He'd be a nice pick-up.
- Tojo.

Yup and at a cheap price.

If the Penguins could move JJ but the cost was Jarry, should they do it? Would you? I don't think I would. As much as it pains me to watch JJ eat up minutes, i want to see Murray in a PENS jersey even less....
- Brayn

Jarry as the starting goalie and Johnson in the press box > Murray as the starting goalie and Johnson traded > Jarry as the starting goalie and Johnson playing

Sure I'd take the middle ground given that Johnson will never be scratched.

One of these guys costs around $1M

Jarry as the starting goalie and Johnson in the press box > Murray as the starting goalie and Johnson traded > Jarry as the starting goalie and Johnson playing

Sure I'd take the middle ground given that Johnson will never be scratched.
- Victoro311

What's scary is I think even if Rutherford found player that he had to have, he'd trade Pettersson before Johnson.

One of these guys costs around $1M
- Rinosaur

One of these guys is slightly better here while having much lesser quality linemates, is 6 years younger, 4 inches taller, 14 pounds heavier, faster and still a RFA when contract is up.

I do like Ennis though, always have, and would like him in bottom 6. Hell, he'd prob be good on McCann line.

One of these guys is slightly better here while having much lesser quality linemates, is 6 years younger, 4 inches taller, 14 pounds heavier, faster and still a RFA when contract is up.

I do like Ennis though, always have, and would like him in bottom 6. Hell, he'd prob be good on McCann line.
- MattStrat

I agree with this 100% although I know others would flip out because he's neither young, nor a speedster.



Ennis is not great in zone exists, but he excels at zone entries which is so key and so does McCann. Unfortunately Hornqvist is terrible at both which is why I'm not a huge fan of his. He disrupts the Pens transition game which is IMO why he never sticks with Sid or Geno. Once he's in the zone he's awesome, but he hampers getting in there.



Hornqvist is so bad at zone entries.

Jarry as the starting goalie and Johnson in the press box > Murray as the starting goalie and Johnson traded > Jarry as the starting goalie and Johnson playing

Sure I'd take the middle ground given that Johnson will never be scratched.
- Victoro311

Maybe I am just jaded. I feel like Jarry starting and JJ playing > Murray starting and both JJ and Jarry are gone.

Also, I am truly leery of the the workload after this upcoming season. I feel like there is going to be a ton of b2b's effectively forcing a pretty even split for goalies. But, I am not either of the two are really going to be good at 55+ games.

What do you guys think of Murray for Duclair straight up?

I agree with this 100% although I know others would flip out because he's neither young, nor a speedster.



Ennis is not great in zone exists, but he excels at zone entries which is so key and so does McCann. Unfortunately Hornqvist is terrible at both which is why I'm not a huge fan of his. He disrupts the Pens transition game which is IMO why he never sticks with Sid or Geno. Once he's in the zone he's awesome, but he hampers getting in there.



Hornqvist is so bad at zone entries.
- Rinosaur

Oh yeah haha, Hornys zone entries are an eye sore. They stick out really bad. For a long time now haha

Ennis kind of reminds me of an older Simon with a tiny bit better finishing ability now. He's definitely lost a step but he's still not that slow. He's pretty small though. I like his game, and wouldn't mind him being signed, but the more I've thought about it the more I'd like a bit more size on the wings then we've grown accustomed to the past 4 or 5 years. No reason if they're signing new players they can't aim a bit bigger with speed. They did get a bit bigger with speed on the right side with Kap. So that's a good start.

Oh yeah haha, Hornys zone entries are an eye sore. They stick out really bad. For a long time now haha

Ennis kind of reminds me of an older Simon with a tiny bit better finishing ability now. He's definitely lost a step but he's still not that slow. He's pretty small though. I like his game, and wouldn't mind him being signed, but the more I've thought about it the more I'd like a bit more size on the wings then we've grown accustomed to the past 4 or 5 years. No reason if they're signing new players they can't aim a bit bigger with speed. They did get a bit bigger with speed on the right side with Kap. So that's a good start.
- MattStrat

Yeah, Ennis doesn't fall into any specific mold, but he helps drive play and can put up points. For around $1M you're hard-set to find a better bargain that's not on an ELC. I'd take him over having Lafferty as a depth player even though I like Lafferty.

Oh yeah haha, Hornys zone entries are an eye sore. They stick out really bad. For a long time now haha

Ennis kind of reminds me of an older Simon with a tiny bit better finishing ability now. He's definitely lost a step but he's still not that slow. He's pretty small though. I like his game, and wouldn't mind him being signed, but the more I've thought about it the more I'd like a bit more size on the wings then we've grown accustomed to the past 4 or 5 years. No reason if they're signing new players they can't aim a bit bigger with speed. They did get a bit bigger with speed on the right side with Kap. So that's a good start.
- MattStrat

Valeri Nichushkin.

You keep trying to draw me into this one, but we're probably not going to agree.

It's not that I don't think Tanev can play the role, I agree he likely can although I'm not sure that adds enough offense. It admittedly would be fun to see Tanev and Hornqvist together.

