I don’t see JR getting another skilled D man. You should be worried about Bogo aka Guddy 2.0
- Feds91Stammer

I posted that yesterday actually. I fully expect Bogo, Ceci and if he comes back, Byfuglien to be main targets. Bogo for sure since it was rumored that JR likes him.

Fast and Rust are two players cut from the same cloth IMO. Fast is just a bit more physical and defensively aware with Rust having more of a scoring touch. I'm hoping Vic is correct that Horn is moved and they split the money on the 3rd line.

One team I think would be a good fit for Horn are the Panthers. I think he brings something they lack and well, they have very few players signed as of right now. I would try and grab Acciari from there.

Shattenkirk would be the biggest mistake IMO. Shattenkirk gets walked on a regular basis and would look no different than Schultz when paired with JJ.
- Rinosaur

I actually don’t think Hornqvist is moved. I actually think it’s like 90% he stays which is my concern in acquiring Fast. What do you do with all those right wings?

I actually don’t think Hornqvist is moved. I actually think it’s like 90% he stays which is my concern in acquiring Fast. What do you do with all those right wings?
- Victoro311

I've said numerous times I don't believe Hornqvist is moved until the expansion draft and they pull a Fleury with him. However, if he is moved I think JR will misuse those funds.

What do you do with all those right wings? Play them on their off-wing as per protocol then trade them immediately for a less appropriate player with worse cap-hit because they didn't work out.

I mean, they could move Tanev to the 3rd LW as I've harped on about lately or they actually move Hornqvist to the 4th. Regardless there would be some sort of misuse going on.

I've said numerous times I don't believe Hornqvist is moved until the expansion draft and they pull a Fleury with him. However, if he is moved I think JR will misuse those funds.

What do you do with all those right wings? Play them on their off-wing as per protocol then trade them immediately for a less appropriate player because they didn't work out.

I mean, they could move Tanev to the 3rd LW as I've harped on about lately or they actually move Hornqvist to the 4th. Regardless there would be some sort of misuse going on.
- Rinosaur

Of course you want to convert a right winger to the left.

Of course you want to convert a right winger to the left.
- Feds91Stammer

Tanev is a natural lefty and I'm pretty sure he spent most of his time on the left side in WPG.

Dylan Demelo would be a player I'd target for 3rd pairing RD. I'm not sure how much he'd cost, but I wouldn't spent more than $1.5M on any player getting slotted next to JJ. IMO anything over $1.5M is just pissing away money.

Tanev is a natural lefty and I'm pretty sure he spent most of his time on the left side in WPG.
- Rinosaur

I think you missed the joke there.

I think you missed the joke there.
- Feds91Stammer

Ahhh, yes. At least you have some new material.

Fast and Rust are two players cut from the same cloth IMO. Fast is just a bit more physical and defensively aware with Rust having more of a scoring touch. I'm hoping Vic is correct that Horn is moved and they split the money on the 3rd line.

One team I think would be a good fit for Horn are the Panthers. I think he brings something they lack and well, they have very few players signed as of right now. I would try and grab Acciari from there.

Shattenkirk would be the biggest mistake IMO. Shattenkirk gets walked on a regular basis and would look no different than Schultz when paired with JJ.
- Rinosaur

Acciari could be a good ZAR replacement, but I dunno... I still think if we traded Horny, we need another net-front heart and soul guy...or at least some bottom 6 scoring punch.

Acciari could be a good ZAR replacement, but I dunno... I still think if we traded Horny, we need another net-front heart and soul guy...or at least some bottom 6 scoring punch.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If Hornqvist was actually moved I think Acciari would be a good cheap 3rd RW so that they could really spend on a very good 3rd LW. I doubt he hits 20 goals again, but I like the game he brings, especially for the price and room to spend it gives the Pens.

I actually don’t think Hornqvist is moved. I actually think it’s like 90% he stays which is my concern in acquiring Fast. What do you do with all those right wings?
- Victoro311

The NTC really makes it unlikely. I only see it happening if Horny is unhappy with his role playing bottom 6 / in question for top PP. If that's the case he could conceivably let GMJR know what teams he's willing to go to and a deal could get started from there.

But generally I agree. Just keep him. I wouldn't trade him as a cap dump. Only for decent value in return... and that seems unlikely.

The NTC really makes it unlikely. I only see it happening if Horny is unhappy with his role playing bottom 6 / in question for top PP. If that's the case he could conceivably let GMJR know what teams he's willing to go to and a deal could get started from there.

But generally I agree. Just keep him. I wouldn't trade him as a cap dump. Only for decent value in return... and that seems unlikely.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If it meant getting someone like Toffoli or Hoffman I'd be all-in for trading him for a cap dump.

I feel the reverse about Shattenkirk that it was the dumpster fire of the Rangers that brought him down combined with the expectations of being a #1 defenseman which he's not. You may recall last summer the move I wanted the most was replacing Schultz with him. I'd love him for the 3rd pair after how well he played with Sergachev, but I can't see him in our price range.
- Tojo.

Shatty is good. Schultz is not.

Shatty is good. Schultz is not.
- j.boyd919

Shatty is better offensively than Schultz but in their own end there isn't much of a difference IMO. Shatty gets walked more times than dog.

