Interesting tweet

Karlsson (30)
Doughty (30)
Subban (31)
OEL (28)
All signed to brutal long term deals according to most.

But leafs think signing Pietrangelo (31) in January will save the day and be worth it?

Id hate to move out a young star for an older star.
Seems very 90s leafy.
I still would prefer two top D i think.
Really on the fence here

Hyman-AM-Nylander
Robertson-JT-Marner

That is a top 6 I can see being around for the next 4-5 years.
- Santo_44

except it wouldnt
Hyman will want a fair size raise
Not sure theyd have the cap.
Dunno, maybe

Interesting tweet

Karlsson (30)
Doughty (30)
Subban (31)
OEL (28)
All signed to brutal long term deals according to most.

But leafs think signing Pietrangelo (31) in January will save the day and be worth it?

Id hate to move out a young star for an older star.
Seems very 90s leafy.
I still would prefer two top D i think.
Really on the fence here
- Fakepartofme

Karlsonn had a brutal unlucky injury

The Doughty haters are stupid

Subban? two more years.

OEL haters are dumb as well

except it wouldnt
Hyman will want a fair size raise
Not sure theyd have the cap.
Dunno, maybe
- Fakepartofme

Hyman has a contract this year.

I repeat. A year.

Also if VAN signs Markstrom Leafs should be all over Demko.

Would allow them to fit Petro for this year at least.

Interesting tweet

Karlsson (30)
Doughty (30)
Subban (31)
OEL (28)
All signed to brutal long term deals according to most.

But leafs think signing Pietrangelo (31) in January will save the day and be worth it?

Id hate to move out a young star for an older star.
Seems very 90s leafy.
I still would prefer two top D i think.
Really on the fence here
- Fakepartofme

Some of those situations scare me. But then on the other hand you have top Dmen on the back half of their career like a Chara, Weber, Pronger

Yeah I like it. The big x factor is can Robertson turn into the real deal at the NHL level because if he can that is house money. That would be huge if he turns out to be a massive steal.
- Zezel

I’m too lazy to work it out so maybe there’s no way to avoid trading Willie but I would sure try to avoid it and move out as many $3 and $2M as possible.

It’s a lot harder to find talent. We’ve seen that for too many years. The operating assumption is also that FAs are going to be squeezed at the bottom. That’s where the deals are going to be found. There are lots of guys and I’d rather plug Barabanov or somebody in at the bottom than lose a top end skill guy. (Cue AA)

Some of those situations scare me. But then on the other hand you have top Dmen on the back half of their career like a Chara, Weber, Pronger
- Zezel

fans get a little too obsessed with age.

Elite D are elite well into their 30s.

Karlsonn had a major injury. If you know the player is committed to hockey and staying in shape there's no reason to believe that Petro will fall off.

Unless he's another Byfuglien.

Interesting tweet

Karlsson (30)
Doughty (30)
Subban (31)
OEL (28)
All signed to brutal long term deals according to most.

But leafs think signing Pietrangelo (31) in January will save the day and be worth it?

Id hate to move out a young star for an older star.
Seems very 90s leafy.
I still would prefer two top D i think.
Really on the fence here
- Fakepartofme

Or is he a Chara. Bruins rumoured to be after him to make him their next Chara BTW

I’m too lazy to work it out so maybe there’s no way to avoid trading Willie but I would sure try to avoid it and move out as many $3 and $2M as possible.

It’s a lot harder to find talent. We’ve seen that for too many years. The operating assumption is also that FAs are going to be squeezed at the bottom. That’s where the deals are going to be found. There are lots of guys and I’d rather plug Barabanov or somebody in at the bottom than lose a top end skill guy. (Cue AA)
- Canada Cup

Agreed.

You try having a big 5 before you trade one for less than market value to keep depth.

You can always trade for depth.

I’m too lazy to work it out so maybe there’s no way to avoid trading Willie but I would sure try to avoid it and move out as many $3 and $2M as possible.

It’s a lot harder to find talent. We’ve seen that for too many years. The operating assumption is also that FAs are going to be squeezed at the bottom. That’s where the deals are going to be found. There are lots of guys and I’d rather plug Barabanov or somebody in at the bottom than lose a top end skill guy. (Cue AA)
- Canada Cup

Yep. The idea to trade your skill players first and figure it out later seems dubious to me. It's how Edmonton has no Taylor Hall or Eberle and still haven't figured it out.

Jesus (frank)ing christ. Why do I try? The most annoying people on this planet are stupid people who have convinced themselves that they are smart.

You are either purposefully or ignorantly missing Canada Cups entire point, as well as purposefully or ignorantly failing to understand my attempt to explain it to your dumb ass.
- Leafs43

He’s a Trump warrior who is looking for an opportunity to make me look dumb, something I am capable of doing on my own.

fans get a little too obsessed with age.

Elite D are elite well into their 30s.

Karlsonn had a major injury. If you know the player is committed to hockey and staying in shape there's no reason to believe that Petro will fall off.