I just think the role Tanev has now is more important and the Blueger line is a bigger priority for me even though I want to improve the other bottom 6 line. And while Blueger and ZAR had nice seasons, Tanev has now excelled in this role on 2 different teams playing 2 different positions so he has the best track record.
- Tojo.

Moving Tanev from the 4th line to the 3rd line would probably garner marginal results.

The case for Duclair...



Duclair isn't a particularly good player in his own end, but his transition game is on point and he can score. He may be a good player next to McCann.

Valeri Nichushkin.
- Victoro311

I would do Murray straight up for him.

If the Penguins could move JJ but the cost was Jarry, should they do it? Would you? I don't think I would. As much as it pains me to watch JJ eat up minutes, i want to see Murray in a PENS jersey even less....
- Brayn

Yup, I'd do it.

Valeri Nichushkin.
- Victoro311

I'd love him if they could get him, but feel like he's going to be outside their price range.

One of these guys costs around $1M
- Rinosaur

A couple hours ago, so did McCann. Ennis should be in line for a bump, though I'd guess closer to 2M than 3M.

If the Penguins could move JJ but the cost was Jarry, should they do it? Would you? I don't think I would. As much as it pains me to watch JJ eat up minutes, i want to see Murray in a PENS jersey even less....
- Brayn

Sure, I'd just go get another goalie or 2.

A couple hours ago, so did McCann. Ennis should be in line for a bump, though I'd guess closer to 2M than 3M.
- Tojo.

Even at $2M it would be a good get IMO, but obviously if the Pens can afford someone who's more in line with what they're trying to accomplish they should pursue them.

I'm a little fixated on Duclair right now and I think a Murray/Duclair swap would be something to shoot for. I imagine Duclair will come in somewhere between $2.5-$3M, but that's just a guess.

I'd love him if they could get him, but feel like he's going to be outside their price range.
- Tojo.

Cap hit or cost of acquisition? Murray for him seems pretty fair, it’s not like he’s a top six guy. Somewhat debatable if he’s middle six caliber versus bottom six.

Cap hit? Tricky, sure, but we’re also sending out more cap than it should take to resign him. Haven’t done the math on where we are now after the McCann deal and what we need to resign the rest of our RFAs. Is it just Simon now?

Cap hit or cost of acquisition? Murray for him seems pretty fair, it’s not like he’s a top six guy. Somewhat debatable if he’s middle six caliber versus bottom six.

Cap hit? Tricky, sure, but we’re also sending out more cap than it should take to resign him. Haven’t done the math on where we are now after the McCann deal and what we need to resign the rest of our RFAs. Is it just Simon now?
- Victoro311

Maybe I'm over-rating him, it just seems like Nichushkin got so much praise for his 2 way game that he'd be hard to pry away. I think they could fit him in the cap if they wanted and I'd like the fit.

Jarry would be the only big one. I'd be tempted to walk from Simon if he wanted much of a raise. Lafferty and Angelo but those should be near minimum if either make the team.

Even at $2M it would be a good get IMO, but obviously if the Pens can afford someone who's more in line with what they're trying to accomplish they should pursue them.

I'm a little fixated on Duclair right now and I think a Murray/Duclair swap would be something to shoot for. I imagine Duclair will come in somewhere between $2.5-$3M, but that's just a guess.
- Rinosaur

Oh yeah I think Ennis wouldn't be the top choice, but he'd be a good signing. I just think he's in line for a raise unless he gets caught in the flat cap. I think Edmonton wants to keep him.

Ottawa would have to really like Murray. Duclair just put up better numbers than McCann at a similar age so I think he has more value both in salary and as a trade asset than you're giving him.

Surprised for how much he's been discussed here thos hasn't been posted.

Dreger: Sources say contract talks between the St Louis Blues and Blues captain, Alex Pietrangelo have broken off. The team has advised Pietrangelo to pursue unrestricted free agency.

Maybe I'm over-rating him, it just seems like Nichushkin got so much praise for his 2 way game that he'd be hard to pry away. I think they could fit him in the cap if they wanted and I'd like the fit.

Jarry would be the only big one. I'd be tempted to walk from Simon if he wanted much of a raise. Lafferty and Angelo but those should be near minimum if either make the team.
- Tojo.

Let me posit this: how much is a youngish RFA with maybe some potential left in his development curve who just had his first good NHL season since his rookie season and was so bad the subsequent two that he had to go to the KHL worth? I’d say a second is a rich payment for that profile.

Now how much have we all assumed Murray is worth? A third? Maybe a third + or a second if we get lucky?

I don’t think the valuation is very far off. It just comes down to how much Sakic values Murray relative to other options.

Surprised for how much he's been discussed here thos hasn't been posted.

Dreger: Sources say contract talks between the St Louis Blues and Blues captain, Alex Pietrangelo have broken off. The team has advised Pietrangelo to pursue unrestricted free agency.
- Tojo.

Not sure that really relates to the pens. Is there any chance he is going to sign with the penguins? We'd have to move out a lot of salary and I don't see that happening.