Spoiler alert - Eichel is better with Reinhart in all areas
- sbroads24

we agree too much lately

Whatever he did it got him a bigger paycheck and a bigger market to work in
- GilPerreault11

absolutely...good for him...i have a dial that i can keep turned off, which i do when it comes to wgr most of the time...i've found that the audio vault is best as you can pick and choose and skip through what you'd rather not hear

I like Kessel and he has talent but he is lazy at times. If there's 4 games, he may show up for 2 out of the 4.

I see where you r coming from but how do analytics determine dangerous shots. From where they are shot from. Does it matter if the goalie is screened or it changes directions. Nope its only determined from where it comes from. If you,I and Jack all shoot from 5 feet away these are all dangerous shots but mine has to be swept to make it to the net.
I’m not a believer. Fake science.
- Camel

It isn't gospel that's for sure. There are improvements required no doubt.
That said, to discount the notion out of hand as irrelevant is probably as bad if not worse.

I like the work that Steve Valiquette and his company have done in this area that he has shared a number of times...one of which is that shots in tight especially coming off passes from the other side are higher percentage shots, shots from the point are generally useless, and skaters coming down the center are better off passing to the teammate on either side (goalies know players have been taught to shoot from that position and ridiculed / have had the pass coached out of them). The central theme from him is to get the goalie moving as a way of reducing his save percentage.

His work can be thought of as refinements to the High/Medium/Low Danger Shot metric.
"Red-hot High Danger Shots" perhaps.

I see where you r coming from but how do analytics determine dangerous shots. From where they are shot from. Does it matter if the goalie is screened or it changes directions. Nope its only determined from where it comes from. If you,I and Jack all shoot from 5 feet away these are all dangerous shots but mine has to be swept to make it to the net.
I’m not a believer. Fake science.
- Camel

The danger of a shot also factors in the shooter's ability and whether the shot was clear or there was a screen, as far as I know.

Even if it didn't, it's still far, far ahead of any other measure that was around before they began doing the calculations.

Fake science? Nonsense.

To say Eichel is better with Reinhart when we have not had a valid or better comparison is just a Buffalo homer fan opinion.

To also see the team's record during this era should not lead one to be complacent and satisfied.

Matthew Coller remains the worst current or former WGR employee ever
- sbroads24

did he get a job after espn canned him and the minny station laid him off?

I like Kessel and he has talent but he is lazy at times. If there's 4 games, he may show up for 2 out of the 4.
- SABRES 89

he'd fit right in with the sabres then

absolutely...good for him...i have a dial that i can keep turned off, which i do when it comes to wgr most of the time...i've found that the audio vault is best as you can pick and choose and skip through what you'd rather not hear
- Michael Pachla

the commercials are the best thing wgr has on the air during the week

absolutely...good for him...i have a dial that i can keep turned off, which i do when it comes to wgr most of the time...i've found that the audio vault is best as you can pick and choose and skip through what you'd rather not hear
- Michael Pachla

I never listen to WGR except maybe if a big event happens/trade or something. I just can't take all the crap.

To say Eichel is better with Reinhart when we have not had a valid or better comparison is just a Buffalo homer fan opinion.

To also see the team's record during this era should not lead one to be complacent and satisfied.
- GilPerreault11

My wish list for this offseason.

- Tyler Toffoli/Craig Smith in FA.

- Dealing Montour for a 3C

- Drafting one of Rossi/Raymond/Lundell/Holtz at 8.

- Moving Hutton and getting an adequate goaltender who can at the very least split 50/50 with Ullmark

Olofsson-Eichel-Toffoli/Smith
Skinner-Staal-Reinhart
Kahun- Trade/FA-Cozens

Depending on who we acquire/sign for that 3C that’s a playoff caliber forward lineup.

My wish list for this offseason.

- Tyler Toffoli/Craig Smith in FA.

- Dealing Montour for a 3C

- Drafting one of Rossi/Raymond/Lundell/Holtz at 8.

- Moving Hutton and getting an adequate goaltender who can at the very least split 50/50 with Ullmark

Olofsson-Eichel-Toffoli/Smith
Skinner-Staal-Reinhart
Kahun- Trade/FA-Cozens

Depending on who we acquire/sign for that 3C that’s a playoff caliber forward lineup.
- Pegullaville

I still like soderberg and or fast

esp for the pk

My wish list for this offseason.

- Tyler Toffoli/Craig Smith in FA.

- Dealing Montour for a 3C

- Drafting one of Rossi/Raymond/Lundell/Holtz at 8.

