I think leafs end up with Alex or Parayko, one way or the other.
- aries1976

He’s not looking for upfront payment, he’s looking for NMC and performance bonuses in his last two years which would give him cash payouts if he was bought out. This is from Athletic.

If the leafs sign AP are they cup favourites again?

Willie is def. skilled, but he is also a fly-by machine, a one hand on the stick guy. He's rarely, if ever, the first guy into a corner - just like Kessel, he does the slow- down- and -let -the -defenceman- in -first routine, he is quite inconsistent with his play and effort, seems either engaged, or completely unaware that a hockey game is happening, and his playoff performances have been on the whole unimpressive. Some of this is fixable, some of it may result from a lack of intangible in his makeup. As you say winsix, he is a skilled player for sure, but you have to consider the flaws too.

To me, though, it comes down to this: who do you want more on your team: Willie or AP? Easy choice for me.
He has great hair, though.

It's a good situation for the Leafs, imo. Recoup some assets for Willie, and sign AP as UFA. And, I'd be looking to move Jonsson as well.

For me, AP addresses two huge needs.
1. An all situation stud anchor d guy, especially on the right side.
2. To me the Leafs are still lacking character and leadership. By all accounts he has both. And he's a winner. The Leafs group still seems a bit rudderless, leadership-wise.
- fifty__missions

Ok, now compare $6.9M in Willie salary vs $6.9 in Johnson and Kerfoot. That’s the debate, not Willie vs Pietrangelo.

Ok, now compare $6.9M in Willie salary vs $6.9 in Johnson and Kerfoot. That’s the debate, not Willie vs Pietrangelo.
- Canada Cup

I'd move Nylander and Jonsson.

1.) the stats do not support this argument at all.

2.) you have zero idea what Dubas is or isn't shopping. At all, whatsoever.

3.) why would they shop the death out of a guy you're on record saying is basically useless to the point they'd have to retain salary to get rid of him. Can't have it both ways.
- joel878

AA's shtick is that Willy has so little value that teams don't even want him, which is obviously nonsensical gibberish. It's tradition at this point, like 'any Habs rumours' or '6-1 Leafs', it's not an actual take.

If the leafs sign AP are they cup favourites again?
- sensmelon

They were contenders for the last couple years and still are. If the Sens still suck, does anybody care?

Ok, now compare $6.9M in Willie salary vs $6.9 in Johnson and Kerfoot. That’s the debate, not Willie vs Pietrangelo.
- Canada Cup

Only issue I'd have with trading Kerfoot is our bottom 6 would be on Oilers level of interchangable parts / junk. 3c options then being Engvall, Spezza, or league minimum player off the scrap heap. None of which are good.

Ok, now compare $6.9M in Willie salary vs $6.9 in Johnson and Kerfoot. That’s the debate, not Willie vs Pietrangelo.
- Canada Cup

Yep. Willy was on pace for 37 goals. Legit shot at 40. At 6.9 mil if they can find another way to improve the D without moving Bill they will.

I'd move Nylander and Jonsson.
- fifty__missions

If you are bringing in more than AP, than something like that might be necessary. If not, you really have to pick the holes you are creating and those you think you can fill. Plugging 3rd and 4th line spots can be done. Moving Willie means losing having two top scoring lines.

It might come down to whether and how quickly they think Robertson could fill Willie’s spot at the top.

Only issue I'd have with trading Kerfoot is our bottom 6 would be on Oilers level of interchangable parts / junk. 3c options then being Engvall, Spezza, or league minimum player off the scrap heap. None of which are good.
- leafsfann

Something has to give. Oilers didn’t have an AP.

If you are bringing in more than AP, than something like that might be necessary. If not, you really have to pick the holes you are creating and those you think you can fill. Plugging 3rd and 4th line spots can be done. Moving Willie means losing having two top scoring lines.

It might come down to whether and how quickly they think Robertson could fill Willie’s spot at the top.
- Canada Cup

That's where I'd put Robertson - with Matthews and Hyman.

Robertson in the OHL reminded me a little of a Marc Savard type player. Not too impressive physically or overly flashy, but hockey sense coming out the ying-yang. Let's hope it translates at the next level.

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