Unless he's another Byfuglien.
- Santo_44

The thing about his contract demand is that it seems like he’s looking for complete control over how and when he ends his career. I would guess that a big signing bonus and cash payout at the end of his contract makes a buyout unattractive and that if he signs for 7 years, he plays for 7 years if he wants.

He is 30? Leafs are a team full of 20-25 year olds.

It seems pretty obvious that they need another Muzzin type in that room. Another core guy that can help this team mature.

The thing about his contract demand is that it seems like he’s looking for complete control over how and when he ends his career. I would guess that a big signing bonus and cash payout at the end of his contract makes a buyout unattractive and that if he signs for 7 years, he plays for 7 years if he wants.
- Canada Cup

The Leafs have a team full of youth and right now we aren't really worried about regression.

The Bruins have all these aging players and have had these aging players for years now.

The Leafs can afford to have a few core 30 year olds. In fact I would welcome that with open arms.

Its not a gamble when you have the pieces Nylander/Marner to recoup those assets and then some.

The idea that they'd have to scramble and trade a Nylander to fit Petro is stupid. Sure if there is a good deal then great.

If not? Trade the lesser replaceable players and fit Petro in. Then you have a full year to work on a deal if you so please.

The gamble would be trading Nylander or Marner for less then market value to sign Petro.
- Santo_44

Just so we're all working off the same reference point.

If AP was signed at 9 Milly and Mikheyev at 1.75 they'd have about 2.9 million to sign a 3rd line centre and 3 4th liners. And that assumes Dermott is not re-signed.

She's tight!

Just so we're all working off the same reference point.

If AP was signed at 9 Milly and Mikheyev at 1.75 they'd have about 2.9 million to sign a 3rd line centre and 3 4th liners. And that assumes Dermott is not re-signed.

She's tight!
- The Law

Yup it would be tight.

Hard to turn down a core of Matthews, JT, Marner, Nylander, Muzzin, Petro.

3 of those players have no trade protection and heavy front loaded deals. You horde talent when you can and figure out the depth later.

Would have a year to figure things out. I am sure they could find a good deal with Willy/Marner if they needed to having a year to do it.

Not super confident they would get fair value with 2 weeks.

The Leafs have a team full of youth and right now we aren't really worried about regression.

The Bruins have all these aging players and have had these aging players for years now.

The Leafs can afford to have a few core 30 year olds. In fact I would welcome that with open arms.
- Santo_44

Agreed.

Hyman has a contract this year.

I repeat. A year.
- Santo_44

So blow their load for one year.
Not sure that good cap management

The Leafs have a team full of youth and right now we aren't really worried about regression.

The Bruins have all these aging players and have had these aging players for years now.

The Leafs can afford to have a few core 30 year olds. In fact I would welcome that with open arms.
- Santo_44

The question isn’t welcoming a core 30 year old. The question is being unable to trade or buy him out at the end. It’s just another risk factor that was too much for STL

So blow their load for one year.
Not sure that good cap management
- Fakepartofme

Never said that.

Keep your valuable players.

Unload the replaceable ones.

Fit Petro and take the year to evaluate what you can do. You can always replace depth but you cant go out an get a Petro easily.

1) The stats absolutely support me. How does he do without AM/JT?

2) Its been reported that the Leafs arent getting the return they're hoping for with Nylander because teams know he cant play defence at all.

3) Dubas is trying to offload him before his value plummets even more. Willys brutal defensive play has embarrassed Dubas. He went to bat for Marner at the end of the year when people were piling on, but not a peep about Willy.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Even if your points about playing defense are true it doesn't mean he has no value or it's plummeting. There's lots of wingers like him and not as many locked up with term/cost certainty and available. He absolutely has value and not just a "3rd round pick and a D level prospect" value. Real value.

So blow their load for one year.
Not sure that good cap management
- Fakepartofme

I was thinking while walking the dog that maybe Robertson becomes the new Hyman. I know, I know, too early, etc but he does seem like a bit of a bumper and forechecker except he can score. I have to admit that the visual of a Hyman with hands did frighten me.

The question isn’t welcoming a core 30 year old. The question is being unable to trade or buy him out at the end. It’s just another risk factor that was too much for STL
- Canada Cup

When your core is all 20-25 except for Muzzin I think you can afford to take some risk.
Especially for a top 5 D in the NHL.

Thats also 6+years away. JTs contract will be done. Severely underestimating the power of having a top 5 D in the NHL for 6 years.

Just so we're all working off the same reference point.

If AP was signed at 9 Milly and Mikheyev at 1.75 they'd have about 2.9 million to sign a 3rd line centre and 3 4th liners. And that assumes Dermott is not re-signed.

She's tight!
- The Law

It's doable considering they had like a 2 million dollar fourth line last year. Problem is the 3rd line center with zero cap space...so I don't know how to fix that.

My concern with AP is that he isn't a guy you can rely on to put up points like Rielly so I'm uncertain if we would ever truly see the value of 9 million a year outside of winning the cup.