- Moving Hutton and getting an adequate goaltender who can at the very least split 50/50 with Ullmark

Olofsson-Eichel-Toffoli/Smith
Skinner-Staal-Reinhart
Kahun- Trade/FA-Cozens

Depending on who we acquire/sign for that 3C that’s a playoff caliber forward lineup.
- Pegullaville

Dvorak or Danault would sure fit in as the Center between Kahun and Cozens nicely with how solid they are defensively, in addition to being able to provide offense as well.

Dvorak or Danault would sure fit in as the Center between Kahun and Cozens nicely with how solid they are defensively, in addition to being able to provide offense as well.
- kingcong39

Danault would be perfect.

Danault would be perfect.
- Pegullaville

https://www.si.com/hockey...-would-be-a-grave-mistake


first paragraph


"If the rumors are true, Marc Bergevin could learn a lot from Jason Botterill right about now."

My wish list for this offseason.

- Tyler Toffoli/Craig Smith in FA.

- Dealing Montour for a 3C

- Drafting one of Rossi/Raymond/Lundell/Holtz at 8.

- Moving Hutton and getting an adequate goaltender who can at the very least split 50/50 with Ullmark

Olofsson-Eichel-Toffoli/Smith
Skinner-Staal-Reinhart
Kahun- Trade/FA-Cozens



Depending on who we acquire/sign for that 3C that’s a playoff caliber forward lineup.
- Pegullaville

I agree with this...throw in a LD

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/no-not-danault-why-trading-him-would-be-a-grave-mistake


first paragraph


"If the rumors are true, Marc Bergevin could learn a lot from Jason Botterill right about now."
- navinrjohnson

Only way that they could justify keeping Domi over Danault is that Danault wants out after this year as he is an impending UFA.

Other then that it makes no sense.

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/no-not-danault-why-trading-him-would-be-a-grave-mistake


first paragraph


"If the rumors are true, Marc Bergevin could learn a lot from Jason Botterill right about now."
- navinrjohnson

If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning

The danger of a shot also factors in the shooter's ability and whether the shot was clear or there was a screen, as far as I know.

Even if it didn't, it's still far, far ahead of any other measure that was around before they began doing the calculations.

Fake science? Nonsense.
- kingcong39

Ok not fake but definitely wouldn’t say it’s anything more than another tool. Some goalies or players may have good stats for 20 nhl games but that doesn’t necessarily mean over 82 games the same would be the case. One may say this is expected or assumed production but that would be a 50/50 guess at best. When I see stats are the only tool used to make an argument or point that leads me personally to believe the big picture is missed.

he takes less then 1 face off per game

last 2 seasons keller 91 points


reinhart 115 points


keller is great

reinhart stinks and is a bust

the unknown is not always better then the known
- navinrjohnson

Keller is Being suffocated in Arizona his first season he did his thing And slowly when he adapted to their system look what happened

I agree with this...throw in a LD
- Leninthebuff

Love to see

Montour
for
Big Z Zadorov

Risto +?
for
Ehlers

https://www.si.com/hockey/news/no-not-danault-why-trading-him-would-be-a-grave-mistake


first paragraph


"If the rumors are true, Marc Bergevin could learn a lot from Jason Botterill right about now."
- navinrjohnson

I was with Larkin until this The return for Danault in a trade would surely be significant, just as it was for O’Reilly,. Quantity doesn't make the return massive. It was a first, 2nd and the tall guy.
Those two stumble bums were nothing more then cap relief to make the trade work and save the Pegulas 7.5M. I still think Bots was forced into that trade as the clock ticked away to midnight.

The other part is Danault does not have the offensive upside of ROR. So I give a 2020 2nd and a protected 2021 1st. No way I part with 8OA

I'd like to see eichel's fancy stats with and w/o reinhart over the last 3 years
- navinrjohnson

It does not matter jack doesn't needs sam hes elite

I like Kessel and he has talent but he is lazy at times. If there's 4 games, he may show up for 2 out of the 4.
- SABRES 89

But buffalo does have the best hotdogs

I was with Larkin until this The return for Danault in a trade would surely be significant, just as it was for O’Reilly,. Quantity doesn't make the return massive. It was a first, 2nd and the tall guy.
Those two stumble bums were nothing more then cap relief to make the trade work and save the Pegulas 7.5M. I still think Bots was forced into that trade as the clock ticked away to midnight.
- Leninthebuff

Of course he was.

Just like Adams will be forced to keep Risto because the owner and coach like him.

If Ristolainen is in the lineup opening night, after Adams words of taking a numbers based approach, we know he has almost 0 power here.