Say what you want about Trump but hes the only person standing in the way of the US turning into Venezuela. The left is more radical than ever. Whoever said Harris is a moderate is a joke. She was graded as the most far left person that disgrace of a party has to offer. This country is 10000% ruined if that clownshow gets power here. Biden is an empty suit being used by terrorists to ruin this great country

Say what you want about Trump but hes the only person standing in the way of the US turning into Venezuela. The left is more radical than ever. Whoever said Harris is a moderate is a joke. She was graded as the most far left person that disgrace of a party has to offer. This country is 10000% ruined if that clownshow gets power here. Biden is an empty suit being used by terrorists to ruin this great country
- TheKesselVessel

Seriously. Can we stop the politics? Pretty please, with a cherry on top? Nobody on here is changing anyone else's mind.

Shatty is good. Schultz is not.
- j.boyd919

Yeah I don’t see the two as comparable. Shattenkirk is by no means a two way guy but he’s good at getting the puck out of his own zone on an exit. Schultz is not. Schultz is moderately useful for zone entries but is really only an asset after you’ve already gained the zone. And from an IQ standpoint it’s no contest.

That said there’s no point to Shattenkirk if he’s just going to get put with Johnson.

Say what you want about Trump but hes the only person standing in the way of the US turning into Venezuela. The left is more radical than ever. Whoever said Harris is a moderate is a joke. She was graded as the most far left person that disgrace of a party has to offer. This country is 10000% ruined if that clownshow gets power here. Biden is an empty suit being used by terrorists to ruin this great country
- TheKesselVessel

Wasn’t going to touch any of this today but just wanted to say this post gave me a good laugh.

That said there’s no point to Shattenkirk if he’s just going to get put with Johnson.
- Victoro311

This is what I've been trying to state. Anyone other than someone on the level of Ruhwedel is basically wasted money. The highest I'd go is someone like TVR or Demelo if they came in between $1/$1.5M.

I believe none of the Pens' hockey writers have any clue what the Pens are going to do. Even when I think it was Yohe or Rossi wrote about which players are coming and going there was nothing he was sure of aside from the fact that Murray and one of McCann/Bjug is getting traded.

From Yohe:

Also, keep in mind that the Penguins are possibly going to make a trade or two that you might not be expecting. Sure, we know Murray will be on the move. But if the Penguins are going to make a move in free agency, Murray won’t be the only one to go.

I mean, pretty much anyone is a surprise at this point for one reason or another.

Would he sign Fast for $2.5M just to save $1M and move Rust for his RD? I think for the first time in a while these guys have no (frank)ing clue. All they know is Rutherford wants to get someone and clear money.

I believe none of the Pens' hockey writers have any clue what the Pens are going to do. Even when I think it was Yohe or Rossi wrote about which players are coming and going there was nothing he was sure of aside from the fact that Murray and one of McCann/Bjug is getting traded.

From Yohe:


I mean, pretty much anyone is a surprise at this point for one reason or another.

Would he sign Fast for $2.5M just to save $1M and move Rust for his RD? I think for the first time in a while these guys have no (frank)ing clue. All they know is Rutherford wants to get someone and clear money.
- Rinosaur

I think the only thing we can be sure of is that we’re going to get worse this offseason.

I think the only thing we can be sure of is that we’re going to get worse this offseason.
- Victoro311

Yup. I honestly think I'd rather see them stand pat. Keep Simon and Lafferty and not do a damn thing. That's how much I fear the move(s) he makes will be worse than keeping the same lineup.

Yup. I honestly think I'd rather see them stand pat. Keep Simon and Lafferty and not do a damn thing. That's how much I fear the move(s) he makes will be worse than keeping the same lineup.
- Rinosaur

Oh yeah man, the fear is real here for that.

Dylan Demelo would be a player I'd target for 3rd pairing RD. I'm not sure how much he'd cost, but I wouldn't spent more than $1.5M on any player getting slotted next to JJ. IMO anything over $1.5M is just pissing away money.
- Rinosaur

Demelo seems to come up every where as this buy low candidate, but I think he ends up being somewhat in demand and gets paid more than we'll offer for a team that wants a top 4 righty, say around 3M. He'd be worth it, but don't think we can or should make that deal.

I believe none of the Pens' hockey writers have any clue what the Pens are going to do. Even when I think it was Yohe or Rossi wrote about which players are coming and going there was nothing he was sure of aside from the fact that Murray and one of McCann/Bjug is getting traded.

From Yohe:


I mean, pretty much anyone is a surprise at this point for one reason or another.

Would he sign Fast for $2.5M just to save $1M and move Rust for his RD? I think for the first time in a while these guys have no (frank)ing clue. All they know is Rutherford wants to get someone and clear money.
- Rinosaur

I think the only things that are clear are GMJR wants to add a RD and he's going to trade someone to create space.

I don't even think McCann makes sense for a cap dump for a RD because they'd just have to replace him. They talk as if their top 6 forwards and top 4 defensemen are set.

That leaves JJ, Hornqvist, and Tanev IMO. I definitely don't think it's Tanev. Since a couple RWs are on Yohe's list I'm guessing Hornqvist if they can.